Biddybot wrote: Makes you wonder if anything Sentinel said before he turned was sincerely meant or whether it wasn't all just carefully crafted platitudes from the very beginning.
Biddybot wrote:The phrase ‘that thing’ in reference to Sentinel didn’t bug me as much since its use there seemed deliberately (and understandably) demeaning. It’s something I’ve heard applied to our own worst mass murderers and depraved thrill killers often enough—“monster”, “sub-human”, “thing”—in an attempt to divorce them from humanity, so I suppose you could argue that in a weird way Sentinel was being granted equal status with our own species’ worst at that particular moment!
And I really do wish that Lennox had said that “these people run on energon”.
Biddybot wrote:SKYWARPED 128: Not off-topic at all! Anti-Transformers sentiment amongst humans is what this threads about, after all.
I too noted that Lennox referred to the Autobots as ‘things’ when speaking to Mearing during that one scene and found it not so much jarring myself as just kind of sad. Sad, because I quite like Lennox as a character—I wish they’d done more with him—and because I believe that it reveals that, despite all his experience with the Autobots, he just doesn’t have the imagination and/or knowledge to overcome his subconscious human egocentricity and fully accept that intelligent beings could evolve and exist within radically different bodily designs than his own. I suspect that most humans would be like that if Cybertronians really did live amongst us…not intending to be demeaning with their word choices, perhaps, but still… It’s hard enough for many of us to accept strangers even if they’re just other people made of flesh and blood, let alone if they were people made of alien amorphous alloys.
The phrase ‘that thing’ in reference to Sentinel didn’t bug me as much since its use there seemed deliberately (and understandably) demeaning. It’s something I’ve heard applied to our own worst mass murderers and depraved thrill killers often enough—“monster”, “sub-human”, “thing”—in an attempt to divorce them from humanity, so I suppose you could argue that in a weird way Sentinel was being granted equal status with our own species’ worst at that particular moment!
Like you, though, I would have preferred hearing Sentinel referred to as “that bastard” or, better yet, “that backstabbing bastard”. And I really do wish that Lennox had said that “these people run on energon”.
Biddybot wrote:ANYHOO, back on topic… Considering how many poor human bystanders must’ve been smashed, crushed, maimed, and otherwise killed and injured by assorted Transformer activities over the course of the three movies, any guess on the number of new human support groups and hate sites and lawsuits pending which are going to spring up after the end of DOTM? Seriously, there have got to be tons of grieving family members and loved ones and mangled survivors out there by now. Yes, some of it could even be somewhat justified—sorry, your husband was collateral damage incurred during some necessary fighting to protect the freedom of our planet—but there was plenty of questionable destruction going on even before the Transformers’ existence on Earth became common knowledge. Will the human survivors of such escapades and sympathetic supporters form MART chapters—Mothers Against Rampaging Transformers? Do people picket against the Autobots? Write nasty letters to their governments? Demand retribution? I mean, I love fantasizing about having Autobots running about our planet right now for real. I might not feel quite so warm and cuddly towards them if one of them accidently smushed my kid while punching out a Decepticon.
Biddybot wrote:Another thing to think about and something I need help with… I know some of you fans have come up with quasi-plausible timelines linking the three movies together, so please give this a shot: IF Megatron’s and Sentinel’s scheme had gone exactly as planned, IF the Ark had gotten away cleanly and Megatron had been able to sneak off whenever and rendezvoused with Sentinel wherever it was they were planning to meet, what time era then would it have been when they arrived on Earth? This goes back to RhA’s point that Sentinel might’ve been pissed just by watching his former Autobot brothers and humans amiably interact. It makes me wonder about what level of humanity Sentinel and Megatron were originally expecting to enslave, about whether they were counting on us having evolved into nothing beyond a fearful, easily exploited, grunting tribal society and whether it mightn’t have been something of a shock to Sentinel’s senses to ‘wake up’ and discover that—gads!—humans had actually advanced far beyond expectations and developed various technologies to boot, some of them capable of harming Transformers! In short, were the slaves they needed only going to be required to move the Cybertronian equivalent of pyramid rocks or would a slave force of lesser—or greater—intellect do? This is one of those ‘what if?’ scenarios I’m not real sure of, and thinking about any sort of timelines to do with Transformers just makes my head hurt.
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