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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Dagon » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:48 pm

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I'm not the biggest fan of Superman, but I do think he's always got enough pull to make a movie work. The problem is, at least as I see it, how do you present a believable enemy to a guy who's basically unbeatable?
As for the Justice League, I've heard they can't use Super/Batman in it becuase of the film rights being scattered among different film studios. What I've heard on the JL movie is that they'd basically try to make it with second tier characters, and I'm not sure how well that will play Peoria. The good thing about team movies is that there's always a bunch of people to choose from, but without the main ones, how good will it really be?
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Shadowman » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:57 pm

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Dagon wrote:I'm not the biggest fan of Superman, but I do think he's always got enough pull to make a movie work. The problem is, at least as I see it, how do you present a believable enemy to a guy who's basically unbeatable?


Easily: He's not unbeatable. Just very, very difficult to beat. Darkseid, Mongul, and Doomsday have all handled him in a straight-up fight. All you really need is to give his opponents a subtle boost in power and we got a villain. Hell, give Luthor his suit (He IS basically Evil Tony Stark) and even he could believably hold his own against Superman.

Dagon wrote:As for the Justice League, I've heard they can't use Super/Batman in it becuase of the film rights being scattered among different film studios. What I've heard on the JL movie is that they'd basically try to make it with second tier characters, and I'm not sure how well that will play Peoria. The good thing about team movies is that there's always a bunch of people to choose from, but without the main ones, how good will it really be?


Well, it's the same studio, for both series. Even so, Warner Bros. owns the rights. (Not to mention DC itself)
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby njb902 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:37 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Dagon wrote:I'm not the biggest fan of Superman, but I do think he's always got enough pull to make a movie work. The problem is, at least as I see it, how do you present a believable enemy to a guy who's basically unbeatable?


Easily: He's not unbeatable. Just very, very difficult to beat. Darkseid, Mongul, and Doomsday have all handled him in a straight-up fight. All you really need is to give his opponents a subtle boost in power and we got a villain. Hell, give Luthor his suit (He IS basically Evil Tony Stark) and even he could believably hold his own against Superman.

Dagon wrote:As for the Justice League, I've heard they can't use Super/Batman in it becuase of the film rights being scattered among different film studios. What I've heard on the JL movie is that they'd basically try to make it with second tier characters, and I'm not sure how well that will play Peoria. The good thing about team movies is that there's always a bunch of people to choose from, but without the main ones, how good will it really be?


Well, it's the same studio, for both series. Even so, Warner Bros. owns the rights. (Not to mention DC itself)


while I would rather see doomsday, darkseid would be awesome as well.

what about bizzaro?
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby OptiMagnus » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:23 pm

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Well, the teaser trailer has been released. Of course, it doesn't show a lot, but it got me hyped up.

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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Va'al » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:48 am

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OptiMagnus wrote:Well, the teaser trailer has been released. Of course, it doesn't show a lot, but it got me hyped up.

Edit: I tried embedding the video but I'll admit I have no idea how to embed a YouTube video here.


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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Burn » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:18 am

Geez ... for over half that trailer I was thinking "Oh hey, an Aquaman movie!"
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Roadbuster » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:58 am

Burn wrote:Geez ... for over half that trailer I was thinking "Oh hey, an Aquaman movie!"


I was actually thinking it was a Deadliest Catch Movie, when I saw Clark crab fishing.
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Va'al » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:05 am

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Is what I thought during the trailer. Serious amounts of grey in there.
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Wigglez » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:06 am

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:APPLAUSE: That was a good ass trailer. Dude, I am stoked with a capital STOKED! But I agree with everyone here. We just need good villains for Superman so that it shows that Superman is limited in some ways. Yeah Lex Luthor could throw in some kryptonite or use a red sunlight machine. And there could also be Darkseid or Zod, someone to match his strength. But how about Felix Faust or Circe to show that Supermans third weekness (but they'll probably save them for a Wonder Woman movie or something). Because not everybody knows about magic, or even the red sunlight. And does anybody really see how he could beat someone who could just throw spells at him left and right? That's why I think it would be interesting.
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Duke of Luns » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:35 am

Can't really gather much from the trailer, but it does seem to address the question of "Who are you, Superman?", so that's a good start.
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:42 am

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I liked Superman Returns well enough, but so far this looks better. Maybe Costner's voice-over had a good effect. I am curious more than anything. I wonder if Michael Sheen will bring the same douchebaggery to Zod that Terence Stamp did. And Russell Crowe as Jor-El? :-?

Also, no disrespect to the awesomeness that is Gene Hackman's acting, but I liked Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor. Even if the movie was mediocre and every other actor sucked. Just think, had Bryan Singer not left X3 for it, how much better that movie would have been. Not saying it was bad, except maybe for Juggernaut, which wasn't really Vinnie Jones' fault. Then again, he's my favorite X villain, so I was expecting near perfection.
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby OptiMagnus » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:42 pm

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Some points I'd like to address from other posts:

- Snyder has said this Superman would be more vulnerable and have altered powers, so he wouldn't appear overpowered. I'm not sure what I think about that right now, but it can only make the movie more interesting. The Marc Webb Spider-Man seemed more vulnerable than the Sam Raimi incarnation, and I liked the new one better.
- This movie is intended to be darker, more serious, and less campy than other versions. It might take on a similar vibe to Batman Begins, which has been said by those who saw the longer trailer at SDCC. From what I see when people write about Superman on the Internet, a lot think he can't be taken seriously. I've heard the word "pansy" being thrown around to describe him. So, here's your darker, more serious Superman.
- Having said the above, I can safely assume General Zod will be a very brutal, formidable villain, and having said that, he should have extreme douchebaggery.
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby TulioDude » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:00 pm

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Huge Superman fan,and i think this movie will be a great to show more of him for the people who doesnt know himm very well.
Did anyone else got a Batman Begins vibe with Clark walking on the road with simple clothes and the beard unshaved?
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby OptiMagnus » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:09 pm

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TulioDude wrote:Huge Superman fan,and i think this movie will be a great to show more of him for the people who doesnt know himm very well.
Did anyone else got a Batman Begins vibe with Clark walking on the road with simple clothes and the beard unshaved?

Yes. A lot of people are saying this, and I think it's intended. Superman Returns was generally a failure, but the Batman trilogy was a huge success. Why not take the same route with Superman that Batman took? Superman used to be largely popular, but he's been stabbed with Kryptonite and kicked off a ledge with the Batman trilogy and Marvel movies, as well as the flop mentioned above. I can't imagine this movie could be bad after a sad decade for Superman. I'm beginning to think kids don't know who he is anymore, so I hope this will be a good revival like Iron Man was. Heck, when I was in grade school I was the only kid who thought Superman was cool.
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby TulioDude » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:22 pm

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Do you guys think the movie will be called Superman Man of steel or Man of steel?
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Drift082111 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:45 pm

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I definitely believe Superman can still soar. I am a big fan of Superman and he is my favorite amongst all of the superheroes we all know and love. I believe that DC comics is a spectrum of characters which reside inside the polarities of Batman and Superman. Superman being on the more 'brighter' end of the spectrum and Batman of course on the more darker end. I don't think Superman should be presented in a darker view point because it just doesn't suit him. If anyone has ever read the short series entitled 'Public Enemies', which is a Batman/Superman team-up story, you can get a glimpse of how the two heroes lives are so different. In short, Batman lives a life 'envied' by no one whereas Superman is seen as a 'champion'. I know that Batman underwent a change when Frank Miller reinvigorated the character with more of an edge, but somehow, giving Superman an edge just doesn't work for me. He needs a moment of change but I just don't know what it is, or maybe to contradict myself, he shouldn't change at all. It makes me stop and think for a moment about a world, that doesn't expect the best from it's heroes, fiction or not.

And yes, I def take Supes way too seriously. ;)
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Va'al » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:40 am

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TulioDude wrote:Do you guys think the movie will be called Superman Man of steel or Man of steel?


I believe it's just Man of Steel.
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Man Of Steel

Postby BeastProwl » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:42 pm

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I'm sure weve all seen the trailers and such, so what do you think? Does it look good? Who's the bad guy? Zod? Darksied? Trailer below:
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Re: Man Of Steel

Postby Burn » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:47 pm

People really need to learn to use the search function ...

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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Wigglez » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:57 am

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I am excited for this movie! The writers already said that it's going to be Zod in the movie.
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Re: Man Of Steel

Postby Shadowman » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:07 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:I'm sure weve all seen the trailers and such, so what do you think? Does it look good? Who's the bad guy? Zod? Darksied? Trailer below:


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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby njb902 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:43 am

What about non and faora/zaora/ursa? I know faora is in the movie, ill just assume non is, so zod isn't the only bad guy.
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Re: "Man of Steel": Can Superman Still Soar?

Postby Wigglez » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:20 pm

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I want to see Darkseid in one of the sequals. And for the JLA movie, Brainiac could try an invasion on Earth or something.
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