NightFall wrote:MYoung23 wrote:....With IDW they seem to be laying the roots of a class struggle and rebellion that had some merit but eventually gets currupted into something perverse and evil. I forgot who said it but someone said that most people become evil by trying to do something they believe is right and good.
Yes, QFT.
Milanion wrote:NightFall wrote:MYoung23 wrote:....With IDW they seem to be laying the roots of a class struggle and rebellion that had some merit but eventually gets currupted into something perverse and evil. I forgot who said it but someone said that most people become evil by trying to do something they believe is right and good.
Yes, QFT.
I agree, but there is something I don't like about it. It doesn't fit, and I'm not sure why. What "class" is there?
Milanion wrote:Aren't they robots built for specific jobs? Isn't ruling a matter of function in their case? Prowl was built with a sophisticated logic center, so he is involved in higher functions than say Longhaul; which is why Longhaul works in construction and Prowl in intelligence. And even then, they are robots who don't need homes, cars, etc... so what's the difference what job they have - they don't need to provide for themselves? They do the job they were built for.
Just seems they are plugging in a Greco-Roman storyline. That makes more sense with Star Wars, but seems out of place here (to me anyway).
Uncrazzimatic wrote:Milanion wrote:Aren't they robots built for specific jobs? Isn't ruling a matter of function in their case? Prowl was built with a sophisticated logic center, so he is involved in higher functions than say Longhaul; which is why Longhaul works in construction and Prowl in intelligence. And even then, they are robots who don't need homes, cars, etc... so what's the difference what job they have - they don't need to provide for themselves? They do the job they were built for.
Just seems they are plugging in a Greco-Roman storyline. That makes more sense with Star Wars, but seems out of place here (to me anyway).
No offence but I think you've missed a huge point of TFs, they're not just robots, they're sentient machines. They DO have to provide for themselves, they do have homes and they do have real beliefes and emotions.
Milanion wrote:
How often have you seen one at their home, or seen them buying something besides fuel?
They are sentient robots, but they are still robots. To have a class struggle over a race that doesn't exhibit many signs of class doesn't make sense to me. The fight for fuel has been about basic survival (in robot terms) not a class war, which would be more about attrition. Without attrition and wealth, where does "class" come into play?
Put otherwise, the only difference between robots is function, which is not the same as class. Function became irrelavant when fuel went short, hence the war. Fuel is the only thing that ever seemed to matter.
Uncrazzimatic wrote:Milanion wrote:Aren't they robots built for specific jobs? Isn't ruling a matter of function in their case? Prowl was built with a sophisticated logic center, so he is involved in higher functions than say Longhaul; which is why Longhaul works in construction and Prowl in intelligence. And even then, they are robots who don't need homes, cars, etc... so what's the difference what job they have - they don't need to provide for themselves? They do the job they were built for.
Just seems they are plugging in a Greco-Roman storyline. That makes more sense with Star Wars, but seems out of place here (to me anyway).
No offence but I think you've missed a huge point of TFs, they're not just robots, they're sentient machines. They DO have to provide for themselves, they do have homes and they do have real beliefes and emotions.
Parkmania wrote:I personally love that all the different storys that IDW are putting out seem to be linking together - the one-shots, the infiltration/stormbringer/escalation all seem to jive with each other, and I can see big things in the future.
MYoung23 wrote:I think the issue shows that the Transformers had some sort of a democratic/socialist government. A 'senate' implies leaders that are elected while the mines were clearly government controlled. This is backed by how the one robot says that they will re-assign the workers to new jobs and homes. The fact that Sentinal Prime was the leader but still had to answer to the 'Senate' in some way reminds me of a Greek city state.
It also shows to me that just like in the civilizations of today when you have such a large and layered government a bureaucracy develops and with that the possibility or inevitability of corruption.
In regards to robot designs I think it was more about class than ethnicity. The mine robots looked liked they did because they were designed to work in the mines. If you look at what the Autobots said about the mine workers their comments denote a snobbery based on class rather than any ethnic prejudices.
With IDW they seem to be laying the roots of a class struggle and rebellion that had some merit but eventually gets currupted into something perverse and evil. I forgot who said it but someone said that most people become evil by trying to do something they believe is right and good.
Dick wrote:Am I the only one not liking the whole, evilest-of-the-evil being just a stressed out labourer falling in with the wrong crowd?
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