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-Kanrabat- wrote:The one that DID find out was that computer program Doctor Strange created. It went rogue, found a body, and proceed to hunt down Batman. By simple deductions, the robot foud Batman at Bruce's manor. The robot eventually self-destructed or something after Batman made some mind-games with it. The other is the Riddler, who came really close by playing "Akinator" with a captured Batman. Both are episodes from "The Batman".

I am not talking about The Batman. I am never talking about The Batman. By the way, I don't know of a continuity where Strange didn't learn Batman's identity. And Riddler learned Batman's identity in the comics, too. Batman convinced him to keep quiet because it would lead Ra's al Ghul to learn Riddler had been using his Lazarus Pits without permission.

But I'm talking about an instance where a villain learned it and specifically ignored it because they didn't believe it.

-Kanrabat- wrote:In the other movies, Scarecrow, Joker, and Two Face survived the more realistic transition.

Remind me again of The Joker's origins in DKR compared to his comic book origins ...

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:In the other movies, Scarecrow, Joker, and Two Face survived the more realistic transition.

Remind me again of The Joker's origins in DKR compared to his comic book origins ...

If I remember correctly, in the comic, Jocker DID NOT have an origin. The only origin I think was explained was only influenced by the 1989 Tim Burton movie. But heh, I'm not a reader of Batman comics. Trying to catch up with almost 80 years of comics is just insane.

From Wikipedia:
Though many have been related, a definitive back-story has never been established for the Joker in the comics, and his real name has never been confirmed. He himself is confused as to what actually happened; as he says in The Killing Joke, "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice! Ha ha ha!"

In The Dark Knight, Joker was perfect as a realistic Joker and as expected, his origins remain a total mystery. I like it that way.

Yeah, see, I actually checked Wikipedia BEFORE asking, and rather than quoting a small section, you need to take into account the WHOLE article.

You know ... the article which states that while his origin is not definitive, and he's had a couple, the prevailing origin story is falling into a vat of chemicals.

Now obviously that's not what happened in DKRreturns. DKRreturns, he was just a plain psychotic human. Just like Catwoman is a plain human, who's got some wicked safe cracking skills. THAT is the basis of her character, the cat obsession thing is a side story, so DKRises is a very accurate on-character portrayal for the tone of the movies they were going for.

I see what you mean.

Still, the DK Joker was instantly recognisable. You just look at him and it SCREAM "Joker".
I look at that Catwoman and... I just see a random girl.

Joker had that charisma and that foreboding aura around him that made him memorable. I personally find that Catwoman just "meh". I already forgot her face. Maybe if they had cast another actress to portray her.... at least it was not Kristen Stewart.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I look at that Catwoman and... I just see a random girl.

Because that's what she is. She's an ordinary human who's skillset is being able to break into things. She's no meta-human, but at the same time she's one of the most interesting of DC's characters.

If anything, DKRises is actually a very good representation of her modern character. A burglar that treads the line between moral and immoral.

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I look at that Catwoman and... I just see a random girl.

Because that's what she is. She's an ordinary human who's skillset is being able to break into things. She's no meta-human, but at the same time she's one of the most interesting of DC's characters.

If anything, DKRises is actually a very good representation of her modern character. A burglar that treads the line between moral and immoral.

She was also not showing off as much skin as her suit can allow, while making gratuitous cat puns, so I'd say this is a better incarnation of the character.

I see your point. Kinda logical for a pro cat-burglar to look and sound ordinary. This help sneaking around and rob around unsuspected.

Now, for the next trilogy, I want a mix of the Nolan and Burton's movie style. I want a nice equelibrium between the gothic and kinda cartoony of Burton mixed with the realism of Nolan.
So that the next trilogy will be "comic" enough without being over the top. Kinda like the recent two Batman games actually.

I want to see Clayface, Solomon Grundy, Scarface, the Riddler, the Penguin, even Killer Croc. Oh yeah, and bring me some Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn.

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I just noticed something about this movie. I hope this doesn't really spoil anything, but here it is; how the hell does Bruce Wayne get from a freaking desert in India to Gotham ON FOOT no transportation, get new clothes, while the bridges are blown up, all within a couple of hours!? How? How is this possible? STUPID STUPID MOVIE!!! I didn't even notice this before! How could we have missed this!?

But I have devised a theory to explain this: CLAYFACE. That is all.

SlyTF1 wrote:I just noticed something about this movie. I hope this doesn't really spoil anything, but here it is; how the hell does Bruce Wayne get from a freaking desert in India to Gotham ON FOOT no transportation, get new clothes, while the bridges are blown up, all within a couple of hours!? How? How is this possible? STUPID STUPID MOVIE!!! I didn't even notice this before! How could we have missed this!?

But I have devised a theory to explain this: CLAYFACE. That is all.

Who said it was a couple hours? It's six months between the destruction of the stadium and the finale. he could have hitched a ride on, I dunno, a smuggler plane, like he did in the last movie. Also, who said it was India? They never really say, do they? Looks like it could be Spain, or Africa, or South America, or the Middle East. (Deshi Basara, the chant used in the Pit as well as the chant from Bane's theme, is Arabic Moroccan, in fact) Even getting past the bridges isn't that big of a deal; he's Batman, he has total mastery of stealth and infiltration, he can get past a simple military roadblock.

Basically, there is no plot hole there, just you making up details or forgetting you're talking about Batman.

And Clayface doesn't make any sense as a theory. What, did Bruce pay money he doesn't have to a villain who doesn't exist in this continuity (And who hates him in every other continuity) to impersonate and fight his battles for him, while he chills out in another country knowing that he's completely failed at saving Gotham to the point that he has to bribe a supervillain to do it for him?