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Well, there is not much for me to say, other than how much I prefer Prime accepting Meg's truce than rejecting it.

HALLELUJAH!!! That picture of Sentinel killing Ironhidealso somewhat lowered my expectations of the movie. (And my surprise.)Then again Transformers (2007) was the ONLY time I didn't get spoiled beforehand for a TF movie.

How about they just spare us all the pain and skip making the whole film? I'd rather read a poopy story in comic book form then waste another 2 hours watching Bay's TF-garbage.

AutoBorst wrote:How about they just spare us all the pain and skip making the whole film? I'd rather read a poopy story in comic book form then waste another 2 hours watching Bay's TF-garbage.

Movie making is big bucks. Doesn't matter if you're a fan of Bay's Transformers or not: people who want to see big 's will pay for it.

AutoBorst wrote:How about they just spare us all the pain and skip making the whole film? I'd rather read a poopy story in comic book form then waste another 2 hours watching Bay's TF-garbage.

Did someone force you to watch Bay's TF films?

AutoBorst wrote:How about they just spare us all the pain and skip making the whole film? I'd rather read a poopy story in comic book form then waste another 2 hours watching Bay's TF-garbage.

No-one's gonna force you to watch it. You can skip it. As for myself, all I can say is that when it comes out, I'll race to the cinema. No matter how bad it might be.

Director Michael Bay's official facebook page was just updated with his previously released response in regards to the TF4 script leak. The comment itself isn't new, but it came with a new TF4 movie poster. As you can see in the image mirrored below the poster features Optimus Prime in the background with a group of onlookers in the foreground. Whether this image was just thrown together to accompany the facebook update, or it actually factors into the plot of TF4 is of course unknown.

Some Internet sites reported that some document recovery guy has found a legitimate 120 page script of Transformers 4. I can absolutely 100 percent say this is completely false. The only two people in the world that have our unfinished script are Kruger and myself. Also we are only up to page 70 in our T4 script. Maybe this guy has a cartoon or something else – but definitely not our movie!

Michael bay

Looks kinda cool. Hopefully the toys will be better than DOTM.

Mindmaster wrote:Looks kinda cool. Hopefully the toys will be better than DOTM.

this. i could care less about the plot. i want the toys if they are better.

Run Optimus Prime! They're Walkers!!!

Seibertron wrote:Run Optimus Prime! They're Walkers!!!

Walking Dead reference ftw!

Well, I was expecting a new design for Optimus... I guess he looks a little different... Nemesis?

Meh...when I heard "reboot" I kinda hoped it would include not having the Transformers be metal alien monsters with weird faces.

ViperEye82 wrote:Meh...when I heard "reboot" I kinda hoped it would include not having the Transformers be metal alien monsters with weird faces.

Not saying I disagree about the faces, but technically they only look "weird" and "monster-like" to us becuase they are aliens. What's natural to them may look foreign and abnormal to us, and vice versa. These faces are just more "different" than the usual "metal Earth human-like faces" we're so accustomed to seeing.

Yes, I understand. They're also robots. Would it be so far fetched for them to look more like robots and not phallic-y monsters that drool (for some reason)?

ViperEye82 wrote:Yes, I understand. They're also robots. Would it be so far fetched for them to look more like robots and not phallic-y monsters that drool (for some reason)?

And, again, they're "alien" robots. We Earthlings have our visions of what robots tends to look like, so it's likely that those of other planets have their own visualization for robotic design.

Why must something not originally from the Planet Earth resemble a design that is easily recognized as originating from the Planet Earth?

I mean, realistically speaking, extraterrestrial lifeforms originating from locations far off away from the Earth wouldn't be surprising to appear in forms beyond our typical comprehension and comfort zones of how aliens should look.

And these movies try to go for such an approach. Yet, there are still very obvious design cues that still stem from Earthly designs due to the natural limitations of the human imagination when trying to draw away from the familiar and into the unknown.

Sabrblade wrote:

ViperEye82 wrote:Yes, I understand. They're also robots. Would it be so far fetched for them to look more like robots and not phallic-y monsters that drool (for some reason)?

And, again, they're "alien" robots. We Earthlings have our visions of what robots tends to look like, so it's likely that those of other planets have their own visualization for robotic design.

Why must something not originally from the Planet Earth resemble a design that is easily recognized as originating from the Planet Earth?

I mean, realistically speaking, extraterrestrial lifeforms originating from locations far off away from the Earth wouldn't be surprising to appear in forms beyond our typical comprehension and comfort zones of how aliens should look.

And these movies try to go for such an approach. Yet, there are still very obvious design cues that still stem from Earthly designs due to the natural limitations of the human imagination when trying to draw away from the familiar and into the unknown.

And I'm saying they're Transformers. If I want an outside of the box ET film, I'll watch Prometheus again (but I won't). Transformers should look like transformers, tmnt should look like turtles, thundercats should look...well you get it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying fans might have enjoyed the characters more if they were recognizable as robots, not monsters.

haha wooow that looks legitimately frightening, it looks like optimus is about to eat all those humans

Sabrblade wrote:And, again, they're "alien" robots. We Earthlings have our visions of what robots tends to look like, so it's likely that those of other planets have their own visualization for robotic design.

Why must something not originally from the Planet Earth resemble a design that is easily recognized as originating from the Planet Earth?

I mean, realistically speaking, extraterrestrial lifeforms originating from locations far off away from the Earth wouldn't be surprising to appear in forms beyond our typical comprehension and comfort zones of how aliens should look.

And these movies try to go for such an approach. Yet, there are still very obvious design cues that still stem from Earthly designs due to the natural limitations of the human imagination when trying to draw away from the familiar and into the unknown.

>> Limited imagination

>> Macross and a whole ton of mecha have limited imagination.

Giant robots that strain your eyes as they fold away into a million cgi effects making no logical sense. I mean this is a new low for being a Bay apologist. Bay did not shy away from anthropomorphization when he gave Devastator balls, Bumblebee peeing, or made Jetfire fart. I guess those scenes were due to his limited imagination. (see what I did there)

I am a fan of classic mech design. Anywhere from UC Gundam, Macross, Transformers, and so on. This whole post is disses to every single giant robot or scifi series that has ever been made. I mean Star Trek had countless humanoid alien species.

I really do hope Pacific Rim smashes Transformers 4 at the box office. Like we need this again. We don't. We also get that Americans are rejecting the designs as DotM did not sell very well. It was a novel idea having your insides become your outsides for a Transformer at the time. Now, it is just grating.

ViperEye82 wrote:And I'm saying they're Transformers. If I want an outside of the box ET film, I'll watch Prometheus again (but I won't). Transformers should look like transformers, tmnt should look like turtles, thundercats should look...well you get it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying fans might have enjoyed the characters more if they were recognizable as robots, not monsters.

Thing is, the Transformers are aliens. always have been since day 1. The latter two examples are supposed to look like things from Earth (turtles and cats). The TFs come from Cybertron, so if the Cybertronian look ain't nothing like the Earth look, so be it.

This kind of thing works in live action form since a look more like the blocky G1 look or any other non-Movieverse seires look would make them look more like giant toy robots, or even Megazords (mostly referring to the singular unit, non-combining ones), rather than technological lifeforms.

It's kinda like how a real life human looks far more detailed and alive than a cartoon character design run through the most advanced CG render to make it look realistically three-dimensional with still having that smooth, undetailed cartoony look. Think like in those live action Looney Tunes movies in which the characters look really there, but don't look "real" themeselves, if you get my drift.

Now, I will agree that the movie designs do look a bit overdetailed with too many panels and wires and such, though a more compromised design aesthetic that might work in live action while being more easy on the eyes would be the video game designs from WFC/FOC. Those look reasitica enough without being too jarring, and enough like the typicl Transformers designs without looking too much like giant-sized children's play things.

Janus Prime wrote:Well, I was expecting a new design for Optimus... I guess he looks a little different... Nemesis?

I kinda hope that is the case, considering how eager Optimus was in killing his foes, especially his mentor Sentinel in DOTM. He should really fall into a state of depression and ends up going crazy

Then Rodimus will kill him and be the new Leader of the Autobots, shattering childrens' heart again since 1984.

Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.

Alien Robots done right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhTUh7d8Ft0

ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.

And not have the wrecking balls and farting, you are going too far ViperEye. This is high grade artistic vision here, not your kiddie Transformers.

burning_sirius wrote:>> Limited imagination

>> Macross and a whole ton of mecha have limited imagination.

Giant robots that strain your eyes as they fold away into a million cgi effects making no logical sense. I mean this is a new low for being a Bay apologist.

Um, what? You do realize it wasn't Bay who made these designs, right? Bay just directed them and gave his two cents, it was the art development team who created them and such.

burning_sirius wrote:Bay did not shy away from anthropomorphization when he gave Devastator balls,

Again, it wasn't Bay who drew these designs. and you ought to know very well that the wrecking balls are not in the same category as what I've referring to here. I'm taking about the overall figure, not some stupidly minute deatil that was likely thrown in after the fact just to make a bad joke.

burning_sirius wrote:Bumblebee peeing, or made Jetfire fart. I guess those scenes were due to his limited imagination. (see what I did there)

Those are designs, how? Those are actions/body functions, not physical body appearances. Sheesh.

burning_sirius wrote:I am a fan of classic mech design. Anywhere from UC Gundam, Macross, Transformers, and so on. This whole post is disses to every single giant robot or scifi series that has ever been made. I mean Star Trek had countless humanoid alien species.

And none of those examples, save for the Transformers, fall into any of what I was getting at with the movie designs. You're just looking for an excuse for some random Bay bashing whne Bay wasn't even a factor in this alien robot design discussion.

burning_sirius wrote:I really do hope Pacific Rim smashes Transformers 4 at the box office. Like we need this again. We don't. We also get that Americans are rejecting the designs as DotM did not sell very well. It was a novel idea having your insides become your outsides for a Transformer at the time. Now, it is just grating.

DOTM didn't sell well for a number of reasons, but mostly because most the return film characters had mostly the same designs they've already had (which kids already bought in the previous movie toylines and so didn't feel compelled to buy something very similar to what they already had), and becuase retailers overstocked the toys to an ungodly degree that they're still sitting on the shelves almost 1 1/2 years after they first arrived. Not to mention the lousy MechTech gimmick that only seemed half-decent for any figure above deluxe class. And all the excess Robo Power stuff no one bought since were for an audience too young to even be interested in the films and their characters. And, to top it all off, all the insane price hikes retailers kept pushing with the economy getting worse and worse. Oy. DOTM's toyline was a flop, yes, but not specifically for the design aesthetic of the characters (otherwise Movie 1 and ROTF's toylines wouldn't have done so well, and ROTF had an awesome toyline ).

And, the more successful the films are, the more money Hasbro earns, the more Generations toys they can give us.