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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Janus Prime » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:01 pm

Well, I was expecting a new design for Optimus... I guess he looks a little different... Nemesis?
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby PaxCybertron82 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:10 pm

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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:25 pm

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ViperEye82 wrote:Meh...when I heard "reboot" I kinda hoped it would include not having the Transformers be metal alien monsters with weird faces.
Not saying I disagree about the faces, but technically they only look "weird" and "monster-like" to us becuase they are aliens. What's natural to them may look foreign and abnormal to us, and vice versa. These faces are just more "different" than the usual "metal Earth human-like faces" we're so accustomed to seeing.
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby PaxCybertron82 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:32 pm

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Yes, I understand. They're also robots. Would it be so far fetched for them to look more like robots and not phallic-y monsters that drool (for some reason)?
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:45 pm

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ViperEye82 wrote:Yes, I understand. They're also robots. Would it be so far fetched for them to look more like robots and not phallic-y monsters that drool (for some reason)?
And, again, they're "alien" robots. We Earthlings have our visions of what robots tends to look like, so it's likely that those of other planets have their own visualization for robotic design.

Why must something not originally from the Planet Earth resemble a design that is easily recognized as originating from the Planet Earth? ;)

I mean, realistically speaking, extraterrestrial lifeforms originating from locations far off away from the Earth wouldn't be surprising to appear in forms beyond our typical comprehension and comfort zones of how aliens should look. :-B

And these movies try to go for such an approach. Yet, there are still very obvious design cues that still stem from Earthly designs due to the natural limitations of the human imagination when trying to draw away from the familiar and into the unknown. ;)
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby PaxCybertron82 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:53 pm

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ViperEye82 wrote:Yes, I understand. They're also robots. Would it be so far fetched for them to look more like robots and not phallic-y monsters that drool (for some reason)?
And, again, they're "alien" robots. We Earthlings have our visions of what robots tends to look like, so it's likely that those of other planets have their own visualization for robotic design.

Why must something not originally from the Planet Earth resemble a design that is easily recognized as originating from the Planet Earth? ;)

I mean, realistically speaking, extraterrestrial lifeforms originating from locations far off away from the Earth wouldn't be surprising to appear in forms beyond our typical comprehension and comfort zones of how aliens should look. :-B

And these movies try to go for such an approach. Yet, there are still very obvious design cues that still stem from Earthly designs due to the natural limitations of the human imagination when trying to draw away from the familiar and into the unknown. ;)


And I'm saying they're Transformers. If I want an outside of the box ET film, I'll watch Prometheus again (but I won't). Transformers should look like transformers, tmnt should look like turtles, thundercats should look...well you get it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying fans might have enjoyed the characters more if they were recognizable as robots, not monsters.
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby burning_sirius » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:01 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And, again, they're "alien" robots. We Earthlings have our visions of what robots tends to look like, so it's likely that those of other planets have their own visualization for robotic design.

Why must something not originally from the Planet Earth resemble a design that is easily recognized as originating from the Planet Earth? ;)

I mean, realistically speaking, extraterrestrial lifeforms originating from locations far off away from the Earth wouldn't be surprising to appear in forms beyond our typical comprehension and comfort zones of how aliens should look. :-B

And these movies try to go for such an approach. Yet, there are still very obvious design cues that still stem from Earthly designs due to the natural limitations of the human imagination when trying to draw away from the familiar and into the unknown. ;)


>> Limited imagination

>> Macross and a whole ton of mecha have limited imagination.

Giant robots that strain your eyes as they fold away into a million cgi effects making no logical sense. I mean this is a new low for being a Bay apologist. Bay did not shy away from anthropomorphization when he gave Devastator balls, Bumblebee peeing, or made Jetfire fart. I guess those scenes were due to his limited imagination. (see what I did there)

I am a fan of classic mech design. Anywhere from UC Gundam, Macross, Transformers, and so on. This whole post is disses to every single giant robot or scifi series that has ever been made. I mean Star Trek had countless humanoid alien species.

I really do hope Pacific Rim smashes Transformers 4 at the box office. Like we need this again. We don't. We also get that Americans are rejecting the designs as DotM did not sell very well. It was a novel idea having your insides become your outsides for a Transformer at the time. Now, it is just grating.
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:11 pm

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ViperEye82 wrote:And I'm saying they're Transformers. If I want an outside of the box ET film, I'll watch Prometheus again (but I won't). Transformers should look like transformers, tmnt should look like turtles, thundercats should look...well you get it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying fans might have enjoyed the characters more if they were recognizable as robots, not monsters.
Thing is, the Transformers are aliens. always have been since day 1. The latter two examples are supposed to look like things from Earth (turtles and cats). The TFs come from Cybertron, so if the Cybertronian look ain't nothing like the Earth look, so be it.

This kind of thing works in live action form since a look more like the blocky G1 look or any other non-Movieverse seires look would make them look more like giant toy robots, or even Megazords (mostly referring to the singular unit, non-combining ones), rather than technological lifeforms.

It's kinda like how a real life human looks far more detailed and alive than a cartoon character design run through the most advanced CG render to make it look realistically three-dimensional with still having that smooth, undetailed cartoony look. Think like in those live action Looney Tunes movies in which the characters look really there, but don't look "real" themeselves, if you get my drift.

Now, I will agree that the movie designs do look a bit overdetailed with too many panels and wires and such, though a more compromised design aesthetic that might work in live action while being more easy on the eyes would be the video game designs from WFC/FOC. Those look reasitica enough without being too jarring, and enough like the typicl Transformers designs without looking too much like giant-sized children's play things. ;)
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby guarayakha » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:13 pm

Janus Prime wrote:Well, I was expecting a new design for Optimus... I guess he looks a little different... Nemesis?


I kinda hope that is the case, considering how eager Optimus was in killing his foes, especially his mentor Sentinel in DOTM. He should really fall into a state of depression and ends up going crazy 8-}

Then Rodimus will kill him and be the new Leader of the Autobots, shattering childrens' heart again since 1984. :michaelbay:
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby PaxCybertron82 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:17 pm

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Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby burning_sirius » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:17 pm

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ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.


And not have the wrecking balls and farting, you are going too far ViperEye. This is high grade artistic vision here, not your kiddie Transformers.
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:30 pm

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burning_sirius wrote:>> Limited imagination

>> Macross and a whole ton of mecha have limited imagination.

Giant robots that strain your eyes as they fold away into a million cgi effects making no logical sense. I mean this is a new low for being a Bay apologist.
Um, what? You do realize it wasn't Bay who made these designs, right? Bay just directed them and gave his two cents, it was the art development team who created them and such. :roll:

burning_sirius wrote:Bay did not shy away from anthropomorphization when he gave Devastator balls,
Again, it wasn't Bay who drew these designs. and you ought to know very well that the wrecking balls are not in the same category as what I've referring to here. I'm taking about the overall figure, not some stupidly minute deatil that was likely thrown in after the fact just to make a bad joke. >:oP

burning_sirius wrote:Bumblebee peeing, or made Jetfire fart. I guess those scenes were due to his limited imagination. (see what I did there)
Those are designs, how? Those are actions/body functions, not physical body appearances. Sheesh.

burning_sirius wrote:I am a fan of classic mech design. Anywhere from UC Gundam, Macross, Transformers, and so on. This whole post is disses to every single giant robot or scifi series that has ever been made. I mean Star Trek had countless humanoid alien species.
And none of those examples, save for the Transformers, fall into any of what I was getting at with the movie designs. You're just looking for an excuse for some random Bay bashing whne Bay wasn't even a factor in this alien robot design discussion.

burning_sirius wrote:I really do hope Pacific Rim smashes Transformers 4 at the box office. Like we need this again. We don't. We also get that Americans are rejecting the designs as DotM did not sell very well. It was a novel idea having your insides become your outsides for a Transformer at the time. Now, it is just grating.
DOTM didn't sell well for a number of reasons, but mostly because most the return film characters had mostly the same designs they've already had (which kids already bought in the previous movie toylines and so didn't feel compelled to buy something very similar to what they already had), and becuase retailers overstocked the toys to an ungodly degree that they're still sitting on the shelves almost 1 1/2 years after they first arrived. Not to mention the lousy MechTech gimmick that only seemed half-decent for any figure above deluxe class. And all the excess Robo Power stuff no one bought since were for an audience too young to even be interested in the films and their characters. And, to top it all off, all the insane price hikes retailers kept pushing with the economy getting worse and worse. Oy. DOTM's toyline was a flop, yes, but not specifically for the design aesthetic of the characters (otherwise Movie 1 and ROTF's toylines wouldn't have done so well, and ROTF had an awesome toyline 8) ;)^ ).

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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:32 pm

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ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.
Whoa! :shock: Great minds think alike, man. :lol: (See the final paragraph of my last response given to ya.) ;)
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:38 pm

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burning_sirius wrote:Alien Robots done right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhTUh7d8Ft0

As awesome as GaoGaiGar is, there's no denying that they still look like giant toy robots, which is what these films don't want to do. They want them to look like alien robot lifeforms, not giant action figures. A toy-like look drives away casual adult moviegoers as they don't want to watch something that says "children's movie". i'd rather this weren't the case, but sadly it is.

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ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.


And not have the wrecking balls and farting, you are going too far ViperEye. This is high grade artistic vision here, not your kiddie Transformers.
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Megatronsdemise666 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:50 pm

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I wonder if there just trying to keep the new design secret or there not finished.

If optimus looks the same, would it be possible we might get a re-release of jetwing, or a release of a striker optimus here?
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this. i could care less about the plot. i want the toys if they are better.

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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:55 pm

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That is the problem, the movies are for average movie goers. That will always be the problem. The TF movies try to be action, romance, sci fi, comedy... its idiotic. You make a movie to make something unique, creative and interesting, not just to appeal enough so that you ensure seats and sales.
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They're pretty over complicated, as everyone has already mentioned. The Foc/WFC designs should have been the happy comprimise (the toy robot look i believe would have appealed to the now more targeted audience, and if executed well with lots of moving parts like in the game, would still look sick in motion). I like some of the movie figures because they are complex toys, however in the movie, they are just a flying mess of cg that ends up looking too fake as all those seams just magically dissappear in alt. mode. There are some sweet transformation sequences but I feel that an oldschool fan would ALWAYS prefer G1 devastator over a boring beast vacuum cleaner.
I'm pretty done complaining about the movies coz its beating a dead horse. They allow for some cool toys, and thats great (however the classics/generations lines are FAR superior to most movie figures). I will always have the awesome games and comics, and the figures, so let the movies suck all they want, I'll just rewatch the animated movie and feel better.
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Burn » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:59 pm

I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Megatronsdemise666 » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:04 am

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Postby MINDVVIPE » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:05 am

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Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:08 am

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Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986). :P
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Re: *Supposed* TF4 script leak: LOTS of details.

Postby njb902 » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:13 am

Sabrblade wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:
Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986). :P


It's just like the world not ending on the 21st all over again :sad:
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