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News Credits: 1 · by **scypris115** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:35 am

scypris115 wrote:
Blurrz wrote:Wow... that figure sucks.. Id buy that piece of crap mold for 5 bucks.. They can keep the change too.. looks more like an autobot..

Bludgeon was one of the best figures of 2010, one of the best designed not-in-the-movie movie characters, one of the best homages ever made, and a marvel in Transformers engineering. So, $5? Well, can't expect much when your favorite toy is something that hasn't even been released yet.

Thats your personal prefrence... I dont like any characters that are not in the movies so yes hes crap to me.. and last time I checked, Takaras version of wheeljack was released.. I bought him too so.. yeah

News Credits: 17 · by **cannonfodder4000** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:20 am

scypris115 wrote:Thats your personal prefrence... I dont like any characters that are not in the movies so yes hes crap to me.. and last time I checked, Takaras version of wheeljack was released.. I bought him too so.. yeah

Who cares if he wasn't in the movies? it's Bludgeon, he's a skeleton samurai tank man, if you don't like that then I sorta feel sorry for you. :oops:

Also are you saying that Que is better than Bludgeon? I think you are. >:oP

News Credits: 1 · by **scypris115** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:04 am

cannonfodder4000 wrote:
scypris115 wrote:Thats your personal prefrence... I dont like any characters that are not in the movies so yes hes crap to me.. and last time I checked, Takaras version of wheeljack was released.. I bought him too so.. yeah

Who cares if he wasn't in the movies? it's Bludgeon, he's a skeleton samurai tank man, if you don't like that then I sorta feel sorry for you.
Also are you saying that Que is better than Bludgeon? I think you are.

Yeah I am... so what if I like Que (Wheeljack) better then Bludgeon thats not the point..I could care less for Bludgeon or for that matter this overpriced repaint... yeah Im not gonna pay for this when I can get the original mold for a lower price, Im not much of a repaint fan, a little bit..If you like him thats fine but I think they should of used a different mold.. why use a movieverse character? It just seems odd to me..

by **dinogeist** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:52 am

IMHO,The head sculpt & colors for botcon 2012 gigatron looks like 1986 animated galvatron's. so since hasbro refuses to give us a new mold voyager galvatron toy,we can all pretend this 2012 botcon gigatron is galvatron.

by **Rated X** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:26 am

scypris115 wrote:
cannonfodder4000 wrote:
scypris115 wrote:Thats your personal prefrence... I dont like any characters that are not in the movies so yes hes crap to me.. and last time I checked, Takaras version of wheeljack was released.. I bought him too so.. yeah

Who cares if he wasn't in the movies? it's Bludgeon, he's a skeleton samurai tank man, if you don't like that then I sorta feel sorry for you.
Also are you saying that Que is better than Bludgeon? I think you are.

Yeah I am... so what if I like Que (Wheeljack) better then Bludgeon thats not the point..I could care less for Bludgeon or for that matter this overpriced repaint... yeah Im not gonna pay for this when I can get the original mold for a lower price, Im not much of a repaint fan, a little bit..If you like him thats fine but I think they should of used a different mold.. why use a movieverse character? It just seems odd to me..

Are you serious ??? This thing ??? :BANG_HEAD:

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:10 am

scypris115 wrote:
cannonfodder4000 wrote:
scypris115 wrote:Thats your personal prefrence... I dont like any characters that are not in the movies so yes hes crap to me.. and last time I checked, Takaras version of wheeljack was released.. I bought him too so.. yeah

Who cares if he wasn't in the movies? it's Bludgeon, he's a skeleton samurai tank man, if you don't like that then I sorta feel sorry for you.
Also are you saying that Que is better than Bludgeon? I think you are.

Yeah I am... so what if I like Que (Wheeljack) better then Bludgeon thats not the point..I could care less for Bludgeon or for that matter this overpriced repaint... yeah Im not gonna pay for this when I can get the original mold for a lower price, Im not much of a repaint fan, a little bit..If you like him thats fine but I think they should of used a different mold.. why use a movieverse character? It just seems odd to me..

Because he isn't really a Movieverse chracter, the toy was originally designed to be Classics Bludgeon for Universe.
Also Que's head looks more like a skull than Bludgeon's.

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:45 am

News Credits: 10 · by **gavinfuzzy** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:19 am

scypris115 wrote:Yeah I am... so what if I like Que (Wheeljack) better then Bludgeon thats not the point..I could care less for Bludgeon or for that matter this overpriced repaint... yeah Im not gonna pay for this when I can get the original mold for a lower price, Im not much of a repaint fan, a little bit..If you like him thats fine but I think they should of used a different mold.. why use a movieverse character? It just seems odd to me..

Yeah I am... so what if I like Que (Wheeljack) better then Bludgeon thats not the point..I could care less for Bludgeon or for that matter this overpriced repaint... yeah Im not gonna pay for this when I can get the original mold for a lower price, Im not much of a repaint fan, a little bit..If you like him thats fine but I think they should of used a different mold.. why use a movieverse character? It just seems odd to me..[/quote]

Thats why this is being released in Botcon and not the mainline. Its kinda just a sovinear to remember Botcon. Its like having a limited repaint of a figure for the novelty.

Yes, its kinda pricy, but that's what separates the "elite" TF fans from the rest. This is probably by no means a classics overlord, just a stand-in.

by **NOS** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:22 am

Ya know... upon looking at the figure a little closer... Wouldn't that be a damn-near perfect rendition for Shattered Glass Bludgeon? :shock:

Doesn't change my position on the bad figure choice... but switch the faction symbols and you'd have an honorable and heroic samurai doppelganger.

News Credits: 2 · by **F Prime** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:30 am

scypris115 wrote: Im not gonna pay for this when I can get the original mold for a lower price, Im not much of a repaint fan

Then the BotCon sets in general are not for you.

All of the BotCon sets are "repaints"* and you can usually buy the original mold for less.

*'Repaint' is in quotes because this is not really a straight repaint since it has a different head sculpt.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:46 am

I'm starting to run out of cheese and crackers here... :lol:

The way I see it, it's an interesting take on a rather obscure character. Makes me curious about his backstory and what lead to the choice of the RotF Bludgeon mold, given these limits:

- no larger than the current Voyager scale
- no Unicron Trilogy molds
- no licensed movie molds
- no molds used in previous sets

And since Gigatron has to be a tank (a jet is less than impressive for an overlord, and we already have a jet for his counterpart Metalhawk) there's no real choice...

- Classics Megatron (sucks)
- Universe Galvatron (sucks)
- Generations Darkmount
- Generations Warpath (Treadshot candidate)
- RotF Voyager Bludgeon

News Credits: 2 · by **Stockade** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:13 pm

Man! Hasbro is getting lazier and lazier. Pretty soon for botcon exclusives hasbro will be no new head sculpts, just be repaints in the same packaging. WAKE HASBRO! LAZY BASTARDS!!

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:20 pm

Stockade wrote:Man! Hasbro is getting lazier and lazier. Pretty soon for botcon exclusives hasbro will be no new head sculpts, just be repaints in the same packaging. WAKE HASBRO! LAZY BASTARDS!!

*directs your head to Fun Publications* Talk to them, Hasbro is just mold and license supplier. And mind you, repaints in the same (more or less) style packaging was the norm back in the 1990's.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:34 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Stockade wrote:Man! Hasbro is getting lazier and lazier. Pretty soon for botcon exclusives hasbro will be no new head sculpts, just be repaints in the same packaging. WAKE HASBRO! LAZY BASTARDS!!

*directs your head to Fun Publications* Talk to them, Hasbro is just mold and license supplier. And mind you, repaints in the same (more or less) style packaging was the norm back in the 1990's.

Plus they where striaght repaints without any new heads or anything.

Seriously, why are people blaming Hasbro for the BotCon and TFCC exclusives?

Fun Publications thinks them up and produces them, they just buy a licence from Hasbro for the mold and name, that's all Hasbro has to do in this.

Also, the more I look at that head the more I hate it, it's almost as fugly as the Decent into evil Ironhide head.

News Credits: 436 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:39 pm

Grrrrr!

I love Overlord, but I don't want to like this! I'm trying to find reasons to not like this, but they keep getting refuted by myself! :BANG_HEAD:

News Credits: 12 · by **GuyIncognito** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:07 pm

Did some of you get coal in your stockings this year? I don't understand all the hate.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:11 pm

GuyIncognito wrote:Did some of you get coal in your stockings this year? I don't understand all the hate.

I think it's more like they hate the obligation of buying such an expensive item to complete their collection. It's official after all and will be highly sought after.

And as I tried to explain before, the choice of molds is not an irrational one, given the circumstances. I'm dying to see what Metalhawk will be like. Terradive remold anyone?

by **Godzillabot Primal** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:36 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:Did some of you get coal in your stockings this year? I don't understand all the hate.

I think it's more like they hate the obligation of buying such an expensive item to complete their collection. It's official after all and will be highly sought after.

And as I tried to explain before, the choice of molds is not an irrational one, given the circumstances. I'm dying to see what Metalhawk will be like. Terradive remold anyone?

Nah, I think he'll be the head remold of Scourge.

News Credits: 1 · by **phase** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:38 pm

Really, I'm fine with this. At least the tank looks nice, minus the red and purple guns. An Overlord is an Overlord. The robot is a little odd. I would've changed the swords into guns, like Generations Blurr did.

Tank mode: 8.7/10
Robot mode: 5.1/10

News Credits: 2 · by **Nemesis Destron** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:06 pm

phase wrote:Really, I'm fine with this. At least the tank looks nice, minus the red and purple guns. An Overlord is an Overlord. The robot is a little odd. I would've changed the swords into guns, like Generations Blurr did.

Tank mode: 8.7/10
Robot mode: 5.1/10

Yeah I will give it that and that's all I will give it. But after looking at the head sculpt some more what's up with the large looking lower lip? I just doesn't look right along with the rest of the bot mode.

And can someone please educate me on Fun Pub and their role and reason for exsistance...thanks! :VEHI:

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:09 pm

Nemesis Destron wrote:
phase wrote:Really, I'm fine with this. At least the tank looks nice, minus the red and purple guns. An Overlord is an Overlord. The robot is a little odd. I would've changed the swords into guns, like Generations Blurr did.

Tank mode: 8.7/10
Robot mode: 5.1/10

Yeah I will give it that and that's all I will give it. But after looking at the head sculpt some more what's up with the large looking lower lip? I just doesn't look right along with the rest of the bot mode.

And can someone please educate me on Fun Pub and their role and reason for exsistance...thanks!

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Fun_Pub
Includes links to more info.

News Credits: 436 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:10 pm

gavinfuzzy wrote:Just realised Gigatron is actually the American name for Overlord.

So this IS our classics Overlord.

"Overlord" is his American name too. "Gigatron" is just a lesser-known alternate name that was given to his Heroes of Cybertron figure.But his Masterforce toy was releasedi n Europe as "Overlord".

Dr. Heavy B wrote:IMLTHO the samari theme of bludgeon dosn't fit overlord well.

datguy86 wrote:Love the color scheme and the head. But considering the head for LSotW had a Greco-Roman inspiration and this head seems to follow suit; it feels odd atop a very samurai body. It isn't very... in-character?

Flux Convoy wrote:It is a bit more samurai looking than I would have hoped though, for this character at least.

Nekoman wrote:The samurai motif just doesn't blend with this character.

Chaoslock wrote:That's no homage, that's blasphemy.
Overlord was a:
- baseformer
- triplechanger (quintiple if we count the separate vehicle modes as two and the united vehicle mode as another)
- double powermaster
- duocon
- bada$$

now, that mold is not even close. Plus, he didn't even nearby sport swords - he has a BFG and a plane that could be used as shield. Where's the homage in that chewed piece of bubblegum?

bvzxa wrote:While the homage is ok using the Bludgeon/BanzaiTron mold, this is really just Giga. Why they put "tron" at the end to confuse people I don't know because Giga"tron" was Megatron's name in CarRobots/RID.

There is no "tron" anywhere, it's just Giga (tank), Mega (jet), merge into Overlord.

NOS wrote:Ya know... upon looking at the figure a little closer... Wouldn't that be a damn-near perfect rendition for Shattered Glass Bludgeon?

Doesn't change my position on the bad figure choice... but switch the faction symbols and you'd have an honorable and heroic samurai doppelganger.

No. SG Bludgeon is a rootin-tootin' cowboy tank. Repurposed from RiD Destructicon Bludgeon.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'm dying to see what Metalhawk will be like. Terradive remold anyone?

They said Terradive came out too late to be used.

Nemesis Destron wrote:And can someone please educate me on Fun Pub and their role and reason for exsistance...thanks!

They're the group who runs BotCon (since 2005) and creates the exclusive figures for each convention.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:14 pm

Nemesis Destron wrote:And can someone please educate me on Fun Pub and their role and reason for exsistance...thanks!

Plain and simple, they are the true minds behind BotCon and the OTFCC, like 3H Enterprises before them. They hold the required licenses, acknowledging Hasbro's approval, and are the designers behind the events and toys, down to the new head molds which are used only once.

Hasbro hardly has any experience in organizing fan events like BotCon, so they outsource it and supply (read "rent out") the needed materials, like the molds. That's part of the reason why the Club and BotCon toys are so expensive.

And I find it so amazing that so much negative input stems from plain simple ignorance... :-$

News Credits: 387 · by **Nekoman** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:29 pm

Sabrblade wrote:

Hey Sabrblade, thanks for the reminder, but I remember the dude from Masterforce, and that doesn't look much to me like any samurai I've ever seen. I see your point, but I think that's trying too hard to defend this one.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:Did some of you get coal in your stockings this year? I don't understand all the hate.

I think it's more like they hate the obligation of buying such an expensive item to complete their collection. It's official after all and will be highly sought after.

And as I tried to explain before, the choice of molds is not an irrational one, given the circumstances. I'm dying to see what Metalhawk will be like. Terradive remold anyone?

You're also obligated to own this thing if you just want the rest of the set, and although I'm sure anyone will be able to resell theirs for more, it's still a hassle, and we could've had a better figure in place of this.

I think the mold choice is about the best they could do for the character, but the problem lies more with the character choice. The problem is they're aiming too high with a character like Overlord, and they should be looking more to what they can do best with what they've got.

News Credits: 1 · by **scypris115** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:44 pm

Rated X wrote:
scypris115 wrote:
cannonfodder4000 wrote:
scypris115 wrote:Thats your personal prefrence... I dont like any characters that are not in the movies so yes hes crap to me.. and last time I checked, Takaras version of wheeljack was released.. I bought him too so.. yeah

Who cares if he wasn't in the movies? it's Bludgeon, he's a skeleton samurai tank man, if you don't like that then I sorta feel sorry for you.
Also are you saying that Que is better than Bludgeon? I think you are.

Yeah I am... so what if I like Que (Wheeljack) better then Bludgeon thats not the point..I could care less for Bludgeon or for that matter this overpriced repaint... yeah Im not gonna pay for this when I can get the original mold for a lower price, Im not much of a repaint fan, a little bit..If you like him thats fine but I think they should of used a different mold.. why use a movieverse character? It just seems odd to me..

Are you serious ??? This thing ???