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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:38 am

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well, I ruined 3 toothbrushes, wasted a whole tub of degreaser, and wrecked my icon bearer. No, really. I can't salvage the torso, icon, legs or arms.

the plastic got SO soft the softest toothbrush carved gashes in it, and they didn't even scrap paint once they got loaded with paint. The icon of chaos glory snapped in half on the pole, it broke in half when it hit the floor, and although the head is salvageable, nothing else is.

so now I'm down to 9 out of 10 chaos space marines and my icon is wrecked. **cking great. :BOOM:

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Also, I got another can of paint, and the first coat has been drying on another model for over a day now and its still tacky. seriously, starting to think the krylon fusion crap was a prank on me.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby robofreak » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:15 pm

The krylon was not a prank. I don't recommend a product unless I myself have used it and am satified with it.

You did shake the can right? I've never had Krylon be tacky after a day of drying.

I'd heavily recommend switching to purple power. That cleaner is not as corrosive as a degreaser. It's like a heavily concentrated Windex.

Give me some pics and other details. I'm trying to figure out what is going on here. I've never had this happen with Krylon.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:11 pm

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yeah, sorry. I was more upset over possibly destroying something I liked. :-(

I'll upload pictures in a little while. I switched to another cleaner, 'goo gone' and its taking the paint right off.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby robofreak » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:58 pm

Psycho Warrior wrote:yeah, sorry. I was more upset over possibly destroying something I liked. :-(

I'll upload pictures in a little while. I switched to another cleaner, 'goo gone' and its taking the paint right off.


Goo gone will give you the same issue. It will literally turn 40K pieces into goo with no pun intended.

seriously, get yourself some purple power. You can leave stuff in their for a while without any ill effects. It's like $10 for a gallon and it will last for a while cause you don't have to throw it out after every use. I stripped 10 HG Gundam Astray Gold Frame kits of their chrome for some friends and the stufff was still good enough to strip a project of my own.

http://www.clean-rite.com/

It's one of the safest degreasers to use on the parts cause it only eats the oil that comes from the casting process, chrome, and pretty much any hobby paint.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:41 pm

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I've been brushing them and washing them in water, even keeping them submerged in a bowl of water when not being cleaned. I'm well aware it can melt plastic, hence my precautions.

I understand purple power is a good cleaner, and I thought I had some. in anycase, i'll pick some up to finish the job. I just hate making 'just one thing' runs. Especially to walmart.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby robofreak » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:11 pm

I totally understand not wanting to do a run for just one thing.

That remaining junk will come right off after a soak in purple power. Let it sit for a few hours without trying to fuss with it. Then you can pass the toothbrush over it and get it all off.

Once it's clean, I have a fix for the Krylon. I did some testing and I figured out the problem.

I'm pretty sure the parts you painted weren't cleaned all the way. GW is notorious for over oiling the molds which can cause severe issue for painting later on. Make sure you clean the sprues off in either purple power or some warm soapy water before beginning a build.

I was able to recreate the tacky paint when I painted a non clean sprue, but got the normal hard paint with a clean sprue.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:48 pm

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I'm going to get some of that purple power tomorrow, rest assured I'll do as you suggest.

The news about GW's waxy residue is news to me. which makes me glad that I haven't stared painting my other models yet. But the other problem was that mine had no nozzle, and I had to put it inches away from the model to get any coverage at all. that's before I really noticed that it had no nozzle, where it showed one on the can's example of the nozzle. ... sometimes I'm not very observant.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby robofreak » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:15 am

You'll find in about every 5 or so boxes that GW sprues sometimes have weird brown oily stuff on them. Not a lot, but enough to make you go huh?

Ulike most companies that only put oil on a mold before it's sent to storage, GW like to oile them a lot. Why? I don't know.

The plastic is waxy by natue so the residues can be prone to doing some funky stuff. with paint when it's not cleaned properly.

I learned a lot of this from my local GW before they went out of business and from experience as well.

A good trick for the paint also is to let the can sit in warm water for a bit. Get the paint warm before you paint. It will loosen it up and create a finer, more controllable mist.

I forgot to suggest that cause I live in a warm area where I only do that in the winter. You might find it helpful.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:36 pm

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well, my icon bearer sat in purple power last night, watered it down about 3parts PP to 1 part water just for some safety since it was the concentrated large jug. and it took nearly everything off.

with a new proper can of paint I have three marines and one sorcerer properly painted.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby robofreak » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:13 pm

Psycho Warrior wrote:well, my icon bearer sat in purple power last night, watered it down about 3parts PP to 1 part water just for some safety since it was the concentrated large jug. and it took nearly everything off.

with a new proper can of paint I have three marines and one sorcerer properly painted.


See what some purple power and a Krylon can that has a nozzle can do? ;)
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:58 am

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namely let me get this far after, what 2 weeks of cleaning that first fiasco? X3

not bad for the bottom half of the pole braking off, the top spike braking off,
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby robofreak » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:03 am

A 2 week learning curve is better than several years in which you make several hundred dollars in mistakes.

You're farther ahead than I was when I started building. Lots of trial and error.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:10 am

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quick question about purple power, is it good for cleaning brushes?
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby robofreak » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:50 am

Psycho Warrior wrote:quick question about purple power, is it good for cleaning brushes?


Umm, I haven't tried that, but I would think so as long as you clean it out with water afterwards.

Make sure you don't dip it in the solution past the bristles. If you do then the purple power has the chance to eat at the adehesives holding the brush together. That will not make you happy.

I usually clean my brushes with alcohol and water.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:16 pm

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4 incomplete marines, one unpainted torso, and a incomplete sorcerer of chaos. I'm leaving the heads off to paint them separate. paint's sort of been slopped on as base coats, so I can get some detail. My gold paint... not happy with it. I mistakenly watered it down with paint thinner before learning it was a water based paint. Live and learn. ^^;

Sort of bouncing between them as I paint.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby robofreak » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:11 am

They look great so far.

So for painting methods, do you do the assembly line style? I'm very prone to going through the tedious process of painting them one color at a time. Note, this is faster, but also mundane when you pick out all of one color on a set of troops and then move onto the next color.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:47 am

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robofreak wrote:They look great so far.

So for painting methods, do you do the assembly line style? I'm very prone to going through the tedious process of painting them one color at a time. Note, this is faster, but also mundane when you pick out all of one color on a set of troops and then move onto the next color.

well, yes and no. since I'm using the sons of malice paint scheme I have to start with the white coat of base paint, then set up the black arm, half of the chest, and leg, and then going for the gold trim. but I when it comes to the gold part I'm hardly mechanistic about it. I tend to notice something and try to fix it. maybe I am and maybe I'm not.

I still have 6 unpainted marines, since I'm giving them bolters and a meltagun I'm trying to get the empty arm that holds the gun on their torso first. I hate painting these guys with lots of obstructions in the way (that huge melta gun carried over the chest would be a ****)
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby robofreak » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:39 pm

That's why I hate painting marines. They have tone of little details and parts that make it difficult to get to everything else.

I love the tanks though.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:45 pm

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robofreak wrote:That's why I hate painting marines. They have tone of little details and parts that make it difficult to get to everything else.

I love the tanks though.

I'm already hating the sorcerer of chaos I have. my marines are blank slates compared to him. =/
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:08 am

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My latest update. its a big pic, so I suggest copying it to get a good look. the icon of nurgle is my best work so far. changed to the Purge instead of the Sons of Malice cause its easier to paint them
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Re: 40K assembly question

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I got into 40K and Fantasy about 10 years ago, but I gave it up because it got too expensive. I'll get back into it if I ever get a decent paying job.
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:42 pm

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I know right? 99 bucks for a baneblade? 39 for a demon prince? 20 for a pack of 5 chaos demons? geeze...

Done
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Jesterhead » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:25 pm

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Lookin' good!

Great job on the weathering of the melta!
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Psycho Warrior » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:52 am

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Jesterhead wrote:Lookin' good!

Great job on the weathering of the melta!

hey thanks man. :3

I would have preferred to use Blazing Orange for a better rust effect but I don't have any. With the costs of models and paints I really can't afford the variation in color I want. really, my local shop wants 45 bucks for a box of 7 plague marines. ><
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Re: 40K assembly question

Postby Jesterhead » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:59 am

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Psycho Warrior wrote: my local shop wants 45 bucks for a box of 7 plague marines. ><


I feel your pain man!

I built a squad of them last year (along with a winged Nurgle Daemon Prince! :twisted: ). Good looking models, but you need to do some conversions to arm them with anything decent. :BOOM:
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