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This is all in good fun and purely a thread directed at and consumed by only the most adamant of Transformers fanatics. But let's be clear. I can truly say the Bay TF franchise had a varied array of altmodes for the bots and cons. I would like to cite my source on the matter however. Take a look back and see what was posted. The alt modes are merely updated forms of the originals (the sentiment was for the most part). This is inaccurate. I never mentioned anything implying the absence of any other alt modes. Hell, these 6 reasons are mine. Which is why anyone who responds to threads like this should be (without attempting to troll or derail the conversation) in the mindset of pure individual taste. Poking holes in anyone's opinion is truly a matter up to the individual. Respectfully, eat me.

You know, I've been an ass hat this entire thread. I apologize.

Court Jester wrote:Poking holes in anyone's opinion is truly a matter up to the individual.

Didn't stop you from saying some opinions were outright wrong now did it?

Oh wait ...

Court Jester wrote:Respectfully, eat me.

Court Jester wrote:You know, I've been an ass hat this entire thread. I apologize.

hmmmm ... so you have your say, shoot others down, then decide you made a whoopsie and expect forgiveness. Nice ploy.

Seriously, it does come down to individual tastes. Some people are going to love the G1 cartoon over the modern movies and vice-versa. Both are perfect, both are imperfect, it's whatever the hell you want it to be to yourself.

So just go and watch whatever you like, and let's save the barbs for something else.

Court Jester wrote:This is all in good fun and purely a thread directed at and consumed by only the most adamant of Transformers fanatics. But let's be clear. I can truly say the Bay TF franchise had a varied array of altmodes for the bots and cons. I would like to cite my source on the matter however. Take a look back and see what was posted. The alt modes are merely updated forms of the originals (the sentiment was for the most part). This is inaccurate. I never mentioned anything implying the absence of any other alt modes.

I don't know what any of this means. Are you saying that I meant to imply that the alt modes are updates of the old ones? Because that would be inaccurate.

Court Jester wrote:Hell, these 6 reasons are mine. Which is why anyone who responds to threads like this should be (without attempting to troll or derail the conversation) in the mindset of pure individual taste. Poking holes in anyone's opinion is truly a matter up to the individual. Respectfully, eat me.

Here's the problem: You posted your opinions in a thread whose very purpose is to argue opinions. What did you think was going to happen?

now if only bay and greedberg could both aplogise from making crap transformers films and if only greedberg could apologise to megan fox about being so sodding touchy.......well... it would be nice

sadly i think this 2 morons will continue to make horrible transformer films with robots that have no charactistics, all look the same, crap plots, annoying humans, stupid reasonings and turd hole writters who clearly write the scripts in the coffee shop to LOOK cool without any actual effort put in

Swindle01 wrote:greedberg

You know, that you keep trying to claim how the Jewish guy is so greedy doesn't help disprove that antisemitism point I made earlier.

zenosaurus_x wrote:

Court Jester wrote:Reason 1: They were cartoons and not live action.

Wouldn't this just be based on opinion and thus can't actually be used to say one's better?

Your question seems rather pointless, the idea that any one thing is better then an other is an opinion based issue.

Court Jester wrote: This is inaccurate. I never mentioned anything implying the absence of any other alt modes.

actully you pretty much did with this statemernt.............

Court Jester wrote:No, transformers were more than a bunch of sports cars and military vehicles.

Thar statement is INDEED implying the absence of any other alt modes.

It may not be what you were was trying to say,but thats how it reads and the statement is still inaccurate.

Swindle01 wrote:now if only bay and greedberg could both aplogise from making crap transformers films and if only greedberg could apologise to megan fox about being so sodding touchy.......well... it would be nice

sadly i think this 2 morons will continue to make horrible transformer films with robots that have no charactistics, all look the same, crap plots, annoying humans, stupid reasonings and turd hole writters who clearly write the scripts in the coffee shop to LOOK cool without any actual effort put in

You have been outright offensive in every post I've read. You ruin it for the rest of us. You should be removed from the fandom.

I agree. Leave your stereotypical biases against a particular ethnicity out of the mix! (FYI, different ethnic groups(Japanese,American,Jewish,Filipino,African American,,Chinese,British,German etc) made the franchise successful).You're starting to sound like a Decepticon!

Anyway, simplifying this argument, G1 was the foundation while the Bayformers are..........(insert I really don't like the movies in general)I grudgingly admit help break it to mainstream( that's the nicest I can say about it). Both have their plus and minuses, let's all leave it at that then. The movies are over, finished, earned more than a billion$$$$.

Let's hope if they(Hasbro,DW,Paramount)make a reboot, it would be improved.

Autobot032 wrote:

Swindle01 wrote:now if only bay and greedberg could both aplogise from making crap transformers films and if only greedberg could apologise to megan fox about being so sodding touchy.......well... it would be nice

sadly i think this 2 morons will continue to make horrible transformer films with robots that have no charactistics, all look the same, crap plots, annoying humans, stupid reasonings and turd hole writters who clearly write the scripts in the coffee shop to LOOK cool without any actual effort put in

You have been outright offensive in every post I've read. You ruin it for the rest of us. You should be removed from the fandom.

Agreed. Also whoever stated Megan fox leaving the movies ruined them should be booted as well. I about blew a gasket when I first saw that post (forgot who put it up, may have been Swindle01)

SirSoundwaveIV wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Swindle01 wrote:now if only bay and greedberg could both aplogise from making crap transformers films and if only greedberg could apologise to megan fox about being so sodding touchy.......well... it would be nice

sadly i think this 2 morons will continue to make horrible transformer films with robots that have no charactistics, all look the same, crap plots, annoying humans, stupid reasonings and turd hole writters who clearly write the scripts in the coffee shop to LOOK cool without any actual effort put in

You have been outright offensive in every post I've read. You ruin it for the rest of us. You should be removed from the fandom.

Agreed. Also whoever stated Megan fox leaving the movies ruined them should be booted as well. I about blew a gasket when I first saw that post (forgot who put it up, may have been Swindle01)

This post is approved by me.

Burn wrote:

Court Jester wrote:Poking holes in anyone's opinion is truly a matter up to the individual.

Didn't stop you from saying some opinions were outright wrong now did it?

Oh wait ...

Court Jester wrote:Respectfully, eat me.

Court Jester wrote:You know, I've been an ass hat this entire thread. I apologize.

hmmmm ... so you have your say, shoot others down, then decide you made a whoopsie and expect forgiveness. Nice ploy.

Seriously, it does come down to individual tastes. Some people are going to love the G1 cartoon over the modern movies and vice-versa. Both are perfect, both are imperfect, it's whatever the hell you want it to be to yourself.

So just go and watch whatever you like, and let's save the barbs for something else.

I will attempt to be civil and say, "Thanks, Burn, you're absolutely right."
We've never seen eye to eye, and I think its better that way.

Court Jester wrote:We've never seen eye to eye, and I think its better that way.

I have no idea who you even are.

This just might be the most hostile thread I've visited. I think I might be done with "G1 this and the movies suck that and vice versa" type threads.

But, I was nice! heeheehee!

Hey, Burn...time to lock this one down?

Burn wrote:I have no idea who you even are.

Exactly, so please, Moderator, don't make character judgement calls (especially when he's apologizing) when you don't even know who it's coming from let alone to whom it's directed. Christ, who picks these guys to moderate any damn thing - way beyond me.

Stormer wrote:This just might be the most hostile thread I've visited. I think I might be done with "G1 this and the movies suck that and vice versa" type threads.

But, I was nice! heeheehee!

Hey, Burn...time to lock this one down?

It started relatively civil for these types of threads. Then it snowballed like these types of threads.

Court Jester wrote:

Burn wrote:I have no idea who you even are.

Exactly, so please, Moderator, don't make character judgement calls (especially when he's apologizing) when you don't even know who it's coming from let alone to whom it's directed.

He knows you have been acting like an asshat this entire thread, you were kind enough to point that out yourself. Calling people's opinions wrong doesn't exactly leave a decent first impression.

Court Jester wrote:Christ, who picks these guys to moderate any damn thing - way beyond me.

That's something I would have chosen to not say.

If I get an infraction for that, I need to consider an alternative. I mean, c'mon, son.

lol. I love how you say "don't judge me until you know me" then question the choices of moderators, implying I shouldn't have been chosen even though you don't know me. Kinda contradicts it's self yeah?

Burn wrote:lol. I love how you say "don't judge me until you know me" then question the choices of moderators, implying I shouldn't have been chosen even though you don't know me. Kinda contradicts it's self yeah?

Agreed.

I was planning on relaxing after dealing with a crap ton of homework and family stuff by catching up on some discussions. What I found was one of the most ridiculous arguments on the live action movies ever.

Seriously? I'm not even sure what to think anymore. There seems to be a real lack of maturity in this discussion and it's devolved into a shouting match over who's right and who's wrong.

Just wondering, before I proceed, should we take this "discussion" into PM, Moderator, or should I derail the topic further via this ridiculous and inappropriate (for the topic) back and forth? It's really up to you.

Is everybody having fun yet? Let's try something else, a social experiment of sorts.

Let's see if we can get this topic back into civil waters and on to some sort of topic. Come on guys, I know you can do it! Reasoned discussions without personal snipes are possible!

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

zenosaurus_x wrote:

Court Jester wrote:Reason 1: They were cartoons and not live action.

Wouldn't this just be based on opinion and thus can't actually be used to say one's better?

Your question seems rather pointless, the idea that any one thing is better then an other is an opinion based issue.

You know, I never thought it out like that, it IS a pretty stupid question in that case...

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
"distinctive personalities"??I'm sorry bud but thats an exaggeration.They may have had distinctive voices, but other then Starscream we never really saw much of the personalities of Thundercracker asnd Skywarp.

Compared to many of the Decepticons, especially the aforementioned Dreads? I'd stand by the comment.

The fact that you could differentiate Starscream from the other two proves my point a little bit already.

But seriously, Skywarp was seen teleporting around in some of the episodes and Thundercracker had his explodey something or other that I can't remember the exact specifications of, and although these don't exactly provide windows into their deepest thoughts and desires and souls per se, they do add to some level of singularity to them.

Skywarp and Thundercracker seemed to revel in Starscream's failure as well. I can remember some instances from the series (but can't find any examples on YouTube) where they would praise Megatron excessively in front of Starscream, or show resentment at the fact that they were "taking orders" from their palette swapped brother.

I mean... it's not like they were Reflector or anything.

Burn wrote:Is everybody having fun yet? Let's try something else, a social experiment of sorts.

Let's see if we can get this topic back into civil waters and on to some sort of topic. Come on guys, I know you can do it! Reasoned discussions without personal snipes are possible!

I agree,I'll try to get this thread back on topic. by answering & coming with 6 reasons the original cartoons were better than the movies.

6 reasons "I" think the original cartoons were better than the movies.

(1)Way more robots characters in cartoons episodes verses a very limited cast of robots in the live action three movies.

(2) Way more persona & spoken Dialogue words were spoken by the robots in the cartoons. verses the live action TF movies barely getting a line of dialogue out of the robots.

(3)For the most part,the cartoons viewed the Transformers stories from a transformers robots point of view. the live action TF movies had the stories getting told from a humans point of view.

(4)Their was way too big of a cast of humans in the live action three TF movies. the cartoons had less humans & more robots grabbing valuable screen time.

(5)I liked the robots designs better in the cartoons. I didn't care for the robots designs in the three live action TF movies.

(6)I thought the voice actors talent was leaps & bounds better for the robots in the cartoons. The voice actors talents for the robots in the live action three TF movies felt very generic,amateur,awful,cheesy & annoying. obviously peter cullen & frank welker are the exceptions as they voiced both the cartoons & the three live action TF movies.