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Just wondering, before I proceed, should we take this "discussion" into PM, Moderator, or should I derail the topic further via this ridiculous and inappropriate (for the topic) back and forth? It's really up to you.

Is everybody having fun yet? Let's try something else, a social experiment of sorts.

Let's see if we can get this topic back into civil waters and on to some sort of topic. Come on guys, I know you can do it! Reasoned discussions without personal snipes are possible!

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

zenosaurus_x wrote:

Court Jester wrote:Reason 1: They were cartoons and not live action.

Wouldn't this just be based on opinion and thus can't actually be used to say one's better?

Your question seems rather pointless, the idea that any one thing is better then an other is an opinion based issue.

You know, I never thought it out like that, it IS a pretty stupid question in that case...

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
"distinctive personalities"??I'm sorry bud but thats an exaggeration.They may have had distinctive voices, but other then Starscream we never really saw much of the personalities of Thundercracker asnd Skywarp.

Compared to many of the Decepticons, especially the aforementioned Dreads? I'd stand by the comment.

The fact that you could differentiate Starscream from the other two proves my point a little bit already.

But seriously, Skywarp was seen teleporting around in some of the episodes and Thundercracker had his explodey something or other that I can't remember the exact specifications of, and although these don't exactly provide windows into their deepest thoughts and desires and souls per se, they do add to some level of singularity to them.

Skywarp and Thundercracker seemed to revel in Starscream's failure as well. I can remember some instances from the series (but can't find any examples on YouTube) where they would praise Megatron excessively in front of Starscream, or show resentment at the fact that they were "taking orders" from their palette swapped brother.

I mean... it's not like they were Reflector or anything.

Burn wrote:Is everybody having fun yet? Let's try something else, a social experiment of sorts.

Let's see if we can get this topic back into civil waters and on to some sort of topic. Come on guys, I know you can do it! Reasoned discussions without personal snipes are possible!

I agree,I'll try to get this thread back on topic. by answering & coming with 6 reasons the original cartoons were better than the movies.

6 reasons "I" think the original cartoons were better than the movies.

(1)Way more robots characters in cartoons episodes verses a very limited cast of robots in the live action three movies.

(2) Way more persona & spoken Dialogue words were spoken by the robots in the cartoons. verses the live action TF movies barely getting a line of dialogue out of the robots.

(3)For the most part,the cartoons viewed the Transformers stories from a transformers robots point of view. the live action TF movies had the stories getting told from a humans point of view.

(4)Their was way too big of a cast of humans in the live action three TF movies. the cartoons had less humans & more robots grabbing valuable screen time.

(5)I liked the robots designs better in the cartoons. I didn't care for the robots designs in the three live action TF movies.

(6)I thought the voice actors talent was leaps & bounds better for the robots in the cartoons. The voice actors talents for the robots in the live action three TF movies felt very generic,amateur,awful,cheesy & annoying. obviously peter cullen & frank welker are the exceptions as they voiced both the cartoons & the three live action TF movies.

zenosaurus_x wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

zenosaurus_x wrote:

Court Jester wrote:Reason 1: They were cartoons and not live action.

Wouldn't this just be based on opinion and thus can't actually be used to say one's better?

Your question seems rather pointless, the idea that any one thing is better then an other is an opinion based issue.

You know, I never thought it out like that, it IS a pretty stupid question in that case...

Glad I could help

plates wrote:Compared to many of the Decepticons, especially the aforementioned Dreads? I'd stand by the comment.

The fact that you could differentiate Starscream from the other two proves my point a little bit already.

But seriously, Skywarp was seen teleporting around in some of the episodes and Thundercracker had his explodey something or other that I can't remember the exact specifications of, and although these don't exactly provide windows into their deepest thoughts and desires and souls per se, they do add to some level of singularity to them.

Skywarp and Thundercracker seemed to revel in Starscream's failure as well. I can remember some instances from the series (but can't find any examples on YouTube) where they would praise Megatron excessively in front of Starscream, or show resentment at the fact that they were "taking orders" from their palette swapped brother.

I mean... it's not like they were Reflector or anything.

I'm sorry but I still feel your exaggerating, the fact that we saw Skywarp teleporting and Thundercracker useing his thunderous engines does nothing to help the point you made earlier about distinctive personalities.

althu their powers and color schemes may have seprated them,Starscream was the only one that got any personality,

ignore this before edit, talked to burns about this.

ANYWAY, on the topic. I feel like the Decepticon characters are better developed in most of the cartoon series over the movies, simply because of lack of screen time and lack of time in general. The comics supplementing the movies gave good looks at their personalities (people always forget about the comics, myself included) but the movies themselves simply don't have the time to- truth be told, I've pretty much written this off as a flaw of the movies simply because of the circumstances, plus the comics do a lot for the personalities.

As for how it looks? Not even close, the movies win over everything else in transformers by miles. The plots of the first and third ones are solid- both of them are very much acceptable in my eyes for something transformers. RoTF was iffy, and I agree with Bay when he called the Fallen an (expletive) character. But hey, who likes G1 Wheelie! (I actually do but that's a different point)

And yeah, the only times Skywarp/Thundercracker have gotten any sort of personality was in WFC and in the IDW comics

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I'm sorry but I still feel your exaggerating, the fact that we saw Skywarp teleporting and Thundercracker useing his thunderous engines does nothing to help the point you made earlier about distinctive personalities.

althu their powers and color schemes may have seprated them,Starscream was the only one that got any personality,

Well, I can see where you're coming from definitely. Compared to Starscream however... that's a tough act for most to follow. Perhaps "distinctive" personalities might have been too strong a word. I still feel as though you can differentiate them though.

They usually seemed to be in disagreement or at least not aligned with Starscream's treasonous ways as opposed to just being lackeys or "yes-men" for him, which would have made them completely non-distinctive. Come to think of it... having all the seekers plan their own takeover of the Decepticons would have been interesting to see. Just look at what they did to Optimus Prime in that one episode whose name escapes me at the moment.

plates wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I'm sorry but I still feel your exaggerating, the fact that we saw Skywarp teleporting and Thundercracker useing his thunderous engines does nothing to help the point you made earlier about distinctive personalities.

althu their powers and color schemes may have seprated them,Starscream was the only one that got any personality,

Well, I can see where you're coming from definitely. Compared to Starscream however... that's a tough act for most to follow. Perhaps "distinctive" personalities might have been too strong a word. I still feel as though you can differentiate them though.

They usually seemed to be in disagreement or at least not aligned with Starscream's treasonous ways as opposed to just being lackeys or "yes-men" for him, which would have made them completely non-distinctive. Come to think of it... having all the seekers plan their own takeover of the Decepticons would have been interesting to see. Just look at what they did to Optimus Prime in that one episode whose name escapes me at the moment.

Not sure what episode your refeing too, but it would have been cool to see them come together for a take over.