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A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Va'al » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:45 am

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This has been making the rounds on various social media outlets. I'm just going to leave it here. :)

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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:43 am

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Seriously? What kind of Bay-haters has that girl encountered? Bayverse is not the highest quality when it comes to story and character development, but it's not the worst either. I think it's definitely the most mainstream and generates the most revenue. Everyone has his/her own preferences.

I welcome all new fans. If they get drawn in by Bayverse, it's a way for them to experience the other continuities. :)
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Va'al » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:28 am

Motto: "Till All Are Pun!"
Probably the same people who wished Michael Bay were seriously harmed in Hong Kong, said that the stunt driver who almost died during DotM was 'her own fault for being in a Bay film', and other such marvellous gems.

But yes, positivity towards new fans! :D
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby SlyTF1 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:13 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Seriously? What kind of Bay-haters has that girl encountered? Bayverse is not the highest quality when it comes to story and character development, but it's not the worst either. I think it's definitely the most mainstream and generates the most revenue. Everyone has his/her own preferences.

I welcome all new fans. If they get drawn in by Bayverse, it's a way for them to experience the other continuities. :)


Have you honestly not seen the hate the movies and fans of the movies get?
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:13 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:Have you honestly not seen the hate the movies and fans of the movies get?


Nothing extreme. I see arguments on boards like this, but other than hurt feelings and insults, I haven't seen anything. Nothing physical that would make someone cower like she did. It's just popular fiction, for Primus's sake. Hate him or love him, Bay is laughing at everyone, all the way to the bank, along with Hasbro and Paramount.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby OptiMagnus » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:51 pm

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Ah, yes. The "old timers." "Back in my day things were better, then you came along and ruined it!" Got to love them. Coincidentally, they always seem to be "true fans" also.

I think every fandom has these people, but the Transformers GeeWunners are in a league of their own. It's a slagging toy series for Primus' sake. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's just more munkys and bees for me!

But seriously, if it wasn't for Michael Bay, I wouldn't have dumped more money than I'd like to admit on the Generations line. And I wouldn't have bought the first season of G1...which prompted me to buy more G1 stuff. The movies made me go from just a fan of the toys to a fan of everything that is Transformers. See how it works, GeeWunners? Us young'uns aren't that bad.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby SlyTF1 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:31 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:Have you honestly not seen the hate the movies and fans of the movies get?


Nothing extreme. I see arguments on boards like this, but other than hurt feelings and insults, I haven't seen anything. Nothing physical that would make someone cower like she did. It's just popular fiction, for Primus's sake. Hate him or love him, Bay is laughing at everyone, all the way to the bank, along with Hasbro and Paramount.


While I don't have many, I'm sure some feelings can hurt more than physicality.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby kaijuguy19 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:55 am

I saw that post on Tumblr. It's pretty good and I really feel sorry for that girl if she's feeling that picked on by those extreme haters. It does show how extreme fan hatered can affect other fans. :(
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Dagon » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:16 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:Have you honestly not seen the hate the movies and fans of the movies get?


Nothing extreme. I see arguments on boards like this, but other than hurt feelings and insults, I haven't seen anything. Nothing physical that would make someone cower like she did. It's just popular fiction, for Primus's sake. Hate him or love him, Bay is laughing at everyone, all the way to the bank, along with Hasbro and Paramount.



I think it's far more prevalent on the internet. No one in the real world cares enough about Transformers to still be down on people in reality because they liked Revenge of the Fallen. We're the ones who keep talking about the movies; a large amount of all those casual moviegoers who make a billion dollars for the movies barely care about them a few hours after they leave the theaters.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:38 pm

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I was speaking of my own experiences only. I actually don't visit any other TF site at all, which may make me a bit handicapped when it comes to comprehending the whole scope of the fandom, but here I don't really see much more than arguing among members who are either pro- or anti-Bay.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:23 pm

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I really don't see the need to get all hostile over TF movies. While I have my fair share of complaints about them (mostly just the stupid comedy and overhanded military promoting), I really don't see the point in taking it personal and attacking someone verbally or, Primus forbid, physically.

Then again, I'm a causal fan of both G1 and Bayverse, and neither are sacred to me as far as criticism is concerned.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Burn » Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:42 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:I was speaking of my own experiences only. I actually don't visit any other TF site at all, which may make me a bit handicapped when it comes to comprehending the whole scope of the fandom, but here I don't really see much more than arguing among members who are either pro- or anti-Bay.


My biggest gripe is that it's the same old argument. And by old I mean 2007 old. There's no new arguments, it's just the same old drivel. "Bay sucks!"-"No he doesn't!" "I liked the movies!"-"You're mentally challenged if you liked the movies!"
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:09 am

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Burn wrote:My biggest gripe is that it's the same old argument. And by old I mean 2007 old. There's no new arguments, it's just the same old drivel. "Bay sucks!"-"No he doesn't!" "I liked the movies!"-"You're mentally challenged if you liked the movies!"


Yeah, agreed. And for some reason most arguments are between Bayfans and G1 fans. People who like any other continuity don't seems to be taking it so seriously that Bayverse isn't what they wanted it to be. I say this, because I am a huge fan of G1, the comics mostly, and I did want to see a big screen version of the characters I grew up with. But I don't think Bay or Paramount committed an ultimate sin by not doing that. Bayverse is good for what it is: summer entertainment. Personally, it's not in my top 3, maybe in my top 5, but people need to remember that these are opinions expressed by individuals, and also that since the live action movies came out, there was a huge influx of teens into the fandom who are here because of Bayverse and nothing before it.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby tfparodies » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:37 am

I wouldn't scream at someone who only liked the Bay-verse films, but why do I need to be positive about it? False positivity is better than true negativity? That means, in essence, that people would rather be lied to than hear the truth. (Obviously, this is a topic of psychology and social interactions than just any TF universe.)

No one deserves to be yelled at or made fun of, but I sure as hell will gladly point out the many, many flaws in the Bay-verse TF movies (of which I can't even remember the horrid plots of parts 2 & 3 at all really). So, to me, if I meet someone who thinks these movies are great, I have a huge problem. Not because I am just a G1'er, but because I am a fan of well-made film and hate to see such potential wasted.

Of course, I wouldn't get into such a deep topic at the counter of a store, but would gladly talk about it with those interested.

I would never, EVER, just be blindly "positive" about something I don't like any more than I would blindly hate something. I have more respect for myself and the others I talk to than to lie to their faces. I wish there was more of that in general in the world.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby OptiMagnus » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:40 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I was speaking of my own experiences only. I actually don't visit any other TF site at all, which may make me a bit handicapped when it comes to comprehending the whole scope of the fandom, but here I don't really see much more than arguing among members who are either pro- or anti-Bay.

The fandom is actually much different elsewhere on the Internet. It seems to me that the majority (but not all) of the fans here are G1 fans who grew up with the original show in the 80's and who also hate the Bay movies. As far as arguing, insults, and extreme views go, this site is actually the most extreme I've seen (and that goes for both pro-Bay and anti-Bay people), so this is probably the worst it gets.
I'm on another board and the demographics there are so different. There is a greater balance of people of all ages who all have different favorites, and there is a much lower amount of insults. And they all think the arguing over there is the worst...

tfparodies wrote:I wouldn't scream at someone who only liked the Bay-verse films, but why do I need to be positive about it? False positivity is better than true negativity? That means, in essence, that people would rather be lied to than hear the truth. (Obviously, this is a topic of psychology and social interactions than just any TF universe.)

No one deserves to be yelled at or made fun of, but I sure as hell will gladly point out the many, many flaws in the Bay-verse TF movies (of which I can't even remember the horrid plots of parts 2 & 3 at all really). So, to me, if I meet someone who thinks these movies are great, I have a huge problem. Not because I am just a G1'er, but because I am a fan of well-made film and hate to see such potential wasted.

Of course, I wouldn't get into such a deep topic at the counter of a store, but would gladly talk about it with those interested.

I would never, EVER, just be blindly "positive" about something I don't like any more than I would blindly hate something. I have more respect for myself and the others I talk to than to lie to their faces. I wish there was more of that in general in the world.


Who said you had to be positive about something you don't like? I think you're taking this out of context. There is a difference between negativity and outright hostility.

Well, I have a problem with you having a huge problem. I don't see why other people's personal tastes in movies bother you. I think hip-hop and electronic music are horrid, but I don't have a problem with other people liking those genres. It's just a difference in personal taste, that's all. No need to get fussy over it. Same goes for movies.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby tfparodies » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:05 pm

OptiMagnus wrote:Who said you had to be positive about something you don't like? I think you're taking this out of context. There is a difference between negativity and outright hostility.

Well, I have a problem with you having a huge problem. I don't see why other people's personal tastes in movies bother you. I think hip-hop and electronic music are horrid, but I don't have a problem with other people liking those genres. It's just a difference in personal taste, that's all. No need to get fussy over it. Same goes for movies.


It bothers me because if people didn't pay into the crap we are getting nowadays we wouldn't be inundated with it. I agree with you in your musical opinion above. Now suppose a favorite rock band of yours (or whatever genre you like the most) decides to stop making music you because hip-hop is selling these days. It's happened. Of course you should be vocal about your dislike. In this example, it absolutely does affect you! It doesn't mean you have to be violent or threatening, but you should stand up for what you like, and voice your displeasure if the situation calls for it.

I can think of plenty of other examples where other people's liking something, or at least willingness to accept something, DOES affect me in some way or another. So, of course I will voice it. How many times over the years have you heard something like "all these Hollywood movies are the same crap over and over. Why can't they make something original?" Well, the answer is because it pays not to. The longer we accept crap and make rich people richer because of it, the longer we will keep getting crap handed to us. How does that NOT affect all of us?
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby leakin' lubricant » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:09 pm

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Not a massive fan of the movies to be fair, but I enjoy them for what they are, which is a different take on a familier theme, sure there are mistakes and a hell of a lot of artistic licence going on in them which grates a little but not to the degree where I would bully and intimidate a fan of them. As someone has already stated this happens in all major franchises and due to my age I sit quite firmly in the G1 camp as I also sit in the episode 4,5 and 6 camp and the Star Trek Original Episode camp but these people who claime that their childhood has been "raped" and such crap need to get a grip!
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby OptiMagnus » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:20 pm

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tfparodies wrote:
OptiMagnus wrote:Who said you had to be positive about something you don't like? I think you're taking this out of context. There is a difference between negativity and outright hostility.

Well, I have a problem with you having a huge problem. I don't see why other people's personal tastes in movies bother you. I think hip-hop and electronic music are horrid, but I don't have a problem with other people liking those genres. It's just a difference in personal taste, that's all. No need to get fussy over it. Same goes for movies.


It bothers me because if people didn't pay into the crap we are getting nowadays we wouldn't be inundated with it. I agree with you in your musical opinion above. Now suppose a favorite rock band of yours (or whatever genre you like the most) decides to stop making music you because hip-hop is selling these days. It's happened. Of course you should be vocal about your dislike. In this example, it absolutely does affect you! It doesn't mean you have to be violent or threatening, but you should stand up for what you like, and voice your displeasure if the situation calls for it.

I can think of plenty of other examples where other people's liking something, or at least willingness to accept something, DOES affect me in some way or another. So, of course I will voice it. How many times over the years have you heard something like "all these Hollywood movies are the same crap over and over. Why can't they make something original?" Well, the answer is because it pays not to. The longer we accept crap and make rich people richer because of it, the longer we will keep getting crap handed to us. How does that NOT affect all of us?

Personally, I think there are plenty of great films and actors out there. There have always been good movies and there have always been bad movies (in which that is already subjective), and there always will be. Just because Michael Bay decided to take on the Transformers project and fill it with explosions and potty humor does not mean there aren't other good movies still coming out.
Well, I'll tell you how it doesn't affect all of "us." The fact of the matter is, people aren't just accepting crap. People really think this...um..."crap"...is great. They like it for what it is. You're saying people don't need to keep accepting crap. However, nothing will change unless you can convince them that what they like is crap, because they believe it to be good already.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Burn » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:48 pm

tfparodies wrote:It bothers me because if people didn't pay into the crap we are getting nowadays we wouldn't be inundated with it.


You do realise how utterly hilarious you sound right? It's not like anyone's forcing you to watch "the crap we are getting nowadays"

Now suppose a favorite rock band of yours (or whatever genre you like the most) decides to stop making music you because hip-hop is selling these days.


Then I keep listening to what they've released. At 37 years old, I find myself listening to a lot of old 80's music these days. Not JUST because I can't stand "the crap we are getting nowadays", but it's because it's what I grew up listening to and what helped shape my taste in music.

And you know what else is awesome? If I don't like what's on the radio, I change the station. We live in a world where we're saturated with choices.

It's so much healthier than sitting behind my computer and venting on a website where only a small percentage of the world's population see it thus ensuring my opinion doesn't make a difference.

you should stand up for what you like, and voice your displeasure if the situation calls for it.


See, this I can agree with.

But harping on about since 2007 about the problems with the first movie ... well ... what's the point? It's seven years ago, it can't be changed.

Same with harping on about the subsequent sequels and the upcoming one. People need to face facts, they're onto a winning formula with the movies. Just because a TF fan doesn't like it, doesn't mean it's WRONG, and that's what the "haters" need to understand. They're more than welcome to dislike the movies, but they need to stop acting like their opinion is the be all and end all and accept that there are opinions different to their own.

Simple fact. The movies have been a financial success. This is a clear indicator that people liked them. Given how much of a success, they must have liked them enough to see it multiple times.

Figures don't lie.

Whether the movies were good or bad is personal opinion and there is no right or wrong.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby OptiMagnus » Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:25 pm

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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Burn » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:24 pm

OptiMagnus wrote:If everyone could think just a little more like Burn, the world would be a better place.


Hell no. The world would be more fucked up.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby leakin' lubricant » Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:01 pm

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I think alot of the anti Bayformers people forget to realise that like it or not they have been a huge succsess and have returned Transformers back into the spotlight and generated a hell of a lot of revenue, whatever you think of the films as an artform the simple truth is without them we would not have seen the recent licenced Masterpiece figures, with that in mind what would you rather have, warm fuzzy memories from your childhood or those same warm fuzzy memories AND Maesterpiece Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Prowl and Bumblebee?
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Burn » Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:36 pm

leakin' lubricant wrote:I think alot of the anti Bayformers people forget to realise that like it or not they have been a huge succsess and have returned Transformers back into the spotlight and generated a hell of a lot of revenue, whatever you think of the films as an artform the simple truth is without them we would not have seen the recent licenced Masterpiece figures, with that in mind what would you rather have, warm fuzzy memories from your childhood or those same warm fuzzy memories AND Maesterpiece Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Prowl and Bumblebee?


I'm not a "anti-Bayformer", I enjoyed the movies for what they were. BUT ... I see this "without them we wouldn't have had all the awesome stuff we've had like Classics, Generations, MP's etc in recent years" argument thrown around a lot and I just don't buy it.

We don't know what would have happened without the movies. The whole franchise may have fallen over, or the franchise may have moved in a different direction.

We could have still gotten all that awesome stuff as one of the shifts in direction could have been towards a collector market.

We'll just never know. That's why I don't see it as a valid point of argument.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby Shadowman » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:05 pm

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leakin' lubricant wrote:I think alot of the anti Bayformers people forget to realise that like it or not they have been a huge succsess and have returned Transformers back into the spotlight and generated a hell of a lot of revenue, whatever you think of the films as an artform the simple truth is without them we would not have seen the recent licenced Masterpiece figures, with that in mind what would you rather have, warm fuzzy memories from your childhood or those same warm fuzzy memories AND Maesterpiece Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Prowl and Bumblebee?


I'm not a "anti-Bayformer", I enjoyed the movies for what they were. BUT ... I see this "without them we wouldn't have had all the awesome stuff we've had like Classics, Generations, MP's etc in recent years" argument thrown around a lot and I just don't buy it.


Especially since Classics and MP, at least, came out before the movies.
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Re: A Friendly Reminder to the Transformers Fandom

Postby tfparodies » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:05 pm

Burn wrote:You do realise how utterly hilarious you sound right? It's not like anyone's forcing you to watch "the crap we are getting nowadays"

Here we go. Where did I say I watched them? I've had the unfortunate experience to see a bad film or two, but I haven't watched most of it (TF movies excluded), nor did I imply such. You realize how ridiculous you sound saying nonsense like this?

And to play along with your little glitch of reasoning, how many stories have you heard where usually the boyfriend gets dragged to a crappy movie? Yes, sometimes people do get forced to watch this stuff.

Then I keep listening to what they've released. At 37 years old, I find myself listening to a lot of old 80's music these days. Not JUST because I can't stand "the crap we are getting nowadays", but it's because it's what I grew up listening to and what helped shape my taste in music.


Great. This has no bearing on what I said at all.

And you know what else is awesome? If I don't like what's on the radio, I change the station. We live in a world where we're saturated with choices.


That's a fallacy that some people think is true, but it is blatantly not for a large percentage of the population. We are given the illusion of many choices. I haven't listened to the radio in years, and, yes, it's because of the same pop crap that gets re-fed to us over and over again.


But harping on about since 2007 about the problems with the first movie ... well ... what's the point? It's seven years ago, it can't be changed.


It can't be, but opinions can be changed even though most times they probably aren't. Anyone willing to actually listen to reasoning should be open to having their minds changed.

Same with harping on about the subsequent sequels and the upcoming one. People need to face facts, they're onto a winning formula with the movies.


"Winning?" For whom? Do you work for the film industry? Obviously I can argue how this certainly isn't "winning" in any respects to society as a whole. What should I care how much money Michael Bay earns in his job any more than anyone else? Why should that be winning to me? It's only winning to those who financially benefit or who are thoroughly entertained. Neither of which are me. So I take umbrage with calling it "winning".

Just because a TF fan doesn't like it, doesn't mean it's WRONG, and that's what the "haters" need to understand. They're more than welcome to dislike the movies, but they need to stop acting like their opinion is the be all and end all and accept that there are opinions different to their own.


I can certainly point out things that wrong with the movie. And when something is wrong, yes, it's the "be all/end all". If you want to ignore mistakes or flubs or flaws in logic or continuity errors and things like that, fine, but if they exist it's pretty much a clear-cut things.

Simple fact. The movies have been a financial success. This is a clear indicator that people liked them. Given how much of a success, they must have liked them enough to see it multiple times.
Again, that's something of an odd way to judge unless that financial success is yours too in some way.

Figures don't lie.
Heh. No? Any statistician can easily argue that one, as well as some gamblers too.

Whether the movies were good or bad is personal opinion and there is no right or wrong.
Not entirely true, as another fallacy that pervades is that somehow opinions can't be wrong. Anyway, you can say you liked the movie, but in general know that it's not very good. Same with songs, TV, etc. Yes, I have some movies that I like that are considered bad, but I like them.
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