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I've been thinking that maybe the only way to avoid another Civil War is to have Liberals and Conservatives agree to disagree and peacefully part ways. The Cons can have the Midwest and the Deep South and call it Jesusland, where they can teach creationism in their schools and marry their first cousins. The Libs can have the East and West Coasts and call it Coastopia, where they could legalize gay marriage and have universal health care. And in another four years we would see which country was happier and more prosperous.

Or, people on both sides could get their heads out of their asses, properly listen to the other side, discuss possible compromises, and come to an agreement. And because of individuality and the freedoms granted by the Constitution, this will never happen. That doesn't mean everyone heeds the Constitution. (i.e. George W.) There are people with beliefs other than strictly liberal or conservative. I, for instance, don't automatically identify with either. I make my choices on matters depending on what said matter is. Sometimes I am conservative, and sometimes I am liberal. Yes, it can be done. Most individuals just have to stop giving in to peer pressure.

More individuals should exercise their birthright to BE individuals, and not blindly follow any single person or be yet another sheep in the herd.

Enjoy your freedoms while you still can!

Wait wait, not to be a downer here, but Isnt talking political against the rules?

BeastProwl wrote:Wait wait, not to be a downer here, but Isnt talking political against the rules?

I seem to remember a whole part of this form that was shut down because of political/philisopical fighting. I don't think political talk is against the rules, I think its the inevitable flame wars that come from typicaly heated arguments.

Can't work. One side believes it's their God given right and thus won't back down, and the other side has to fight harder and louder because of the other side's behavior. And the everyday person is stuck in the middle and suffers the most.

It's probably going to get worse before it gets better

I personally am a liberal. I believe that gays should have as much rights as everybody else. Because they're rights, they shouldn't be voted on. I believe that the minority races shouldn't be discriminated because they have different features. I believe that not just marijuana, but all drugs should be decriminalized. Look at Portugal, usage went down at least by half over the past 10 years. We should get straight out of Afghanistan. However, I don't believe we should be telling each other we're wrong. We should just raise our children to make some right choices, but decide the rest for themselves.

Dr. Heavy B wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:Wait wait, not to be a downer here, but Isnt talking political against the rules?

I seem to remember a whole part of this form that was shut down because of political/philisopical fighting. I don't think political talk is against the rules, I think its the inevitable flame wars that come from typicaly heated arguments.

Yeah, the philosophers forum.. It got heated in there too thus why we had to lock it down..

This thread is fine.. I will monitor it in case it gets out of control.

Unfortunately, a 2nd civil war is fast becoming the only solution to the myriad problems of american society.

We have a population where the middle class and below are ruled by the upper class, who make all the rules to benefit themselves so they can get richer why the rest of the american economy lapses into ruin.

Do you think politicians care about what we pay for gas? Hell no, because congressman, house reps and every other high-ranking government official drive governement issued cars, the gas for which is all paid by a government expense credit card which is, in turn, paid off by OUR TAXES.
Do you think they care about what we pay in taxes? Hell no, because tax breaks, loop holes, and write-offs are all designed to be used by the upper class...people who can afford to pay taxes ANYWAY but refuse to do so because they can't live without that one extra "zero" at the end of thier bank accounts.
The government controls our very economy by either subterfuge or brute force.
For example of force, consider this...we can put satellites in space that outlast thier expected life span by almost TRIPLE (i was a satcom tech in the army for over a decade), we can put a man on the moon and a remote-control vehicle on mars...but Ford cant make a car that will operate to full efficiency past warranty? The truth is, Big Brother specifically designs consumer merchandise to be FLAWED, so that we have to continually cycle money by buying parts, services, or entire replacements for stuff that SHOULD last a lifetime. Only the rich seem immune to this...ever seen a story about Brad Pitt's limo or some actor's ferrari breaking down? Thats right...products for the rich are designed so they dont have to keep paying, while we do.
As an example of subterfuge...remember all the hoopla about HDL/LDL cholesterol? When was the last time you saw any of it? Probably not in a while, since it was a government TOOL used to influence how we spent our money (AKA buying what they wanted us to buy), and as soon as it lost effectiveness, they had to find some other "knee-jerk" panic to spread throughout the common masses (trans fats, anyone?)

Let's talk about the Constitution...and how our basic rights as set forth by the Founding Fathers of our country our being stripped from us. Freedom of Speech? Gone. The government has ADMITTING to tapping the phones of most of america (violating our so-called right to privacy as well). Right to Keep and Bear Arms? Teetering on the brink. And does the "upper crust" care? Hell no, because the rich and famous, as well as government officials, all have bodyguards or secret service agents to protect them (in the case of the secret service and FBI they are govenment exempt from gun laws, by the way).

It might not be a 'zombie apocolypse"...but I can foresee a time fast approaching when we will have a "socialist apocalypse" in which the downtrodden will finally no longer be able to stomach the abuse heaped upon them by the elite ruling class and rise up to take by thier rights, thier economy, and the actual idea of "The American Dream" which should have never had anything to do with "the rich get richer, the poor get poorer".

One last tid bit to fuel the flames of free thought: why are all of our elected officials like, old as hell? Every single one of them is out of touch with today's values, our current society, and the ever-changing world. Why? Because it's all based on an Illuminati-esque system of "who's who" that seeks only to perpetuate itself as the ruling class of america. Think to yourself for a while about the origins of the acronym "GOP".

How many threads do you intend to necrobump with your insane conspiracy theories?

Shadowman wrote:How many threads do you intend to necrobump with your insane conspiracy theories?

Says the guy stalking me around the TF boards.

And, in case you can't read into it (in either thread, apparently): TROLLOLLOLOL.