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Well most who seen the film will label Sentinel prime as a traitor to the autobots and his action most treacherously foul, I have been thinking about his motives behind his treacherous actions. I mean all he wanted is the revivl of his beloved planet and race, will we humans be any different if we ourselves face oblivion, extinction and planetary destruction? Our governments would not hesitate for a microsecond to sacrifice other races or even other planets to ensure the survival of our very own. In fact I full support his actions although traitorous are justifiable as the needs of many overwhelms those of little. In fact optimus prime is the real traitor to cybertron, first sending the allspark to space thus ensuring the destruction of cybertron and then putting the interest of those less than grateful humans over the long term survival of cybertron and the transformers race. In the G1 cartton when megatron pull off a similar trick of transporting cybertron to earth's atmosphere, optimus did not stop megatron at last minute out of love and loyalty for his planet, though of course he manage to save both planets in that continuity. Even megatron show more love and loyalty to his mother planet and race. Optimus is undeniably the hero of earth but a useless traitor of cybertron, a disgrace to the lineage of prime and instead of calling him optimus prime, I think he should be label as octopus slime ahahaha . Sentinel prime should eulogized as the Hero and Would Be Savior of Cybertron.
WHAT DO U GUYS THINK?

Your wrong
cybertron was nothing but a wasteland salvaged by war
he couldnt bring everyone back to life anyways

I think Sentinel was just poorly written.
Its hard to figure his character out.
He seems to abandon the autobots, side with the decepticons and just becomes a decepticon. He values his race more than anything else. He wants cybertronians to live, and flourish, but has no problem with autobots being killed.
When autobots were taken hostage by decepticons and not sentinel....it's really confusing as to who the bad guys are.

I don't really think it's that confusing. Sentinel is obsessed with the race of the Transformers flourishing, and having a new planet. By killing the Autobots, he's killing the idea of the humans being valuble, as well as there technically being peace, since he's basically a Decepticon leader now. It's just an evil peace...if that makes sense.

Still both sides saw casualties in fighting. If you're after peace, why throw both sides you care about into a fight?
That's really stupid. Sentinel doesn't seem like he's after peace at all. It seems like he's just after whatever michael bay needed for big action scenes.

Screamfleet wrote:Still both sides saw casualties in fighting. If you're after peace, why throw both sides you care about into a fight?
That's really stupid. Sentinel doesn't seem like he's after peace at all. It seems like he's just after whatever michael bay needed for big action scenes.

No, thats a really... Err.. Dumb coment. If you didnt agree with Sentinel's role then thats one thing. But to use it as an excuse just for bay to use for explosions and such is wrong. Sorry, but it really isnt that hard to understand.
Sentinel made an agrement with megatron because his enterest was to preserve what was left of cybertron and use human labor to rebuild it. When he awoke on earth, the first thing Optimus said was...
"Sentinel, your home now!" ..or something in that nature. The Autobots have obviously been happy on earth and have built a relationship with them. Sentinel knew that and figures there's nothing he could do to change it. So he offs Ironhide so he can continue his original plan to meet up with Megatron.
Now i still believe that if he felt he had another option instead of betraying the autobots he probabaly would have taken that route. Deep down i dont think he was truely proud of what he was doing. I think this is why he didnt accept the matrix from optimus and asked for Optimus to forgive him right before he activated the pillars. But ultimately, his goal was to rebuild cybertron and nothing was going to gey in the way of that. Megatron and the other decepticons were mearly "buisness partners". Nothing more, nothing less

So now I'm dumb and it's not bad writing?
What you think is not what is displayed in the movie. Sentinel is a largely inconsistent character. If you fill in the gaps on your own, of course it's easy to under stand.
Why does Sentinel

-Not take the Matrix
-Hang around with the Autobots
-Kill Ironhide
-Not kill Optimus
-Attempt to kill Optimus and all Autobots
-Go to Chicago
-Have parts of chicago destroyed
-Plan to use humans to rebuild cybertron
-Have humans senseless killed
-Wait 15 hours before activating the pillars
-Stand around in plain sight

The biggest problem with Sentinel is people trying to explain a character as if he has some depth, when he's really just a shallow villain. This guy is bi-polar or something. Really, he is a tool of Michael Bay to accomplish actions scenes. They came up with all the action scenes and such first, and tried to make a story fit it. Sentinel is not a well developed character. If you see more than that it's certainly not in the movie.

Screamfleet wrote:So now I'm dumb and it's not bad writing?
What you think is not what is displayed in the movie. Sentinel is a largely inconsistent character. If you fill in the gaps on your own, of course it's easy to under stand.
Why does Sentinel

-Not take the Matrix
-Hang around with the Autobots
-Kill Ironhide
-Not kill Optimus
-Attempt to kill Optimus and all Autobots
-Go to Chicago
-Have parts of chicago destroyed
-Plan to use humans to rebuild cybertron
-Have humans senseless killed
-Wait 15 hours before activating the pillars
-Stand around in plain sight

The biggest problem with Sentinel is people trying to explain a character as if he has some depth, when he's really just a shallow villain. This guy is bi-polar or something. Really, he is a tool of Michael Bay to accomplish actions scenes. They came up with all the action scenes and such first, and tried to make a story fit it. Sentinel is not a well developed character. If you see more than that it's certainly not in the movie.

I never said you were dumb. Just that your coment was dumb. But one thing is obvious, you didn't read my post, cause half of your questions were addressed. And most of them aren't assumptions, but things taken right out from the movie. So this leads me to believe that you either weren't paying attention, or just didn't want to care in the first place. But just so were clear, lets go through everything you seam to have a hard time figuring out...

1.- As i said before, its suggested in the movie, that he is not proud of what he is doing. This is evendent by him asking Optimus for forgivness right before he activates the pillars. He knew what he was going to do already, so he proabably didn't feel worthy of accepting the Matrix. And becides, i don't see how it could have benifted him anyhow.

2.- When he woke up, he had no clue were he was. He didn't even know what planet he was on. He had to make sure that the plan was still in motion. The apearing on the freeway suggest that the plan was still in motion. All he needed to do now was get back to the hanger and retrieve the 5 pillars.

3.-Ironhide just took out the Dreads. He is the Autobots weapons speacialist, and next to Optimus, presumably, there best warrior. Thus, the one that could possible stop Sentinel. Bottom line Ironhide stood in the way, and was an eaasy target.

4.-Now this part i'm confuzed a bit.. Are you referring to the hanger scene when he turned, or when they were fighting? Cause he wasn't at the hanger when he turned, and he was going to kill him, but Megatron saved him when he shot Sentinel in the back

5.-um.. Cause the battle was in chicago?


6.-He didn't directly have Chicago destroyed. That was the decepticons. And the point was to iliminate any possible human interferance and creat a perimiter. If you remember, the con ships shot down any aircraft that approuched the cirt, and killed any humans on the ground.

7.-Humans were going to be used as labor. Dude, did you even watch the movie???

8.- See answer number six.

9.- He wanted the Autobots gone. once they were gone (at least once he thought they were gone and destroyed) he began the proccess of activating the pillars. I also believe (and this part i could be wrong, i can't remember exactly) i thik the pillars needed to charge.

10.-Why should he? As far as he knew, the Autobots were gone and he had an intire decpeticon Army to protect him. In his mind, he was "A God" as he even said himself in the movie

All of your views are largely conviluted, since most of your questions were answered by just paying attention to the movie. As for others, this isn't "Toy Story" or "Cars". Not every little aspect is going to be explained to you and at some point, your going to need to fill in some of the blanks yourself. Just because you didn't pay attention doesn't mean others didn't. I'll admit, that one thing that many movie TF's lack is character development, but in this case Sentinel Prime defneatly wasn't one of them.

It's funny you ask if I watched the movie, when there's things you didn't pick up on yourself. I don't care what's been "suggested", it should have been in the movie.
I clearly did watch the movie, but I'm done with you talking down to me and being disrespectful. You don't want to have a civil discussion fine, good day to you.
Please, don't bother trying to explain anything for my benefit. I know you're not, you're doing it for yourself. Why even bother explaining things to me if you're not going to respect me?

My intent of calling your coment "dumb" was not to insult you. But after looking back, i can see how it would have been perceved that way. For that i apoligise. I also did not mean to talk down to you in any way. Not sure how you got that from my post. I was mearly asking questions and responding to yours. But i was sencere in when i asked if you had watched the movie. Cause many of your questions were simple and were clearly explained

Screamfleet wrote:It's funny you ask if I watched the movie, when there's things you didn't pick up on yourself. I don't care what's been "suggested", it should have been in the movie.

Ok, such as? The only points that i concluded to on my own was why Sentinel didn't take the matrix. I guess also the reason for killing Ironhide. And since I brought it up, i will admit that part of it was to give the audience that "shock" of "Oh my god!..He's a traitor!"

Screamfleet wrote:I clearly did watch the movie, but I'm done with you talking down to me and being disrespectful. You don't want to have a civil discussion fine, good day to you.
Please, don't bother trying to explain anything for my benefit. I know you're not, you're doing it for yourself. Why even bother explaining things to me if you're not going to respect me?

Again, it wasn't my intent to be disrespectfull. But it is very fustrating to here aurguments that for the most part, have already been explained. And on top of that, basicly tell people that its not possible to come to any conclusion based on the movie alone. As i said before, if you simpley don't like the way Bay made Sentinel Prime, then thats fine. But to acuse him of just using him around "explosions" is an inaccurate aurgument.