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1. It means these movies are designed for idiots.

For the record, just because you don't like something doesn't give you the right to come onto these forums and insult people who think differently from you.

A lot of people go to the movies for an escape from reality, to relax, to be entertained, that doesn't make them idiots.

[Cthulhunicron]

I personally think that people hate the TF movies because it's 'cool' to hate them and because critics like to crap on Michael Bay.

Then you personally have no idea what you're talking about.

I prefer my movies without plot points that include robot piss, dogs humping, weird racists robots, racist depictions of most black characters on screen, gay sex in bathroom stall jokes, humans that all act like they are cocaine all the time, and endless amounts of irrelevant plot threads and characters who have no bearing on the story.

These movies go beyond dumb. They are assaultively stupid. It's terrible news for people who like good movies that these continue to be successful. Of course in a world where people can't get enough of Kim and Kanye, I guess it shouldn't be surprising that people pay for this garbage.

Well said!

[chivesbot20]

I love the movies Its the reason im a fan. Critics will never change my mind and honestly shouldnt change a movie goers mind either. I love the robot action and these are my favorite movies of all time. The human stuff i think just develops the plot, and im not a fan for most of the human stuff, i am for the actual transformers. Ive cried for days because i am unable to see AOE for 1 more day, but it looks and sounds great

[Clunker]

I made a huge post earlier which I now think was tldr material lol overall I was just saying they complicated the movie by having to many aspects to cover but still spent to much on the human aspect.

[chivesbot20]

I get what Clunker said. The humans should be considered in the plot but there is a a lot more "importance" or "emphasis" on the humans. They should be considered as the least important or the less focused race or facion during the films. But remember whos involved and, not that its bad, but michael bay and hollywood friends. Any mover goer is gonna catch in the trailer most likely first Mark and second optimus.Sooooo.......ya

[SlyTF1]

I was just thinking, and I came up with a theory for the sequel. What if KSI, or whoever's behind the man made TFs now puts Attanger's body inside of Lockdown's body to sustain his life? Just like they did with Silas and Breakdown in TFP.

[Autobot032]

I was just thinking, and I came up with a theory for the sequel. What if KSI, or whoever's behind the man made TFs now puts Attanger's body inside of Lockdown's body to sustain his life? Just like they did with Silas and Breakdown in TFP.

I think that would make a LOT of fans angry. It's made them mad enough that the film series has borrowed from past storylines as it already has, but something like that? A straight up ripoff? Oh, I think that'd get people upset.

Critics especially.

Plus with the damage sustained to both, I doubt you could make it work, really. In the scenario you're presenting, the source material had one of those two still alive, barely, but still alive.

Taking two dead and making one whole new life just doesn't seem feasible in this universe. Plus with all the talk of souls, etc, it just won't work. I get where you're coming from, though.

[Sabrblade]

I was just thinking, and I came up with a theory for the sequel. What if KSI, or whoever's behind the man made TFs now puts Attanger's body inside of Lockdown's body to sustain his life? Just like they did with Silas and Breakdown in TFP.

That would be very unoriginal and uninspiring.

And like Autobot 032 said, it wouldn't make sense since both were already dead while Silas was still somewhat alive. KSI doesn't have the power to breathe life into lifelessness. They're not God.

[SlyTF1]

I was just thinking, and I came up with a theory for the sequel. What if KSI, or whoever's behind the man made TFs now puts Attanger's body inside of Lockdown's body to sustain his life? Just like they did with Silas and Breakdown in TFP.

I think that would make a LOT of fans angry. It's made them mad enough that the film series has borrowed from past storylines as it already has, but something like that? A straight up ripoff? Oh, I think that'd get people upset.

Critics especially.

Plus with the damage sustained to both, I doubt you could make it work, really. In the scenario you're presenting, the source material had one of those two still alive, barely, but still alive.

Taking two dead and making one whole new life just doesn't seem feasible in this universe. Plus with all the talk of souls, etc, it just won't work. I get where you're coming from, though.

But, they could work a way where Attinger isn't dead. I mean, the movie didn't show a big gaping hole in his chest, but a bloody wound. What if he survived and is just comatose or something?

[Sabrblade]

I was just thinking, and I came up with a theory for the sequel. What if KSI, or whoever's behind the man made TFs now puts Attanger's body inside of Lockdown's body to sustain his life? Just like they did with Silas and Breakdown in TFP.

I think that would make a LOT of fans angry. It's made them mad enough that the film series has borrowed from past storylines as it already has, but something like that? A straight up ripoff? Oh, I think that'd get people upset.

Critics especially.

Plus with the damage sustained to both, I doubt you could make it work, really. In the scenario you're presenting, the source material had one of those two still alive, barely, but still alive.

Taking two dead and making one whole new life just doesn't seem feasible in this universe. Plus with all the talk of souls, etc, it just won't work. I get where you're coming from, though.

But, they could work a way where Attinger isn't dead. I mean, the movie didn't show a big gaping hole in his chest, but a bloody wound. What if he survived and is just comatose or something?

How likely is it that an ordinary human would have survived a close range (not a pointblank range, but still very near) plasma blast fired from a TF-sized cannon wielded by a gunner shooting to kill?

You'd have to work in something like magic or divine powers to explain his not being dead.

[SlyTF1]

I was just thinking, and I came up with a theory for the sequel. What if KSI, or whoever's behind the man made TFs now puts Attanger's body inside of Lockdown's body to sustain his life? Just like they did with Silas and Breakdown in TFP.

I think that would make a LOT of fans angry. It's made them mad enough that the film series has borrowed from past storylines as it already has, but something like that? A straight up ripoff? Oh, I think that'd get people upset.

Critics especially.

Plus with the damage sustained to both, I doubt you could make it work, really. In the scenario you're presenting, the source material had one of those two still alive, barely, but still alive.

Taking two dead and making one whole new life just doesn't seem feasible in this universe. Plus with all the talk of souls, etc, it just won't work. I get where you're coming from, though.

But, they could work a way where Attinger isn't dead. I mean, the movie didn't show a big gaping hole in his chest, but a bloody wound. What if he survived and is just comatose or something?

How likely is it that an ordinary human would have survived a close range (not a pointblank range, but still very near) plasma blast fired from a TF-sized cannon wielded by a gunner shooting to kill?

You'd have to work in something like magic or divine powers to explain his not being dead.

The same guys who survived getting shot by Optimus earlier in the movie. It looked like the blast just hit in front of him, and like from a grenade, the shrapnel is what knocked him back and caused all those bloody spots on his chest. If they wanted to, I bet they could go with that. I'm not saying that's what happened, but the writers could spin it that way in the sequel.

[Sabrblade]

The same guys who survived getting shot by Optimus earlier in the movie.

Prime didn't fire on the bodies of the Cemetary Wind soldiers. He fired at the ground in front of their feet, knocking them back and away without killing them.

Speaking of which, the first time I saw the movie, I too thought he was shooting them directly. But upon viewing the movie a second time, I realized that there are actually a lot of places in this movie in which Optimus holds back and restrains himself from harming humans to his fullest extent. His shooting Attinger was really the first and only time in this movie in which he cuts loose and goes for the kill on a human being.

Another case of this is when he first reactivates in Cade's barn. Though he was screaming "I'll kill you!" upon his awakening, two things I didn't catch the first time about his initial brief rampage stood out to me on the second viewing. The first was that he didn't seem to be in his right mind. He acted as though he thought he was still in the midst of the ambush Cemetery Wind and Lockdown launched on him in New Mexico. So he wasn't really saying it to Cade/Tessa/Lucas.

The second was that, after he screamed his initial death threats, he seemed to take stock in his new surroundings and gave a warning to Cade/Tessa/Lucas with "Stay back!" And then he knocks Lucas aside with his cannon with a, while painful, nonlethal force. Had he really been as committed to his cries for murder towards Cade/Tessa/Lucas, I doubt he wouldn't have just murdered them right there on the spot instead of merely threatening them with is cannon without shooting them first.

So in a way, viewing the movie a second time showed me that Prime wasn't quite as murder-crazy (towards humans, at least) as I initially thought.

It looked like the blast just hit in front of him, and like from a grenade, the shrapnel is what knocked him back and caused all those bloody spots on his chest. If they wanted to, I bet they could go with that. I'm not saying that's what happened, but the writers could spin it that way in the sequel.

It looked like that because it was a CGI blast. They couldn't really kill Kelsey Grammer and so it looks like that because the actor reacting to something that wasn't really there.

[VirusCarnage]

I personally think that people hate the TF movies because it's 'cool' to hate them and because critics like to crap on Michael Bay.

Then you personally have no idea what you're talking about.

I prefer my movies without plot points that include robot piss, dogs humping, weird racists robots, racist depictions of most black characters on screen, gay sex in bathroom stall jokes, humans that all act like they are cocaine all the time, and endless amounts of irrelevant plot threads and characters who have no bearing on the story.

These movies go beyond dumb. They are assaultively stupid. It's terrible news for people who like good movies that these continue to be successful. Of course in a world where people can't get enough of Kim and Kanye, I guess it shouldn't be surprising that people pay for this garbage.

Lol? So let me get this straight because you don't agree with my opinion it means I have no idea what I'm talking about?

[cruizerdave]

Fine. I'm sorry I offended so many by saying these movies are designed for idiots.

What I meant to express is that these films are low brow.

I think that's a fair statement. Any series of films that gains humor from piss, masturbation, dogs humping, porno-robot girl, "bros before hoes," bathroom stall sex misunderstanding, black guy working at da butcher shop to get money to fix his teeth is low brow.

So yeah, you are not an idiot for liking these films. However, they are low brow, which is what I meant when I said they appeal to the lowest common denominator.

[cruizerdave]

I personally think that people hate the TF movies because it's 'cool' to hate them and because critics like to crap on Michael Bay.

Then you personally have no idea what you're talking about.

I prefer my movies without plot points that include robot piss, dogs humping, weird racists robots, racist depictions of most black characters on screen, gay sex in bathroom stall jokes, humans that all act like they are cocaine all the time, and endless amounts of irrelevant plot threads and characters who have no bearing on the story.

These movies go beyond dumb. They are assaultively stupid. It's terrible news for people who like good movies that these continue to be successful. Of course in a world where people can't get enough of Kim and Kanye, I guess it shouldn't be surprising that people pay for this garbage.

Lol? So let me get this straight because you don't agree with my opinion it means I have no idea what I'm talking about?

No, my point was that you were discounting everyone who doesn't like these films by saying it's some kind of desire to be cool rather than honestly just not liking them. Let me assure you the feelings of not liking Bayformers are very much genuine. That's what I meant when I said you don't know what you're talking about. Not liking these movies has nothing to do with wanting to be cool.

[BERSEKAEL]

When something is really good, as is AoE, lot of haters try to push it down.

Does anybody remember the Oscar 2012, there was a movie that won in front of transformers, I don't even remember the name of that movie.... oh ya I just google it, "Hugo" a wtf movie with "mediocre" Visual Effects, small cast of actors and minimal scenography, I watch it to have my own opinion, a bad boring movie even the sound/music was flat boring, besides it won some oscars and them dissapear from the world... cuz bad movie. There are a lot of haters even on those Hollywood circles, and the fact Mr. Bay has become one important figure, has opened lot of frustrated people'eyes whom don't like it/him.

I saw AoE twice already, can't wait for the blueray, Amazing work there.

[cruizerdave]

1. It means these movies are designed for idiots.

For the record, just because you don't like something doesn't give you the right to come onto these forums and insult people who think differently from you.

A lot of people go to the movies for an escape from reality, to relax, to be entertained, that doesn't make them idiots.

Let me apologize for inferring that people that like these movies are idiots. That was not a nice thing for me to do.

For the record, I like plenty of movies that were designed for idiots — the latest Star Trek, the last GI Joe, the Star Wars prequels.

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[SlyTF1]

The same guys who survived getting shot by Optimus earlier in the movie.

Prime didn't fire on the bodies of the Cemetary Wind soldiers. He fired at the ground in front of their feet, knocking them back and away without killing them.

Speaking of which, the first time I saw the movie, I too thought he was shooting them directly. But upon viewing the movie a second time, I realized that there are actually a lot of places in this movie in which Optimus holds back and restrains himself from harming humans to his fullest extent. His shooting Attinger was really the first and only time in this movie in which he cuts loose and goes for the kill on a human being.

Another case of this is when he first reactivates in Cade's barn. Though he was screaming "I'll kill you!" upon his awakening, two things I didn't catch the first time about his initial brief rampage stood out to me on the second viewing. The first was that he didn't seem to be in his right mind. He acted as though he thought he was still in the midst of the ambush Cemetery Wind and Lockdown launched on him in New Mexico. So he wasn't really saying it to Cade/Tessa/Lucas.

The second was that, after he screamed his initial death threats, he seemed to take stock in his new surroundings and gave a warning to Cade/Tessa/Lucas with "Stay back!" And then he knocks Lucas aside with his cannon with a, while painful, nonlethal force. Had he really been as committed to his cries for murder towards Cade/Tessa/Lucas, I doubt he wouldn't have just murdered them right there on the spot instead of merely threatening them with is cannon without shooting them first.

So in a way, viewing the movie a second time showed me that Prime wasn't quite as murder-crazy (towards humans, at least) as I initially thought.

It looked like the blast just hit in front of him, and like from a grenade, the shrapnel is what knocked him back and caused all those bloody spots on his chest. If they wanted to, I bet they could go with that. I'm not saying that's what happened, but the writers could spin it that way in the sequel.

It looked like that because it was a CGI blast. They couldn't really kill Kelsey Grammer and so it looks like that because the actor reacting to something that wasn't really there.

I noticed that he didn't shoot those people when I first watched the trailer. So, I was thinking he could have done the same thing to Attanger. And I know they couldn't kill him, but you can make anything look like it actually happened in a movie.

[Burn]

You'd have to work in something like magic or divine powers to explain his not being dead.

So you're saying that they'd really need to stretch to make people believe that something alien could resurrect a dead human?

'cause that's never been done in the Transformer live action movies before.

[SKYWARPED_128]

I was just thinking, and I came up with a theory for the sequel. What if KSI, or whoever's behind the man made TFs now puts Attanger's body inside of Lockdown's body to sustain his life? Just like they did with Silas and Breakdown in TFP.

That would be very unoriginal and uninspiring.

And like Autobot 032 said, it wouldn't make sense since both were already dead while Silas was still somewhat alive. KSI doesn't have the power to breathe life into lifelessness. They're not God.

There's also the question of willingness. Wasn't Tucci's character the head of KSI? Last time I checked, he's had a change of heart by the end of the movie. I don't think he'll consent to reviving two of the previous movie's villains.

But...a script is made to be rewritten and KSI can always be bought over by some other company with less scruples.

[Sabrblade]

I think that's a fair statement. Any series of films that gains humor from piss, masturbation, dogs humping, porno-robot girl, "bros before hoes," bathroom stall sex misunderstanding, black guy working at da butcher shop to get money to fix his teeth is low brow.

I want to say that I am in full agreement in that these kinds of things are completely unnecessary and are sincerely disgusting and don't belong in media designed to market children's toys.

But, I also want to respond to your previous post about how people told you that DOTM didn't have this kind of stuff in it when it still did, so you don't want to fall for the same "trap" when people say that this movie doesn't have that stuff either.

Well, first off, let's look at the DOTM thing from a different angle. While that movie still did have the same vulgarity as ROTF had, it at least didn't have the same amount of it. Objectively speaking, there was a considerably smaller amount of such crudeness in DOTM when compared to the massive quantity that ROTF was overloaded with. So while it is false to say that DOTM didn't have the type of crass content that ROTF, it is at least true to say that DOTM had a lot less of it than ROTF had. So we could at least consider that an improvement (not a huge improvement, but an improvement nonetheless).

And secondly, having said all that, I want to tell you honestly that AOE... might have some of the same kind of crudeness in it. I use the more vague word "might" instead of a more absolute term like "does" or "doesn't" because, despite my having seen the film twice, and despite my distaste for vulgarity keeping me from forgetting the crudness in ROTF and DOTM, I honestly cannot recall any scene in AOE that contained this kind of content.

The closest I can think of is one point where the camera zooms in on actress Nicola Peltz's rear end, but it wasn't done for the sake of giving us a butt shot. Rather, it was a quick shot done to have Mark Wahlberg make a disapproving comment about her short shorts. Yes, the main protagonist in this Michael Bay movie written by the same guy who wrote ROTF and DOTM, is an advocate for decency and against sexual fanservice. And this isn't done as a means to appease the viewers who disliked the indecency of the previous films, but as a tie in to his character being an overprotective father who wants his daughter to stay pure all through high school. And every time a character makes a comment about his daughter's looks, he reacts accordingly, further expressing his distaste for people thinking dirty thoughts about his daughter.

The point I'm trying to get to is that when people say that this movie is light on the crudeness, they wholeheartedly are not pulling your leg like what happened to you with DOTM. This movie, this Michael Bay movie of all things, is surprisingly subdued on the grossness that plagued ROTF. There is virtually no toilet humor, no indecently exposed body parts, no pornographic content, none of that. There is one black woman who some might find a bit stereotypical, but it was a bit that was practically tame compared to the previous ones, and managed to put not her but Wahlberg in a negative light (other scenes redeem him, though). There's also another guy who people might call a "white surfer stereotype", but he's not nearly as loathsome as, say, Leo and he's... well, I'll just say that he's a minor role.

The only things that this movie has against it in a moralistic view are those that emphasize not grossness, but darkness. This is the most violent TF movie yet, with some shocking deaths in it that were a bit more intense than they needed to be. And Optimus is darker, more openly willing to commit murders to his foes. In the previous films, he would speak of freedom and peace one moment while brutally murdering his opponents the next. Here, though, his words match his actions with him regularly using the words "kill" and "die" in an aggressive manner. And the other Autobots are ALL jerks and maniacs (but many still find some of them likable).

So, in a way, it's like this movie traded out the grossness of the previous films for an extra dose of hostility and bloodlust. I don't want to completely say that it's a "cleaner" movie, but maybe "neater" would be a better term. It's certainly more "mature" in regards to diminishing the crass grossness, but swapped out that crudeness for being more "dark and serious".

[SKYWARPED_128]

So, in a way, it's like this movie traded out the grossness of the previous films for an extra dose of hostility and bloodlust. I don't want to completely say that it's a "cleaner" movie, but maybe "neater" would be a better term. It's certainly more "mature" in regards to diminishing the crass grossness, but swapped out that crudeness for being more "dark and serious".

I'll gladly take dark over gross any day.

[OptimalOptimus2]

I like the changed tone of the discussion. Thank you Autobot032. You have "saved the day."

I was just thinking, and I came up with a theory for the sequel. What if KSI, or whoever's behind the man made TFs now puts Attanger's body inside of Lockdown's body to sustain his life? Just like they did with Silas and Breakdown in TFP.

That really wouldn't work at all. I was thinking about having Hot Rod/Rodimus, Ultra Magnus, Kup, and Blurr arrive to Earth to help the Autobots with their problem with the Decepticons as Optimus Prime arrives on Quintessa to reason with his creators. Plus, the Dinobots can have a reappearance and they have personality and can talk. The idea you have proposed seems great, but it's a total rip-off of something recent. Mine is a bit of one, but I don't think it'll make fans and critics angry...

[OptimalOptimus2]

This is a double post. Can someone explain why I had double posts?

[Skywarp64]

I was thinking about having Hot Rod/Rodimus, Ultra Magnus, Kup, and Blurr arrive to Earth to help the Autobots with their problem with the Decepticons as Optimus Prime arrives on Quintessa to reason with his creators.

So not Springer and Arcee?