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mr.terrific wrote:

Tyrannotaur wrote:The First movie in the series is always better than the second. Very few exceptions to that rule (Dark knight, Spider-man 2). I don't think G.I. Joe 2 will be as good as ROC.

Actually, it is usually the reverse. Having established the protagonist(s) in the first film and secured the necessary financial success to warrant an increased budget, most sequels end up being better than the original.

Examples beyond Dark Knight and Spider-Man II? Empire Strikes Back. Star Trek II (Wrath of Khan). Superman II. X-Men II. Blade II. Batman Returns. It's the third film in a franchise that is usually problematic.

Sad that Transformers II: Electric Boogalo failed to live up to this rule. Given how bad this film was, Rise of Cobra would have to be full of suck not to be a better film. The bar is so, so low.

You mentioned something important.
Since this is the first Joe movie,shouldtn people compare it with the 2007 movie?

TulioDude wrote:

mr.terrific wrote:

Tyrannotaur wrote:The First movie in the series is always better than the second. Very few exceptions to that rule (Dark knight, Spider-man 2). I don't think G.I. Joe 2 will be as good as ROC.

Actually, it is usually the reverse. Having established the protagonist(s) in the first film and secured the necessary financial success to warrant an increased budget, most sequels end up being better than the original.

Examples beyond Dark Knight and Spider-Man II? Empire Strikes Back. Star Trek II (Wrath of Khan). Superman II. X-Men II. Blade II. Batman Returns. It's the third film in a franchise that is usually problematic.

Sad that Transformers II: Electric Boogalo failed to live up to this rule. Given how bad this film was, Rise of Cobra would have to be full of suck not to be a better film. The bar is so, so low.

You mentioned something important.
Since this is the first Joe movie,shouldtn people compare it with the 2007 movie?

of course they should!! They're only comparing ROTF & Joe b/c they're both Paramount and hasbro properties

Got to get tough....go Joe!
Got to get tough....go JOE!


I hope Sgt Slaughter makes a cameo!

I have mixed feelings about this film....I'm keeping my expectations low however...but if this movie hits Van Helsing levels of redic (Meaning tons of cheesy wire work for any number of fighting scenes and an accelerator suit catching a missle while grabbing on to the propeller of a Apache propelling said "Joe" towards the enemy and then using the missle in his hand to destroy 3 enemy Raptors because they're in a certain convenient flight formation) I'm probably going to leave and sneak into The Hangover or some other film.

As far as being better then Revenge of the Fallen....I'll say it wont be a tough feat. It probably wont make nearly as much money, which people may view as being successful or better then a particular film (Which isn't the case. Indiana Jones KOCS grossed more then any of the previous films....but was in my opinions horrible and deserves to be wiped from memory). But if anything Waynes may not annoy me as much as the Binks Twins in which case I can just focus on how cool Snakeyes looks. But I swear if he says one word!!!!!

Laters,
Josh

I finally saw ROC on netflix. My expectations were really, really, low. I couldn't find the first X-files movie or silent hill, so I settled.

I was surprised. Bad points first. Obviously a movie where acting or plot isn't somthing to be too concerned about, and it didn't leave any big impression. But it also didn't bore me, leading me to drift and stop paying attention, and then get confused by the story.

The good points: Tons of action, all very satisfying and lengthy with lots of clear shots of what exactlys happening, even in the early night time action scene, where night time usually ruins action scenes. Cobra was really cool from the start, Destro was alright, but became more interesting towards the end. The humour didn't seem lame or forced, but, as someone else mentioned, like the cartoon come to life.

The level of fun was always there, never stopping the eye candy to cut away to long boring Goverment HQ scenes. Snake-eyes and Stormshadow both got to tell their story without interupting the movie. Everything was very fluent in regards to story telling, and in some instances I was surprised. For example: When the 3 rockets launched, Snake-eyes was quick enough to atleast take down one... They could have just had 2 rockets launch, and no mini action scene there.

Okay, so the CGI is noticeable, but I honestly didn't even care, since the actual animation in the action scenes were exciting and energetic. I could almost imagine i'm watching a CGI movie without feeling detached from the main focus here, which is 'fun'.

Overall, much better than ROTF considering its along the same lines in regards to the subject matter being so pliable. In fact, this is exactly how ROTF or any of the other TF movies should have been. It validates my point that I would easily trade crappier cgi for more exciting and longer on screen action. Never once did the movie stop being about the Joes or Cobra and Destro.

Right on. I agree. I wanted TF to be more like this - a good balance of action and story. Especially loved the use of flashbacks. There wasn't too much, and it provided for great character development (something TF sorely lacked). Yes, the CG was rushed/subpar in some small parts, but that's really one of the only negatives I can think of.

I hope GI Joe 2 doesn't suck, b/c Sommers is not doing it. It's gonna be the guy who directed Justin Bieber's last movie. They only hired him b/c he can shoot 3D & they want to $ grub. All movies don't need to be in 3D for chrissake!!!! arrgggghhhhhh

ROTF > GI Joe x infinity.

vectorA3 wrote:Right on. I agree. I wanted TF to be more like this - a good balance of action and story. Especially loved the use of flashbacks. There wasn't too much, and it provided for great character development (something TF sorely lacked). Yes, the CG was rushed/subpar in some small parts, but that's really one of the only negatives I can think of.

I hope GI Joe 2 doesn't suck, b/c Sommers is not doing it. It's gonna be the guy who directed Justin Bieber's last movie. They only hired him b/c he can shoot 3D & they want to $ grub. All movies don't need to be in 3D for chrissake!!!! arrgggghhhhhh

Ah, thats kind of a shame. I'm not a big fan of Sommers; I actually didn't even know who he was until this movie. But he managed to create a really good mix between action choreography, and everything else needed in a movie like this. I'm betting it won't be as good without him.

Yea, 3D really is annoying. I don't think I've seen a single 3D movie that actually made me prefer it over 2D. All that forced focus on the foreground and blurring out the background... makes things feel so fake as an experiance. The only way 3D would look good is if its a nature documentary.