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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby NuclearConvoy » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:31 am

Paradox Factor wrote:Every time I see a preview for Joe, it just reminds me how there's always something about it I dislike. The first trailer had the pretty badly CG Snake-Eyes doing a backflip over the car. Personally, I was looking forward to seeing Ray Park as Snake-Eyes, not a bad looking computer effect. I'll admit though I am a bit biased on the real vs CG argument. 99% of hte time I can spot CG, and this time especially I think doing it real, or even mixed (real backflip compositied into the shot) would have looked better.


Likewise. I think that people should always be real stuntmen unless absolutely impossible in a film. CGI humans, 90% of the time, just do not move the way a real person does. Look at Blade II, with the fight infront of the big UV Lamps, or the Matrix II, with Neo vs a million Smiths...both look bad.
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby Bumblebeast » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:36 pm

In fact, some of the film is quite good.


:slaps forehead:

What's with the Bay-bashing these days ?

Transformers 2 didn't live up to the good things we saw in TF 1. But there's no need to compare GIJoe to TF2; if GIJoe is gonna be any good it has to be good on its own merits.

I'm probably not going to see GIJoe because i wasn't a fan of the series, that's the only reason. If i go i'll go with friends to see The Baroness. :grin:

Now Avatar: that is gonna be better than Revenge of The Fallen. :roll:
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby Wheeljack35 » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:48 pm

You still could pay me enough to see this movie

I would rather for it to hit cable next year
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby Neurie » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:30 pm

Erm well it could possibly do better opening than ROTF in the US as america does have it fixation with the military and liking to think its the worlds police, but when your talking number you have to remember the box office total will be for world wide numbers which is the one to bet. Studios are a bit too domestic centric.

Sadly I do not think that the take will be that great in non US teritories, GI Joes as a world wide brand is just not that big,. Large parts of Asia, the middle east hell even Europe havent had GI Joe toys since the early 90's let alone any thing else.

Im hard pressed to think of many comic shops that stock the nontransformer comics for the Joes.

Im also guessing it may get limited releaes in coutries such as Latvia, Lituania, Macedonia and certain other ex soviet block countries and it may not get released at all in other less than friendly to the US countries.

I personally will go see it as will my Russian girl friend (she loves trashy blow stuff up American pop corn flicks, she loved ROTF). Trying to get her to come to botcon next year.
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby NuclearConvoy » Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:45 pm

Neurie wrote:Erm well it could possibly do better opening than ROTF in the US as america does have it fixation with the military and liking to think its the worlds police, but when your talking number you have to remember the box office total will be for world wide numbers which is the one to bet. Studios are a bit too domestic centric.

Sadly I do not think that the take will be that great in non US teritories, GI Joes as a world wide brand is just not that big,. Large parts of Asia, the middle east hell even Europe havent had GI Joe toys since the early 90's let alone any thing else.

Im hard pressed to think of many comic shops that stock the nontransformer comics for the Joes.

Im also guessing it may get limited releaes in coutries such as Latvia, Lituania, Macedonia and certain other ex soviet block countries and it may not get released at all in other less than friendly to the US countries.

I personally will go see it as will my Russian girl friend (she loves trashy blow stuff up American pop corn flicks, she loved ROTF). Trying to get her to come to botcon next year.


Every comic shop I've been to in Canada carries GIJoe stuff. I'd be willing to bet on Mexico having a fair liking of it too. And, of course, GIJoe, as Action Force, has a storied history in Britain.
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby Megatron Wolf » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:45 pm

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Basically anything is going to be better then ROTF. The trailers for this movie look good and the cast is pretty decent but after seeing the power suits and the way Cobra looks im not to sure. Im not going to pass full judgment until i see it but after seeing ROTF, im going to go into GIJOE with absolutely no expectations at all. Well maybe some since the acting should be good unlike TF. I will say this though, after seeing Resolute no GIJOE is ever going to be better.
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby DetectiveFork » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:18 pm

Mechastrike wrote:one thing i don't like about G.I. Joe is that i probably can't relate with their Real American Heroes.(truth be told I'M ASIAN).


The Joe team had a few Asian characters, like Quick-Kick and Budo, and they were likable, but all had a martial arts specialty. You didn't see an Asian Joe who, for example, was a bazooka soldier and didn't seem to know a spin-kick from a headlock. Not an unusual situation for the 80's, but some more diversity would have been nice. You have to at least give the creators of the cartoon credit for making Quick-Kick obviously an American - I think he talked kind of like a surfer - and not a total stereotype.

But yeah, if you actually lived in any other country but the U.S., I can imagine you, no matter your nationality, not relating well to G.I. Joe, lol.
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby tricky » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:26 am

I was pretty excited about this till they cast Dennis Quaid as Duke. Still looks pretty good but at the same time my TF obsession and GiJoe obsession are completely separate and have nothing to do with each other at all.

No comparison between this and ROTF. That was awesome. Perfect addition to the non G1 first film. Did not expect more than that.
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby First Gen » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:23 am

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tricky wrote:I was pretty excited about this till they cast Dennis Quaid as Duke. Still looks pretty good but at the same time my TF obsession and GiJoe obsession are completely separate and have nothing to do with each other at all.

No comparison between this and ROTF. That was awesome. Perfect addition to the non G1 first film. Did not expect more than that.


Just so there's no confusion, Dennis Quaid is playing the part of General Hawk and Channing Tatum is playing Duke. I can't think of a better person to play Hawk. He looks just like him.
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby fairplaythings » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:31 am

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Tyrannotaur wrote:The First movie in the series is always better than the second. Very few exceptions to that rule (Dark knight, Spider-man 2). I don't think G.I. Joe 2 will be as good as ROC.


Actually, it is usually the reverse. Having established the protagonist(s) in the first film and secured the necessary financial success to warrant an increased budget, most sequels end up being better than the original.

Examples beyond Dark Knight and Spider-Man II? Empire Strikes Back. Star Trek II (Wrath of Khan). Superman II. X-Men II. Blade II. Batman Returns. It's the third film in a franchise that is usually problematic.

Sad that Transformers II: Electric Boogalo failed to live up to this rule. Given how bad this film was, Rise of Cobra would have to be full of suck not to be a better film. The bar is so, so low.
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby TulioDude » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:13 pm

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Tyrannotaur wrote:The First movie in the series is always better than the second. Very few exceptions to that rule (Dark knight, Spider-man 2). I don't think G.I. Joe 2 will be as good as ROC.


Actually, it is usually the reverse. Having established the protagonist(s) in the first film and secured the necessary financial success to warrant an increased budget, most sequels end up being better than the original.

Examples beyond Dark Knight and Spider-Man II? Empire Strikes Back. Star Trek II (Wrath of Khan). Superman II. X-Men II. Blade II. Batman Returns. It's the third film in a franchise that is usually problematic.

Sad that Transformers II: Electric Boogalo failed to live up to this rule. Given how bad this film was, Rise of Cobra would have to be full of suck not to be a better film. The bar is so, so low.

You mentioned something important.
Since this is the first Joe movie,shouldtn people compare it with the 2007 movie?
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Postby vectorA3 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:32 pm

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TulioDude wrote:
mr.terrific wrote:
Tyrannotaur wrote:The First movie in the series is always better than the second. Very few exceptions to that rule (Dark knight, Spider-man 2). I don't think G.I. Joe 2 will be as good as ROC.


Actually, it is usually the reverse. Having established the protagonist(s) in the first film and secured the necessary financial success to warrant an increased budget, most sequels end up being better than the original.

Examples beyond Dark Knight and Spider-Man II? Empire Strikes Back. Star Trek II (Wrath of Khan). Superman II. X-Men II. Blade II. Batman Returns. It's the third film in a franchise that is usually problematic.

Sad that Transformers II: Electric Boogalo failed to live up to this rule. Given how bad this film was, Rise of Cobra would have to be full of suck not to be a better film. The bar is so, so low.

You mentioned something important.
Since this is the first Joe movie,shouldtn people compare it with the 2007 movie?


of course they should!! They're only comparing ROTF & Joe b/c they're both Paramount and hasbro properties
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby Joshua Vallse » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:55 am

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I hope Sgt Slaughter makes a cameo! :D

I have mixed feelings about this film....I'm keeping my expectations low however...but if this movie hits Van Helsing levels of redic (Meaning tons of cheesy wire work for any number of fighting scenes and an accelerator suit catching a missle while grabbing on to the propeller of a Apache propelling said "Joe" towards the enemy and then using the missle in his hand to destroy 3 enemy Raptors because they're in a certain convenient flight formation) I'm probably going to leave and sneak into The Hangover or some other film.

As far as being better then Revenge of the Fallen....I'll say it wont be a tough feat. It probably wont make nearly as much money, which people may view as being successful or better then a particular film (Which isn't the case. Indiana Jones KOCS grossed more then any of the previous films....but was in my opinions horrible and deserves to be wiped from memory). But if anything Waynes may not annoy me as much as the Binks Twins in which case I can just focus on how cool Snakeyes looks. But I swear if he says one word!!!!!

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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:47 am

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I finally saw ROC on netflix. My expectations were really, really, low. I couldn't find the first X-files movie or silent hill, so I settled.

I was surprised. Bad points first. Obviously a movie where acting or plot isn't somthing to be too concerned about, and it didn't leave any big impression. But it also didn't bore me, leading me to drift and stop paying attention, and then get confused by the story.

The good points: Tons of action, all very satisfying and lengthy with lots of clear shots of what exactlys happening, even in the early night time action scene, where night time usually ruins action scenes. Cobra was really cool from the start, Destro was alright, but became more interesting towards the end. The humour didn't seem lame or forced, but, as someone else mentioned, like the cartoon come to life.

The level of fun was always there, never stopping the eye candy to cut away to long boring Goverment HQ scenes. Snake-eyes and Stormshadow both got to tell their story without interupting the movie. Everything was very fluent in regards to story telling, and in some instances I was surprised. For example: When the 3 rockets launched, Snake-eyes was quick enough to atleast take down one... They could have just had 2 rockets launch, and no mini action scene there.

Okay, so the CGI is noticeable, but I honestly didn't even care, since the actual animation in the action scenes were exciting and energetic. I could almost imagine i'm watching a CGI movie without feeling detached from the main focus here, which is 'fun'.

Overall, much better than ROTF considering its along the same lines in regards to the subject matter being so pliable. In fact, this is exactly how ROTF or any of the other TF movies should have been. It validates my point that I would easily trade crappier cgi for more exciting and longer on screen action. Never once did the movie stop being about the Joes or Cobra and Destro.
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby vectorA3 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:02 am

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Right on. I agree. I wanted TF to be more like this - a good balance of action and story. Especially loved the use of flashbacks. There wasn't too much, and it provided for great character development (something TF sorely lacked). Yes, the CG was rushed/subpar in some small parts, but that's really one of the only negatives I can think of.

I hope GI Joe 2 doesn't suck, b/c Sommers is not doing it. It's gonna be the guy who directed Justin Bieber's last movie. They only hired him b/c he can shoot 3D & they want to $ grub. All movies don't need to be in 3D for chrissake!!!! arrgggghhhhhh
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Re: AICN Article, Gi Joe Better then Transformers ROTF?

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:11 pm

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vectorA3 wrote:Right on. I agree. I wanted TF to be more like this - a good balance of action and story. Especially loved the use of flashbacks. There wasn't too much, and it provided for great character development (something TF sorely lacked). Yes, the CG was rushed/subpar in some small parts, but that's really one of the only negatives I can think of.

I hope GI Joe 2 doesn't suck, b/c Sommers is not doing it. It's gonna be the guy who directed Justin Bieber's last movie. They only hired him b/c he can shoot 3D & they want to $ grub. All movies don't need to be in 3D for chrissake!!!! arrgggghhhhhh


Ah, thats kind of a shame. I'm not a big fan of Sommers; I actually didn't even know who he was until this movie. But he managed to create a really good mix between action choreography, and everything else needed in a movie like this. I'm betting it won't be as good without him.

Yea, 3D really is annoying. I don't think I've seen a single 3D movie that actually made me prefer it over 2D. All that forced focus on the foreground and blurring out the background... makes things feel so fake as an experiance. The only way 3D would look good is if its a nature documentary.
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