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Alternators: Ravage vs Battle Ravage

Postby Saber Prime » Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:33 pm

To clarify we now have two Altinator Ravages. Battle Ravage goes from car to robot with a panther head (Much like BW Ravage) and the new one goes from a car to a beast.

Ravage is officially the first Alternator with a beast mode. The down side is he's allso the first with no robot mode.

Anyway I'm curious to find out something. Who likes the new Beast mode Ravage more than the old robot mode Ravage? And because I wanna see if there's any conection with G1 vs BW let me know if you allso prefer G1 Ravage over the BW version.

I'll post my opinion on them later, I'm just curious to know what you think right now.
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Postby Gutter Bunny » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:24 pm

lemme start it off then. From what i have seen( i do not own either figure) i prefer beast mode ravage...i also have never owned a single beast wars character if that answers the question on preference.

not to mention the choice in alternate vehicle is slightly more fitting with the alt version being a jag and the BT being a vette(if memory serves me correctly...i dont own the figure)
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Postby Predaprince » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:28 pm

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Postby 0ctane » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:40 pm

G1/ beast (panther) mode for me. i'm not really a fan of beast wars, i prefer vehicles.
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Postby Ravage XK » Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:55 am

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Battle Ravage has his merits. He works on some levels as he has the missile launchers but he is just a cat head on Track's body.

(Beast) Ravage is a direct upgrade to G1 Ravage and despite his skinny body and the poorly placed bonnet of the car in beast mode, he looks great.

I am glad I took the chance on him when I found him.
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Postby TFBuyer » Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:50 am

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Honestly, Battle Ravage's best merits are probably due to the Tracks mold anyway. The missile launchers and the overall design look great on that car and in black. I'd have to go with the beast mode Ravage Alt, then, since it's something truly different and unique. I like G1 Ravage as well.
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Postby Duke of Luns » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:20 am

Don't have either version(but I have Tracks), yet I think the beast Ravage is truly superior. The reason why is because it's more true to the character, and I love it how it doesn't look like any other alts. Just cars can get kind of boring after a few figures, but it's really nice to see they did something to spice it up. Probably my most wanted alt., and I only have four.
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Postby CyberTooth » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:26 am

I think that there was nothing wrong with Battle Ravage, in fact, I think Takara's writer did an excellent job of including details specifically explaining his appearance. Truth be told Beast Wars Ravage's involvment was an excellent way to explain details of the shift from G1 to BT and tie up a number of loose ends.

Considering that Takara was following a story line, it seems logical that none of the BT bodies would go to a Decepticon first. After all, how would it look for a car company to build a body for the enemy? Therefore, that Ravage's body would be stolen much like Swindle's is fine by me.

The only reason I can see for Ravage not being as widely accepted in Hasbro's line is because Hasbro has neglected to create any sort of story to justify the characters they choose.

I like Battle Ravage, his color contrasts stand out and the red detailing make him a far better looking character than Tracks. Also his transformation is smoother has the lack of a roof doesn't result in interference with the windshield.

That being said, I look forward to the new Ravage as well, its a unique transformation that shows ambition Hasbro often lacks.
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Postby Alex Kingdom » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:01 pm

I prefer Battle Ravage because he doesn't look like a walking pile of car parts. A beast mode version of Ravage is a fantastic idea but I personally don't believe it was very well executed. The second Ravage is just a very skinny robot skeleton with a bunch of awkward car parts hanging of him. My opinion has nothing do do with me liking Beast Wars more than G1, it's purely aesthetic.

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Postby Ravage XK » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:48 pm

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Alex Kingdom wrote:I prefer Battle Ravage because he doesn't look like a walking pile of car parts. A beast mode version of Ravage is a fantastic idea but I personally don't believe it was very well executed. The second Ravage is just a very skinny robot skeleton with a bunch of awkward car parts hanging of him. My opinion has nothing do do with me liking Beast Wars more than G1, it's purely aesthetic.

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I agree that "Beast" Ravage could have been put together in a more pleasing way but there is something pretty cool about it when its sat in front of you. Hard to describe really, if you can sort of imagine it moving in a cat like way....He's sort of the first scary alternator.
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Postby Alex Kingdom » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:52 pm

Ravage XK wrote:I agree that "Beast" Ravage could have been put together in a more pleasing way but there is something pretty cool about it when its sat in front of you. Hard to describe really, if you can sort of imagine it moving in a cat like way....He's sort of the first scary alternator.


Indeed and I have to admitt I almost caved and bought one today, however all things concidered I still feel Battle Ravage, or in my case Binaltech Ravage, is the better figure. Also I'm holding out to see if/what Takara do with the mould in Kiss Players, it could be awesome and it will certainly look better in alt-mode!

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Postby Ravage XK » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:55 pm

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Id like to see the Kiss version have a fine sparkle about the paintwork.

I would also like the floor pan to be black instead of grey. It would go a long way towards give him some pseudo bulk.
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Postby Ravage XK » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:36 am

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Stormrider wrote:
Does the Jaguar have printed both Hasbro and Takara as the copyright?

I too like Battle Ravage. He reminds me of the Egyptian God Anubis:



Yes, Hasbro and Takara both appear on the underside of the car.
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Postby Skowl » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:52 am

A like the new Beast Ravage alot better.

The old Corvette one just looked... weird. Like a robot with a cat head for no reason - more like the Beast Wars Ravage from the TV show, if you see it that way, the toy works much better.

I love the new Jaguar Ravage because he's so unique and well done, and he's easily my favourite Alternator to date!
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Postby Alex Kingdom » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:54 am

SKowl wrote:A like the new Beast Ravage alot better.

The old Corvette one just looked... weird. Like a robot with a cat head for no reason - more like the Beast Wars Ravage from the TV show, if you see it that way, the toy works much better.


If you see it that way you'd be seeing it right. BT Ravage was described as being the future version of Ravage (the one from Beast Wars) so you see there is a reason for the cat head.

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Postby Saber Prime » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:13 am

Well I said I would post my opinion at a later time and I think that time has come...

Dispite my original question I myself was not even affected by my likeing BW Ravage more than G1. This question came as an after thought.

I actully like the Beast Mode Ravage Alternator more than the robot mode Ravage. My reasons being...

A. His car mode is a Jag witch allso matches his Japanise name.

B. I didn't like that the original Ravage had a cat head and didn't have a cat mode.

C. Beast Ravage looks a hell of alot more like G1 Ravage than Robot Ravage looks like BW Ravage.

My after thought was basically "Maybe they made this second version to appeal more to the G1 fans?" So I was just wondering if people liking the new version more liked him only because he looks like G1 Ravage. (Well maybe not only because but that's at least part of the reason)

Allso I normally don't like the Transformers who don't have robot modes. It seems most of the characters matching that description were in G1. Oh well I still like this version of Ravage.
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Postby Swoop » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:46 am

Alex Kingdom wrote:I prefer Battle Ravage because he doesn't look like a walking pile of car parts. A beast mode version of Ravage is a fantastic idea but I personally don't believe it was very well executed. The second Ravage is just a very skinny robot skeleton with a bunch of awkward car parts hanging of him. My opinion has nothing do do with me liking Beast Wars more than G1, it's purely aesthetic.

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And that's better than an bot mode which looks like someone's cut up a Corvette and stuck the pieces on a robot body more or less in their original position?
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Postby Alex Kingdom » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:04 am

Swoop wrote:And that's better than an bot mode which looks like someone's cut up a Corvette and stuck the pieces on a robot body more or less in their original position?


Yes because Alt Ravage looks like Battle Ravage might look if he were positioned on all fours, you can see all the car parts hanging off his back. The corvette mould 'hides' all the car parts on the back of the robot mode. Alt Ravage has no where to hide his and what there is is poorly disguised. Basically I believe the designers did as good a job on Ravages robot mode as the did with Battle Ravage but Battle ravage looks better for it. IMO they should have taken more car in where and how they positioned the car parts on the new Ravage.

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Postby Dagon » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:53 am

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I'm going with Beast Ravage, for nearly all of the already stated reasons. Battle Raveage was just Tracks with a paint job and face lift. It was an alright figure, until beast Ravage that is.....
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Postby High Command » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:18 am

I own Battle Ravage, and quite like the figure.
Although Argos are meant to have the new Ravage, they haven't had any stock of him in anywhere near me, although I plan to but him when they do. I think the new mould looks great and it's good to see the homage to his G1 self.
I hope takra announce they'll be releasing him too, before I find one as I'd prefer to get the takara version. Mainly because he'll be Jaguar (Japanese name for Ravage), who turns from a Jaguar (car) into a Jaguar (cat). That appeals to my sense of humour, so I'd probably buy him even if I didn't like the mould very much.
When I do own both of them I'm not sure what to do with Battle Ravage. The two options I'm considering is making him look a bit more like BW Ravage, or making him into the Japanese Brestforce character Jaruga.
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Postby JetfireUK » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:31 am

I have to be one of the minority who prefer BT-11 Ravage to the Alternator Beast.

Like AK I saw the Egyptian connection and thought that had the BT line continued, there could have been a possibility of a Buzzsaw/Laserbeak in a similar vein. You can also make BT-11 sit on 'all fours' - which is why his head can be posed upwards.

I don't own Alt Ravage, but he just looks like an after thought.

I'm probably in an even smaller minority by thinking that the Corvette is one of the nice BTs. Out of all the BTs, the Corvette is the only one which has a direct history back to the Stingray. The articulation of the figure is at least equal to that of the Vipers too.
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Postby Swoop » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:00 pm

JetfireUK wrote:Out of all the BTs, the Corvette is the only one which has a direct history back to the Stingray.


I see your G1/BT Corvette and raise you G1/BT Hound. :P
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Postby JetfireUK » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:44 pm

Aha! *scratches head*

Wasn't the original Hound based on a Japanese jeep rather than a US one?

*Shrugs*

That's the only way I can defend my Corvette comment :P
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