william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
MightyMagnus78 wrote:Nothing Hasbro does surprises me anymore, their ineptitude is legendary!
Burn wrote:Shadowstream wrote:It's quite clear they dun dropped the ball, but did they have to drop it so far and so hard?
It's FunPub. It's their specialty.
Rated X wrote:FP Diesel is the perfect example of parts integration gone bad.
Yotsuyasan wrote:Rated X wrote:FP Diesel is the perfect example of parts integration gone bad.
Because having all of the extra parts contained in a nice compact tidy box (the rear half of the trailer) that is easy to put aside without loosing anything is... bad?
I'd actually argue that Fansproject's Stunticons did a great job.
All of the extra parts are integrated into Motormaster / Diesel. This means that the four limb-bots are completely combiner kibble free when not in the gestalt form.
If you want to play with Motormaster as a 100% separate entity (without consideration for Menasor), you have the option of making the short truck. This gives you a Diesel that is completely combiner kibble free (if you ignore the extra head in his chest), and even still has his two rifles.
MGrotusque wrote:Funny thing, I was just looking at my FP Bruticus today and was admiring on how good it is. How the parts forming is integrated almost seamlessly into the Gestalt form. It's a great example on how it can be done right.
I don't have a problem with parts forming at all especially if all the parts can be incorporated believably into the alt and bot modes as weapons, armour or whatever.
On a side note i think he has some of the best hands out any combiner. If anything there's aren't another set out there like them.
MightyMagnus78 wrote:Nothing Hasbro does surprises me anymore, their ineptitude is legendary!
Burn wrote:Shadowstream wrote:It's quite clear they dun dropped the ball, but did they have to drop it so far and so hard?
It's FunPub. It's their specialty.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
MightyMagnus78 wrote:Nothing Hasbro does surprises me anymore, their ineptitude is legendary!
Burn wrote:Shadowstream wrote:It's quite clear they dun dropped the ball, but did they have to drop it so far and so hard?
It's FunPub. It's their specialty.
MGrotusque wrote:Funny thing, I was just looking at my FP Bruticus today and was admiring on how good it is. How the parts forming is integrated almost seamlessly into the Gestalt form. It's a great example on how it can be done right.
MGrotusque wrote:On a side note i think he has some of the best hands out any combiner. If anything there's aren't another set out there like them.
Shadowstream wrote:As it stands Diesel strikes that line I despise seeing crossed by sacrificing the robot to vehicle conversion with parts-forming.
Shadowstream wrote:Colossus' parts are one of the main reasons I have distain for FP now. The weapons are fine for the most part, but all the bits that are used to combine are poorly designed and so brittle they break just from looking at them wrong, LITERALLY! (Snip of the specifics.)
Bottom line: Colossus looks good combined, but his kibble is kibble in any other mode and nothing more.
You can still homage the characters and concepts without slavishly obeying every single detail, including the crap bits.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:You can still homage the characters and concepts without slavishly obeying every single detail, including the crap bits.
Ok, that's the rub here. Can you actually do that? Could you, for instance, emulate Devestator WITHOUT making his hands and chest shield separate pieces? Without compromising the other two modes? His feet don't count as clever integration; his G1 model had that.
And the other part is, an all new combiner would be able to do what you want, but a combiner based off G1 absolute needs those extra bits to work.
I can be with you on being annoyed with TFC for not making their feet into bazookas or something.
FoC Vortex isn't that great in arm mode, by the way. He's good for $15, but I have FoC Bruticus right beside me and it's got nothing to brag about. Again, though, he's not G1 Vortex. If you wanted a G1 inspired Vortex could you have him without making the hand a separate part? While still making him $100 good?
william-james88 wrote:Also be weary of hope in this hobby. Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.
Agamemnon, barebacked rider of flying robo-dragon, and not often constipated either...My nephew wrote:Bacon is meat candy.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
Ok, that's the rub here. Can you actually do that? Could you, for instance, emulate Devestator WITHOUT making his hands and chest shield separate pieces? Without compromising the other two modes? His feet don't count as clever integration; his G1 model had that.
And the other part is, an all new combiner would be able to do what you want, but a combiner based off G1 absolute needs those extra bits to work.
I can be with you on being annoyed with TFC for not making their feet into bazookas or something.
FoC Vortex isn't that great in arm mode, by the way. He's good for $15, but I have FoC Bruticus right beside me and it's got nothing to brag about. Again, though, he's not G1 Vortex. If you wanted a G1 inspired Vortex could you have him without making the hand a separate part? While still making him $100 good?
Delta Magnus wrote:Well, you could always do away with the chest shield. Both the Giant and Hercules chest shields look kinda lame IMO. The hands I'll give you, although I am impressed that the individual Hercules robots can use the hands as power fists/earth scrapers.
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I will confess that I am very much a Transformer "progressive"- I like to see original, completely different designs for Transformers as opposed to simply updating the same designs over and over again, so my opinion on this is biased.
Yotsuyasan wrote:Shadowstream wrote:As it stands Diesel strikes that line I despise seeing crossed by sacrificing the robot to vehicle conversion with parts-forming.
I don't understand that opinion. How is his individual transformation affected by parts forming in the slightest? Even if you don't like the short truck (which I will admit I am not the biggest fan of either, I just presented it as an option if you were adamant about not wanting any extra parts) there's one giant chunk to remove and set aside. You said you wouldn't mind if the whole trailer was removable, so why is it objectionable to have to put aside half of the trailer? And other than that, Motormaster's transformation is, if somewhat complex, otherwise completely standard. Removing one part and setting it aside is hardly parts forming.
Unless you're making that argument with his armored up form in mind, in which case... Oh no! His weapons are separate parts! Um... Isn't that the case with most Transformers?
Shadowstream wrote:Colossus' parts are one of the main reasons I have distain for FP now. The weapons are fine for the most part, but all the bits that are used to combine are poorly designed and so brittle they break just from looking at them wrong, LITERALLY! (Snip of the specifics.)
Bottom line: Colossus looks good combined, but his kibble is kibble in any other mode and nothing more.
I disagree that the parts do nothing in other modes. For example, this:
is a heck of a lot better of a vehicle mode for Onslaught then this:
was.
Yes, it isn't perfect. I'll agree that Onslaught's shoulder pads can inhibit articulation and fall off easily if bumped. The hand held weapons formed by the gestalt's hands are kind of clunky to hold. Vortex's missile pods can be a bit floppy in either mode. But with a bit of fiddling, you can get results that look darn good!
As far as fragility of parts, such as the gestalt's fingers or shoulder pieces... I have heard on occasion people complaining about such things... So unless it was just you complaining a lot, I will concede that this is not unique or unheard of. But from personal experience, this is not something I've yet encountered.
He seems pretty well put together to me. I've bent his fingers every which way you can imagine. (Well, that the joints are designed to allow, at least.) I transform him semi-frequently, then leave him/them for a week or two in whatever mode they're now in, so the fingers have also spent plenty of time being perfectly straight as well. I've never had one pop off or break. And I've had him over a year at this point, so I can't say, "Well, he's just new. He's not yet stood the test of time."
So I am forced to conclude that either you (and a few others) had the misfortune to get a slightly faulty batch, or I just got lucky enough to get one from a super perfect batch. (Disclosure: I do have the reissued version, so I suppose it is possible that if faults were found with the molds, they were corrected.)
I'll admit... it scares me sometimes the things I think of that end up coming to pass. I swear to God, the piece that broke was doing absolutely nothing, not even holding up or on to ANYTHING... and it snapped off at the speed of sound when I decided to give it a curious looking over.Also, did you honestly only just look at it and have it fall apart? If yes, then that's some impressive telekinesis you have!
MightyMagnus78 wrote:Nothing Hasbro does surprises me anymore, their ineptitude is legendary!
Burn wrote:Shadowstream wrote:It's quite clear they dun dropped the ball, but did they have to drop it so far and so hard?
It's FunPub. It's their specialty.
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