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Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby d_sel1 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:04 pm

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Urban Dictionary has an entry- Starscream Syndrome
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=starscream+syndrome

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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Shadowman » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:37 pm

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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Red 50 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:45 am

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I'm just trying to understand how has Starscream managed to gather many, many fangirls "almost to the point of absurdity."

I get it: in part we all like Starscream, but what makes the girls like him?
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:08 pm

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Red 50 wrote:I'm just trying to understand how has Starscream managed to gather many, many fangirls "almost to the point of absurdity."

I get it: in part we all like Starscream, but what makes the girls like him?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl30aEahlIU&list=SPWdTF5FulcwfswhVib5TonoEtAdxexUYB&index=24

It's basically the same exact thing as this... I think.
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Drop Bear » Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:56 am

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Red 50 wrote:I'm just trying to understand how has Starscream managed to gather many, many fangirls "almost to the point of absurdity."

I get it: in part we all like Starscream, but what makes the girls like him?

To be honest, I'm quite disturbed by how much these girls like an animated robot.

Perhaps a good dose of sunshine is in order?
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby TurboMMaster » Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:38 am

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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Va'al » Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:55 am

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Red 50 wrote:I'm just trying to understand how has Starscream managed to gather many, many fangirls "almost to the point of absurdity."

I get it: in part we all like Starscream, but what makes the girls like him?


How is it that different from any boy liking any character? :-?

There has been, finally and fortunately, a rise in vocal, visible female fans and a wider awareness of their existence in recent years (though the industry still stumbles over that issue), and maybe that's why the perception is that it's only women who really enjoy a well-written and, most of all, well acted character: as male fans we're only just 'noticing' another side of the fandom, and the people behind the scenes.

(On that point, take a look at two recent pieces we reported, both involving Mairghread Scott: Interview and HerUniverse.)

Personally, I adored Prime Starscream and Steve Blum's portrayal of him. I don't write fanfiction, I don't draw and I don't use Tumblr at all or other social media to fangasm as much, so my 'enjoyment visibility' is limited. Others, not just women, don't, and we see much much more of it.
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Dead Metal » Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:57 am

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We are all our fangirls anyway? I mean when I joined we had an army, they even had their own thread, like 90% of them adored Starscream. Where have they gone? I miss them.


And I'm over this whole "oh look, fangirls love Starscream" thing, it's something you notice when you first enter the online fandom and then accept as normal.
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Shadowman » Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:14 am

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Va'al wrote:There has been, finally and fortunately, a rise in vocal, visible female fans and a wider awareness of their existence in recent years (though the industry still stumbles over that issue), and maybe that's why the perception is that it's only women who really enjoy a well-written and, most of all, well acted character: as male fans we're only just 'noticing' another side of the fandom, and the people behind the scenes.


We're not talking about a well-written, well-acted character. We're talking about Starscream.
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Va'al » Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:31 am

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Va'al wrote:There has been, finally and fortunately, a rise in vocal, visible female fans and a wider awareness of their existence in recent years (though the industry still stumbles over that issue), and maybe that's why the perception is that it's only women who really enjoy a well-written and, most of all, well acted character: as male fans we're only just 'noticing' another side of the fandom, and the people behind the scenes.


We're not talking about a well-written, well-acted character. We're talking about Starscream.


Who is a well-written, well-acted character. Your point? :???:
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Shadowman » Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:44 am

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Va'al wrote:There has been, finally and fortunately, a rise in vocal, visible female fans and a wider awareness of their existence in recent years (though the industry still stumbles over that issue), and maybe that's why the perception is that it's only women who really enjoy a well-written and, most of all, well acted character: as male fans we're only just 'noticing' another side of the fandom, and the people behind the scenes.


We're not talking about a well-written, well-acted character. We're talking about Starscream.


Who is a well-written, well-acted character. Your point? :???:


Only if you've never actually watched an episode before. He's got an annoyingly, notoriously screechy voice and his character is entirely static. At no point does he ever develop or learn from his mistakes. While his character is well defined, it isn't a particularly good one. He remains a whiny man-who-would-be-king who constantly believes himself superior, and yet when he fails to repeat it, he immediately grovels and begs forgiveness.

Incidentally, "well-written characters" didn't start showing up until Beast Wars. That's the result of having such a swollen cast, there's no room in the house for anyone to start growing.
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:01 pm

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Sly pretty much summed it up when he posted this:



Just swap out Loki for Starscream and Tom Hiddeston for... whichever Screamer VA the fangirls feel like fangirling over on whichever day. :P

Though, I can't help but feel that Armada Strscream had a hand in garnering most of these fangirls more than or in addition to G1 Starscream.

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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Va'al » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:04 pm

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Va'al wrote:
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Va'al wrote:There has been, finally and fortunately, a rise in vocal, visible female fans and a wider awareness of their existence in recent years (though the industry still stumbles over that issue), and maybe that's why the perception is that it's only women who really enjoy a well-written and, most of all, well acted character: as male fans we're only just 'noticing' another side of the fandom, and the people behind the scenes.


We're not talking about a well-written, well-acted character. We're talking about Starscream.


Who is a well-written, well-acted character. Your point? :???:


Only if you've never actually watched an episode before. He's got an annoyingly, notoriously screechy voice and his character is entirely static. At no point does he ever develop or learn from his mistakes. While his character is well defined, it isn't a particularly good one. He remains a whiny man-who-would-be-king who constantly believes himself superior, and yet when he fails to repeat it, he immediately grovels and begs forgiveness.

Incidentally, "well-written characters" didn't start showing up until Beast Wars. That's the result of having such a swollen cast, there's no room in the house for anyone to start growing.


Hm. I suppose I was thinking of all the contemporary interations of the character, such as the RID comics or the Prime TV series.
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Shadowman » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:10 pm

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Va'al wrote:Hm. I suppose I was thinking of all the contemporary interations of the character, such as the RID comics or the Prime TV series.


Except Starscream fangirls existed long before that, even before Armada. Back when we only knew Starscream as the screeching whiny loser.
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:22 pm

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Va'al wrote:Hm. I suppose I was thinking of all the contemporary interations of the character, such as the RID comics or the Prime TV series.


Except Starscream fangirls existed long before that, even before Armada. Back when we only knew Starscream as the screeching whiny loser.
I gotta wonder if the Japanese dub of the G1 cartoon had much hand in this, since that version's Starscream didn't have a screeching whiny voice but instead had a more "Bishounen" voice that some female fans might consider "sexy" sounding. :-s
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Dead Metal » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:44 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Va'al wrote:Hm. I suppose I was thinking of all the contemporary interations of the character, such as the RID comics or the Prime TV series.


Except Starscream fangirls existed long before that, even before Armada. Back when we only knew Starscream as the screeching whiny loser.
I gotta wonder if the Japanese dub of the G1 cartoon had much hand in this, since that version's Starscream didn't have a screeching whiny voice but instead had a more "Bishounen" voice that some female fans might consider "sexy" sounding. :-s

Yes totally, the Japanese dub is totally why Western fan girls love Starscream so much.

I remember one stating that Starscream was pretty hansom for a giant metal robot, make of that what you will. And I had someone confess to me (who took me for a fellow fan girl at the time) that she thought Starscream and Jazz were sexy and, made her ... yea you get the picture.

It's likely a combination of him being attractive while also being a failure, so they feel like he is under appreciated and deserves better, and better would in this case be the fan girl.
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:48 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:Yes totally, the Japanese dub is totally why Western fan girls love Starscream so much.
I was referring to the Japanese fangirls since they were always more vocal back then than the Western ones. :roll:
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Dead Metal » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:57 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:Yes totally, the Japanese dub is totally why Western fan girls love Starscream so much.
I was referring to the Japanese fangirls since they were always more vocal back then than the Western ones. :roll:

You should have been more specific then. ;)
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby cybercat » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:38 am

Dead Metal wrote:We are all our fangirls anyway? I mean when I joined we had an army, they even had their own thread, like 90% of them adored Starscream. Where have they gone? I miss them.


And I'm over this whole "oh look, fangirls love Starscream" thing, it's something you notice when you first enter the online fandom and then accept as normal.


I'm here! And a Starscream Fangirl, at least when I was a kid. I think part of it was that he was....eeeesh I hate to use the word 'sassy' because it's been overused lately. But he was that guy who would always get beaten down, and then get right back up again, and yeah it's dumb of him not to actually learn, but it's sort of appealing. Plus he really seemed to enjoy being 'ebil' in a way Megatron and the other Decepticons didn't. He's fun. *shrug*. Yeah, that's all I got. I can't explain it, either.

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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Counterpunch » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:37 pm

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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Shadowman » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:45 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:Guys...the "why" is irrelevant.

TF fangirls like Starscream? Take it to the bank and get down with some fly honeys.

>:oP


Because using an annoying '80s cartoon character is a surefire way to get laid. How long has it been since you've been on the dating circuit, exactly?
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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Counterpunch » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:51 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:Guys...the "why" is irrelevant.

TF fangirls like Starscream? Take it to the bank and get down with some fly honeys.

>:oP


Because using an annoying '80s cartoon character is a surefire way to get laid. How long has it been since you've been on the dating circuit, exactly?


Shameful.

I'm talking about making honest connections with people based on their interests and you just default to sex. Tsk Tsk. That's the sort of thing that will leave you in the "dating circuit", which I have to assume is some sort of reference to the movie "Short Circuit."

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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Shadowman » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:13 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:Guys...the "why" is irrelevant.

TF fangirls like Starscream? Take it to the bank and get down with some fly honeys.

>:oP


Because using an annoying '80s cartoon character is a surefire way to get laid. How long has it been since you've been on the dating circuit, exactly?


Shameful.

I'm talking about making honest connections with people based on their interests and you just default to sex. Tsk Tsk.


And these connections can be made by assuming the woman in question is obsessed with an annoying character from an '80s cartoon...

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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Counterpunch » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:58 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:Guys...the "why" is irrelevant.

TF fangirls like Starscream? Take it to the bank and get down with some fly honeys.

>:oP


Because using an annoying '80s cartoon character is a surefire way to get laid. How long has it been since you've been on the dating circuit, exactly?


Shameful.

I'm talking about making honest connections with people based on their interests and you just default to sex. Tsk Tsk.


And these connections can be made by assuming the woman in question is obsessed with an annoying character from an '80s cartoon...

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Re: Another dangerous topic involving women and Starscream

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:05 am

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Dead Metal wrote:We are all our fangirls anyway? I mean when I joined we had an army, they even had their own thread, like 90% of them adored Starscream. Where have they gone? I miss them.


And I'm over this whole "oh look, fangirls love Starscream" thing, it's something you notice when you first enter the online fandom and then accept as normal.


I'm here! And a Starscream Fangirl, at least when I was a kid. I think part of it was that he was....eeeesh I hate to use the word 'sassy' because it's been overused lately. But he was that guy who would always get beaten down, and then get right back up again, and yeah it's dumb of him not to actually learn, but it's sort of appealing. Plus he really seemed to enjoy being 'ebil' in a way Megatron and the other Decepticons didn't. He's fun. *shrug*. Yeah, that's all I got. I can't explain it, either.

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