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Seems like the trend with third-party companies here lately is to give us multiple versions of the same character, and it appears this may apply to Sixshot as well. As everyone already knows Mastermind Creations will be releasing an updated version of the G1 six-changer in the form of their upcoming Terminus Hexatron. If fact, we should be getting a good look at Terminus Hexatron over the weekend at Cherry Bomb's 8th Ultimate Hobby and Toy Fair in Victoria, Canada.

Another third-party Sixshot prototype has surfaced on HK-TF. The producer is unknown at this point, but the figure is labeled BY-01. Images of the prototype in robot mode have been mirrored below. What do you think about the latest character to get to third-party "double dip"? Sound off here.

that looks terrible

What is going on with these 3rd party companies doing the same figures?! They're killin me.

monstergrotusque wrote:What is going on with these 3rd party companies doing the same figures?! They're killin me.

Atleast this time it's is an easy decision compared to the alternative.

monstergrotusque wrote:What is going on with these 3rd party companies doing the same figures?! They're killin me.

You'd prefer they make unique figures so that we'd have to pay more money? I'm starting to see benefits of this system.

MMC wins, these guys should stop right now, or retool it to become a Quickswitch.

Too stocky. Too blocky.

I love Sixshot, but that just looks like crap to me.

Despite this figure looking like crap, this is pretty good news for 2 reasons. One, this at least gives people an option of which "Classics" Sixshot they want in their collection. Two, because third party companies are finally tackling the same characters all at once, this promotes a sense of competition. And once you have a sense of competition in the world of sales, prices actually go down!

So yea, these third party figures will never be as affordable as the official Has/Tak releases, but at least they won't be as astronomically priced as before.

He's basically an articulated G1. Which is what some folks think is all that has ever needed to be done to Sixshot to make him awesome.

I like it the more i look at it.

And now that i think about it i also agree with the healthy competition aspect of same character releases which in turn could promote cheaper cost burden on my poor wallet.

Mkall wrote:

monstergrotusque wrote:What is going on with these 3rd party companies doing the same figures?! They're killin me.

You'd prefer they make unique figures so that we'd have to pay more money? I'm starting to see benefits of this system.

MMC wins, these guys should stop right now, or retool it to become a Quickswitch.

I agree with Mkall here. I enjoy having a choice when it comes to characters. Plus, a little competition is good for the wallet.

WolfDawg wrote:Despite this figure looking like crap, this is pretty good news for 2 reasons. One, this at least gives people an option of which "Classics" Sixshot they want in their collection. Two, because third party companies are finally tackling the same characters all at once, this promotes a sense of competition. And once you have a sense of competition in the world of sales, prices actually go down!

So yea, these third party figures will never be as affordable as the official Has/Tak releases, but at least they won't be as astronomically priced as before.

Thats all well and true, but for it (price drop) to really take effect, there has to be a solid show of competition, and at this point, it doesn't appear to exist.
This is a prototype (i guess) so theres no real news to take from this other than its another 3rd party articulate sixshot. But other than that, it looks like crap, and either doesn't pose any competitive threat, or we just haven't seen the real concept product yet (since this looks like it was made in wood work class, and poorly).

Well I guess we can all thank FansProject for setting the bar so high but also unfortunatley opening the floodgates to this combined overflow of subpar "also-ran" companies that are practically tripping over themselves to spit out the next big Bruticus-must-have-item. If these companies keep popping up in garages all over its gonna cause Hasbro/Takara to wisen-up and crack the whip on likeness copyright. Something tells me their not taking too kindly to sharing their cashcow. It's going to be interesting at the very least to see how it plays out in coming years. Here's hoping the fans benefit in the long run.

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Well I guess we can all thank FansProject for setting the bar so high but also unfortunatley opening the floodgates to this combined overflow of subpar "also-ran" companies that are practically tripping over themselves to spit out the next big Bruticus-must-have-item. If these companies keep popping up in garages all over its gonna cause Hasbro/Takara to wisen-up and crack the whip on likeness copyright. Something tells me their not taking too kindly to sharing their cashcow. It's going to be interesting at the very least to see how it plays out in coming years. Here's hoping the fans benefit in the long run.

Can has/tek really do anything if the name is different, and is not actually a copy of their mould? This isn't a clone product from a G1 figure after all... so, hopefully they're fairly safe. ?

I've had this awful 3rd party sixsot toy for a year or TWO. it's not new,it's been a ebay exclusive for a year or two+ now. I think the seller who sold me my version was called "CollectorKB". He's a ebay seller that is based in Hong Kong. he often sells about 6 of these per year on ebay for the past few years. the toy is about 6.8 inches tall in robot mode from head to toe.

This same ebay seller named "CollectorKB". Sells another sixshot custom toy on ebay. this one is a bit bigger & has less joints. I think he used the 1987 sixshot toy & gave it poseable joints. the 2nd one,has limited hip joints range of motion. the seller created a sixshot & great shot versions. the ebay auctions ending bids wanted over $500 for the 2nd bigger version this one is a bit more higher quality than the one being discussed in this thread.

The toy being discussed is a pure piece of garbage. some of the joints the guy literally used rubber or some type of silicon white chalk inside the moving parts. it literally fell apart in my hands while transforming it. I think the seller even went as far as to sell me a repaired version. as their's some repair patch work seen on the toy.

I had to spend a lenghty time repairing the figure & painting it a bit.

I even went as far as to do six U-tube videos showing off the toy.
here are the six u-tube videoes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KncIUM3o2t8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5XjUcqXJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5XjUcqXJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5fQO3Vrue4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHiHd8ZCAEY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEcTIe-_9t4

I was gonna give the toy away to a few internet TF fans. but I didn't want to see this thing mass produced. I wanted it to stay a ebay exclusive. because it's a awful & horrible toy that should never see mass production.

Mkall wrote:

monstergrotusque wrote:What is going on with these 3rd party companies doing the same figures?! They're killin me.

You'd prefer they make unique figures so that we'd have to pay more money? I'm starting to see benefits of this system.

MMC wins, these guys should stop right now, or retool it to become a Quickswitch.

Your comment seems slightly counter-productive. You can see the benefits of multiple third party characters but you think these guys should stop already. Is that right or do you just think this figure is really bad?

Similar to what MINVVIPE said: two companies making their own versions of the same character does not automatically equal competition. They'd both have to be coming out at a similar time to make people think about which one they want, and even then it might not make a difference. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but El Duque's words at the start of this news item sound like he's getting rather exasperated with the situation.

This isn't the worst looking figure ever, but the gaps in the leg panels are kind of big and the head looks crap. Can't see it besting MasterMind Creations' figure.

For a mock up it doesn't look too bad, it's alot more accurate to his Headmasters model than Hexatron, which makes me wonder if they're gonna give him black instead of purple, anyways I just hope that they don't stick with that head, since it was sleeker looking in Headmasters.

This isnt any where near finished to judge it must be the first ever prototype put together, i mean look at it there is nothing on that model thats a finished peice it looks hacked to bits.

I will say i dont think Sixshot can get any better than Hexatron to be honest, but this guy still has potential to be decent when finished alternative Sixshot.

of course it looks bad, its a handbuilt sculpt. its gonna look like ass until it leaves prototype stage .

with that said though, i think it looks pretty good considering the stage its at. some proportions are off and the head is a little off as well, but nothing some refinement couldn't fix.

this doesnt look like your toy deathy, alot of the proportions and shapes dont match up, aside from it being a prototype. there might be some hope for this one yet, maybe a TFC toys release in the works?

deathy wrote:I've had this awful 3rd party sixsot toy for a year or TWO. it's not new,it's been a ebay exclusive for a year or two+ now. I think the seller who sold me my version was called "CollectorKB". He's a ebay seller that is based in Hong Kong. he often sells about 6 of these per year on ebay for the past few years. the toy is about 6.8 inches tall in robot mode from head to toe.

This same ebay seller named "CollectorKB". Sells another sixshot custom toy on ebay. this one is a bit bigger & has less joints. I think he used the 1987 sixshot toy & gave it poseable joints. the 2nd one,has limited hip joints range of motion. the seller created a sixshot & great shot versions. the ebay auctions ending bids wanted over $500 for the 2nd bigger version this one is a bit more higher quality than the one being discussed in this thread.

The toy being discussed is a pure piece of garbage. some of the joints the guy literally used rubber or some type of silicon white chalk inside the moving parts. it literally fell apart in my hands while transforming it. I think the seller even went as far as to sell me a repaired version. as their's some repair patch work seen on the toy.

I had to spend a lenghty time repairing the figure & painting it a bit.

I even went as far as to do six U-tube videos showing off the toy.
here are the six u-tube videoes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KncIUM3o2t8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5XjUcqXJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5XjUcqXJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5fQO3Vrue4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHiHd8ZCAEY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEcTIe-_9t4

I was gonna give the toy away to a few internet TF fans. but I didn't want to see this thing mass produced. I wanted it to stay a ebay exclusive. because it's a awful & horrible toy that should never see mass production.

I checked out your videos. I have to say the thing looks pretty decent. It appears to have a nice finish(thanks to yourself). May I ask how much it was or would that be "a collecting no-no"?

um, yeah, i was ok with the first one, but this one is horrible.

I can't see anything good about it. Poor proportions, limited articulation. It looks as though it will be small.

Good effort, but in this case there is a better version of this character out there. And competition is definitely good for the market and us fans, but going by the response on this thread, MasterMind Creations may have nothing to fear.

I dont like it. He's got toy-like looking "wheels" attached to his shoulders and what are those blocks on top of his tailfins ??? Alternatives are cool but there are so many other characters that need a new mold like Alpha Trion, Elita One, Trailbreaker, etc. These guys are really milking the last drops of the cow.

Dear 3rd parties:

Stop with the "me too" KO toys. While it is amazing that you want to make modern toys of classic characters that Takara and Hasbro have ignored for too long, if another company (or two) is already creating a modern version of a character please pick a different character for your toy.

You will probably get better sales if you are the ONLY company making a new toy of a certain character, plus you will be helping collectors fill out their collections better. Most people don't want 2 versions of the same KO figure so they will just go with whichever one is better.

Thanks you for your efforts.

deathy wrote:I've had this awful 3rd party sixsot toy for a year or TWO. it's not new,it's been a ebay exclusive for a year or two+ now. I think the seller who sold me my version was called "CollectorKB". He's a ebay seller that is based in Hong Kong. he often sells about 6 of these per year on ebay for the past few years. the toy is about 6.8 inches tall in robot mode from head to toe.

This same ebay seller named "CollectorKB". Sells another sixshot custom toy on ebay. this one is a bit bigger & has less joints. I think he used the 1987 sixshot toy & gave it poseable joints. the 2nd one,has limited hip joints range of motion. the seller created a sixshot & great shot versions. the ebay auctions ending bids wanted over $500 for the 2nd bigger version this one is a bit more higher quality than the one being discussed in this thread.

The toy being discussed is a pure piece of garbage. some of the joints the guy literally used rubber or some type of silicon white chalk inside the moving parts. it literally fell apart in my hands while transforming it. I think the seller even went as far as to sell me a repaired version. as their's some repair patch work seen on the toy.

I had to spend a lenghty time repairing the figure & painting it a bit.

I even went as far as to do six U-tube videos showing off the toy.
here are the six u-tube videoes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KncIUM3o2t8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5XjUcqXJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5XjUcqXJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5fQO3Vrue4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHiHd8ZCAEY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEcTIe-_9t4

I was gonna give the toy away to a few internet TF fans. but I didn't want to see this thing mass produced. I wanted it to stay a ebay exclusive. because it's a awful & horrible toy that should never see mass production.

The toy in the picture is different than the ones in your videos. Just look at the head.

Regarding the competition bringing prices down...I'd hate to see Hercules and Giants prices otherwise if they are supposedly lower because of each other!

The only way I legitimately see a price benefit is if one or both didn't sell well and they reach clearance. Problem there is 1) if you're that interested you can't really rely on that method working out for you, or 2) the lack of interest could cause the rest of the project for staggered release combiners or future cool projects to fail/not see release. In the end, I just don't see all this so called competition as a great thing. If these guys would put out one great product you don't really need two or a choice, and all putting out two very good ones does is cause you to want both. I could easily live with either Hercules or Giant...and I'd like both, but I don't think I can responsibly purchase both. Hell, it's probably irresponsible to be buying one at those prices, but that's beside the point.