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G1 80's Season 1: In the Ultimate Doom, as Optimus is about to deactivate the sorta "doomsday" machine, Megatron asks if the Autobot Commander will continue to do so, he will be a traitor to his race.
Left without a choice, Optimus did afterall pulled the lever in an episode that will lead to a 4-part series and Cybertron's possible collision to Earth.

A big mistake by Prime. Or was their a grey area?

Shadowman wrote:The Autobots prefer peaceful coexistence and sharing resources. The Deceptions have a 7-step plan for global devastation that includes starting a bunch of wars and killing off as much of the population as possible, then taking everything they can, leaving a dead rock behind.

Who do you think are the real antagonists?

I've heard this before, a bunch of times. The philosophy has to ignore the fact that Megatron gladly lies, cheats, steals and, most of all, mass murders his way to Pyrrhic victory, just because he thought he could run things better than the Primes, in the process destroying the planet he was trying to dominate. Even if he did have noble intentions at one point, he discarded them extremely quickly.

Yup.

Still, if it weren't for the corrupt Autobot regime, Megatron would've stayed a gladiator, a sports god that every Bot aspired to and not form the Decepticon Empire to begin with. Megs absolutely is a patriot, a nationalist and a realist. And he loves his homeworld and gives courage to other sentient beings who fear of the governing administration.

Again, a point for the Autobot bad guys.

It could,'ve been a shift in Megatron's psychological and moral circuitry. Due to the immorality the Autobot authority, it resulted the worst of the Leader. Just like studying the mind of a criminal through his medical history. Megs was a different Cybertronian then. Thus, it was the Bot's fault. The Bots had left a permanent damage to Meg's central processors.

DARK ENERGON wrote:Still, if it weren't for the corrupt Autobot regime, Megatron would've stayed a gladiator, a sports god that every Bot aspired to and not form the Decepticon Empire to begin with. Megs absolutely is a patriot, a nationalist and a realist. And he loves his homeworld and gives courage to other sentient beings who fear of the governing administration.

Again, a point for the Autobot bad guys.

It could,'ve been a shift in Megatron's psychological and moral circuitry. Due to the immorality the Autobot authority, it resulted the worst of the Leader. Just like studying the mind of a criminal through his medical history. Megs was a different Cybertronian then. Thus, it was the Bot's fault. The Bots had left a permanent damage to Meg's central processors.

I love America. That doesn't give me the right to start shooting people until they make me President, just because I don't like the current administration. Nor is it excusable because the administration made me kinda sad.

DARK ENERGON wrote:G1 80's Season 1: In the Ultimate Doom, as Optimus is about to deactivate the sorta "doomsday" machine, Megatron asks if the Autobot Commander will continue to do so, he will be a traitor to his race.
Left without a choice, Optimus did afterall pulled the lever in an episode that will lead to a 4-part series and Cybertron's possible collision to Earth.

A big mistake by Prime. Or was their a grey area?

Because, in G1 at least, Prime wasn't willing to sacrifice Cybertron and the countless Autobots still living on it, including Alpha Trion and Elita 1.

Chaoslock's quote.
G1 Cartoon: The autobots didn't let the decepticons away from a planet full of innocent lifeforms when they tried to leave. Borderline antagonists.

First of all, I have to agree with Shadowman. The Decepticons basically had enough to conquer Cybertron, however Chaoslock, you forget that Megatron wanted to conquer the rest of universe as well, including small planets like, say, Earth. You cannot allow someone like Megatron any resource. For most of the cartoon series, the Autobots were definitely protagonists. Actually, although Megatron was definitely the grand evil of the Decepticons, the rest of cartoon Decepticons were NO paragons of virtue nor good government. Take these examples:
Starscream was vain and egotistical and at best would have a clownish Santa Anna of Mexico type, but I could see him becoming a Udai Hussein, Nero, or even Caligula type.
Rumble: street punk, how about evolving to an Al Capone or Pablo Escobar
Astrotrain: Encouraged people to worship him as a god (God Gambit). See bad Roman Emperors or Kim Jong Il
Swindle: Sadly Illinois Governor material. Unfortunately, might be the best governor in my current state since Jim Edgar

The Autobots are the original bad guys and started the Great Civil War. The Bots could've prevented the war resulting a spark, Megatron, who defied an empire.
I'm hands down to Decepticon bad @$§ attitude for a psychiatrist would surely give up on 'em. It was due to the Bots that Megs programmed himself including his so called 'minions' eternal hatred to the Bots becoming the bad guys we hd loved to hate. I don't blame 'em. Just put youself on Meg's mechanical shoes. The Bots in the very beginning were then the villians, no risk denying it. This history was however not written during the 80's til the turn of the millenium.
Ofcourse its a tradition ever since then that we were fond of the heroic Autobots.

So, is it
"To All are One!" ?
or
"All Hail Megatron" ?

DARK ENERGON wrote:The Autobots are the original bad guys and started the Great Civil War. The Bots could've prevented the war resulting a spark, Megatron, who defied an empire.

Now you're just making things up. The Decepticons started the war in every continuity.

G1: Unspecified reason, mostly for power. The early Autobots couldn't even fight back, being domestic products while early Decepticons were military equipment. The Autobots developed transformation as a defense mechanism.

Unicron Trilogy: Started when Megatron began performing experiments on and abusing Mini-cons for power, eventually using them to fuel his army, igniting the war.

Movie trilogy: Megatron was convinced by the Fallen to overthrow Optimus and steal the Allspark for his own. Cybertron was rendered a lifeless shell as a result.

Aligned: Megatron started the Decepticons out of the lower castes, secret allowing them to perform blatant terrorist actions, with the notion that if he denied it, it would make the council think highly of him. Megatron walked right up to the council and demanded they make him a Prime. (Despite becoming a Prime not working that way) When they chose Orion/Optimus instead, Megatron decided if he can't rule Cybertron as a Prime, he'll just have to conquer it by force. He then proceeded to destroy Cybertron out of of egotism and petty jealousy.

IDW: Started as a rebellion against the government. Quickly led to regular old egomania-driven conquest. Ended with the destruction of Cybertron. Which then segued into a cold war, leading to the destruction of countless worlds by Megatron's design.

DARK ENERGON wrote:I'm hands down to Decepticon bad @$§ attitude for a psychiatrist would surely give up on 'em. It was due to the Bots that Megs programmed himself including his so called 'minions' eternal hatred to the Bots becoming the bad guys we hd loved to hate. I don't blame 'em. Just put youself on Meg's mechanical shoes. The Bots in the very beginning were then the villians, no risk denying it. This history was however not written during the 80's til the turn of the millenium.
Ofcourse its a tradition ever since then that we were fond of the heroic Autobots.

So, is it
"To All are One!" ?
or
"All Hail Megatron" ?

Nothing you said makes any sort of sense, at all. You got a F- in psychology, I know that much.

Unless you're talking about Shattered Glass, but that was specifically designed as a Mirror Universe.

DARK ENERGON wrote:The Autobots are the original bad guys and started the Great Civil War. The Bots could've prevented the war resulting a spark, Megatron, who defied an empire.
I'm hands down to Decepticon bad @$§ attitude for a psychiatrist would surely give up on 'em. It was due to the Bots that Megs programmed himself including his so called 'minions' eternal hatred to the Bots becoming the bad guys we hd loved to hate. I don't blame 'em. Just put youself on Meg's mechanical shoes. The Bots in the very beginning were then the villians, no risk denying it. This history was however not written during the 80's til the turn of the millenium.
Ofcourse its a tradition ever since then that we were fond of the heroic Autobots.

So, is it
"To All are One!" ?
or
"All Hail Megatron" ?

Sorry, Dark Energon, your logic is kinda flawed. I will give a grim example.

Late 1920's- early 1930's Germany: A politican feels that he can restore Germany's place in the world and improve the lives of citizens. His fatherland's economy was wrecked even before the Great Depression and has to pay the entire cost of WW I because of the punitive Treaty of Versailles. His country's industrial heartland for just recently freed from French control. Germany is governed by the inept Weimar Republic with its share of corrupt politicans. In side note, the Weimar Republic was one of the most progressive, liberal nations of the Earth at the time, so it was from having a backward Arab dictatorship feel to it. There was also fear that Germany was verge of becoming run by the SDP, then a Communist-backed party (in this post- Cold War times, we forget and ignore how nasty early Communists where). This politician eventually become German Chancellor. Feel sympathy with a future German leader about the mess he needed to fix. Don't! This politican was named ADOLF HITLER! He might have got an inbox from hell, but he was the WORST possible solution, and we ever to get a point where even sympathize with this demonic (under any morality) man, our society and our world will be grim danger.

Sorry, this might be to extreme of an example, but many dictators came to power into bad situations to fix things.

Wow there is so much bulsh*t and wrongness in this thread that it managed to attract me from my TF break.

Now, on the idw verse specifically, The Autobots weren't the Regime, they were the military/ police force and under control of the regime.
Megatron wasn't a sports god, he was a miner who lost his job, accidentally killed someone in rage, and then joined the underground and illegal Gladiatorial combat matches, he was only admired by psychos and violent murderers. People he originally hated.
He's also not a nationalist and Patriot, because duh, he hates what his people stand for.

The Autobots did their job, which was fight back when murdering terrorists started murdering their superiors and civilians.

The only Megatrons to ever have noble intentions were idw Megatron (who kinda spiralled into it all until he actually enjoyed himself and started murdering for the fun of it.) and Shattered Glass Megatron.

Aligned Megatron was more evil while in his "good" faze than G1 cartoon Megatron.

Also there the hell do you get the idea that Megatron "invented" Transforming? He never did.

But then again you're of the Raksha mentality and therefore either really stupid or a psychopath, so you'll just continue defending your inane point.

I guess you're also in favour of Cobra over GI Joe, Venom over Spider-Man, and the Joker over Batman.

Dead Metal wrote:But then again you're of the Raksha mentality and therefore either really stupid or a psychopath, so you'll just continue defending your inane point.

Remember kids, snakes do not make you look cool, when you still obsess over non-existent facets from an '80s kids cartoon.