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by **DARK ENERGON** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:18 pm

In reference to IDW's Transformers Megatron Origin comic, the enemy in the first place were the Autobots. Millions of years ago, during the glory days of Cybertron, Iacon was the planet's capital city and seat of Autobot power. The Autobot Senate was a accused of being corrupt according to a young influencial gladiator named Megatron. In his point of view, the Senate somehow conspired to, conceal from the inhabitants that they are capable to for conquest to rule the universe if they are to survive. Utilizing their resources to their disposal to find other potential worlds instead of depending on their local wealth - the very reason why Megatron assembled the Decepticons. Hence, the 'deception' made by the Autobots kept from the Cybertronians.

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Source: IDW's Transformer's Drift Issue # 2

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:03 pm

The Autobots prefer peaceful coexistence and sharing resources. The Deceptions have a 7-step plan for global devastation that includes starting a bunch of wars and killing off as much of the population as possible, then taking everything they can, leaving a dead rock behind.

Who do you think are the real antagonists?

I've heard this before, a bunch of times. The philosophy has to ignore the fact that Megatron gladly lies, cheats, steals and, most of all, mass murders his way to Pyrrhic victory, just because he thought he could run things better than the Primes, in the process destroying the planet he was trying to dominate. Even if he did have noble intentions at one point, he discarded them extremely quickly.

by **DARK ENERGON** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:30 pm

A noble intention that Megatron has is absolutely true. Nevertheless, he still is and ever was the brains behind the transformation process and flight capabilities that made the Cybertronians - Transformers to begin with. I think we owe too much on the mighty tyrant after all,
leaving the Autobots as copy cats. Another point is that creating an Empire really does spell peace although with an iron hand. Even before the Great War, energon was discovered to be abundant from other worlds.
Actually, its Megatron's methods that made the Decepticons villians (who had joined to his cause) no matter how noble their intentions are for their homeworld. If it were not for that the Decepticons could've been the 'good guys'.
I hope I don't create enemies due to my nihilistic view for the Autobots. Just exercised freedom of expression.

News Credits: 50 · by **Burn** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:11 pm

Megatron wants his race to be the dominant species in the universe.

I for one welcome our new alien overlords even if it results in the death of us!

Oh and I went and fixed up the title of this thread, looked like you had a broken caps lock key there. :wink:

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:46 pm

DARK ENERGON wrote:A noble intention that Megatron has is absolutely true. Nevertheless, he still is and ever was the brains behind the transformation process and flight capabilities that made the Cybertronians - Transformers to begin with. I think we owe too much on the mighty tyrant after all,
leaving the Autobots as copy cats.

Innovation and invention doesn't give you a pass on starting a world-destroying interplanetary war. If Tesla or Edison had walked out of their homes, shooting at people and demanding to be made ruler of Earth, spoiler alert, they would have been dead long before getting a throne.

DARK ENERGON wrote:Another point is that creating an Empire really does spell peace although with an iron hand.

Peace with an iron fist isn't peace, it's a dictatorship. Tyranny and oppression and dystopia.

DARK ENERGON wrote:Even before the Great War, energon was discovered to be abundant from other worlds.

That doesn't justify mass murder. Even so, the Autobots are shown receiving that Energon though, as I said, peaceful coexistence. The Decepticons are actually using more Energon in world conquest than the Autobots.

by **DARK ENERGON** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:19 am

All true. But my alliegance stays intact with the Decepticons. One more to be debted to them - Combiner tech.

News Credits: 7 · by **Chaoslock** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:46 am

Depends on which continuity we see...

Marvel US Comics: Autobots are one side of a war, generally good guys, who value life more than anything. Protagonists, definitely.

G1 Cartoon: The autobots didn't let the decepticons away from a planet full of innocent lifeforms when they tried to leave. Borderline antagonists.

Unicron trilogy: We can say protagonists, however, they are abusing the minicons (especially at the end of Armada, when the minicons sacrifice themselfes by the dozen)...

Movie trilogy: (not trying to start another debate here): Autobots kill fleeing Decepticons, execute disabled enemies, blow up their own planet... Definitely antagonists.

IDW Comics: Megatron rose up against a tyrannical autobot system, but in the end, his goals were just as bad as the system he overthrew. Even worse, in the current RiD, Bumblebee and Prowl starts to build up their own tyrannical system - it's not completely black and white as to who the protagonists and antagonists are.

by **DARK ENERGON** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:14 am

I agree.It depends on from what canon you based your view of the Decepticons. The Speilberg production did depict some if many acts of brutality to the poor mechs. But if the Autobots enemies are as that merciless, why not give 'em the bullet in their processors as well. 'A tooth for a tooth!"

News Credits: 2 · by **Twitchythe3rd** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:20 am

It's become more of a Grey vs Grey type of setting in recent times.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:03 am

Chaoslock wrote:G1 Cartoon: The autobots didn't let the decepticons away from a planet full of innocent lifeforms when they tried to leave. Borderline antagonists.

Are we talking about the firs three episodes here? Because if they let Megatron leave Earth, he would have gone back and dominated Cybertron. It's not borderline antagonism, it's like keeping a robber in the bank, because if you let him leave, he's going to go set your house on fire and you won't be able to stop him.

Chaoslock wrote:Unicron trilogy: We can say protagonists, however, they are abusing the minicons (especially at the end of Armada, when the minicons sacrifice themselfes by the dozen)...

They're partnering with the mini-cons, peaceful cooperation. They even sent the mini-cons to Earth just to prevent the Decepticons from abusing them.

Chaoslock wrote:Movie trilogy: (not trying to start another debate here): Autobots kill fleeing Decepticons, execute disabled enemies, blow up their own planet... Definitely antagonists.

The Decepticons aren't much better, but with the added bonus of mass murdering fleeing humans. And blowing up Cybertron was the only way to stop the destruction of Earth and enslavement of the human race. Which do you think is a better option, total enslavement of a species, or destroying a planet that even it's inhabitants admit is already dead anyway?

And we need to have a talk about Protagonist/Antagonist. See, a protagonist is the hero of the story, regardless of morality. So the Autobots are always the protagonists, sometimes they're just kind of jerks.

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