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Re: Are the Autobots the real antagonists in the world of Transformers?

Postby Hi-Q » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:42 am

Without Megatron there are no decepticons to begin with.
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Re: Are the Autobots the real antagonists in the world of Transformers?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:07 am

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Hi-Q wrote:Without Megatron there are no decepticons to begin with.


Except for the times I mentioned when the faction existed before him.
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Re: Are the Autobots the real antagonists in the world of Transformers?

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:32 am

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I've always thought of the Autobots as the "real bad guys". The only reason the humans want them to win is because the Decepticons are willing to destroy them and their resources to bring order to Cybertron.
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Re: Are the Autobots the real antagonists in the world of Transformers?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:23 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:I've always thought of the Autobots as the "real bad guys". The only reason the humans want them to win is because the Decepticons are willing to destroy them and their resources to bring order to Cybertron.


Yeah, the Autobots are the real villains because they they aren't belligerent alien invaders. When I saw you had the latest post, I expected you to make a nonsensical logic-free argument like this.
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Re: Are the Autobots the real antagonists in the world of Transformers?

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:18 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:I've always thought of the Autobots as the "real bad guys". The only reason the humans want them to win is because the Decepticons are willing to destroy them and their resources to bring order to Cybertron.


Yeah, the Autobots are the real villains because they they aren't belligerent alien invaders. When I saw you had the latest post, I expected you to make a nonsensical logic-free argument like this.



Well, it's true. The Autobots let Cybertron die in the most recent TF universes, while the Decepticons are actually trying to do something about it.
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Re: Are the Autobots the real antagonists in the world of Transformers?

Postby njb902 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:31 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:I've always thought of the Autobots as the "real bad guys". The only reason the humans want them to win is because the Decepticons are willing to destroy them and their resources to bring order to Cybertron.


Yeah, the Autobots are the real villains because they they aren't belligerent alien invaders. When I saw you had the latest post, I expected you to make a nonsensical logic-free argument like this.



Well, it's true. The Autobots let Cybertron die in the most recent TF universes, while the Decepticons are actually trying to do something about it.


yeah cause the autobots losing the war/s really helped them kickoff their grand restoration project. I mean what defeated people haven't went on to rebuild their country/civilization in the face of the triumphant opposition ......wait what's that magic aardvark the winners rebuild/replace/fund/use the defeated as labour/convert them/wipeout/rape/pillage/plunder/use as cannon fodder/enslave/......pfffffffffft when has that ever happened.
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Re: Are the Autobots the real antagonists in the world of Transformers?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:44 pm

Motto: "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
SlyTF1 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:I've always thought of the Autobots as the "real bad guys". The only reason the humans want them to win is because the Decepticons are willing to destroy them and their resources to bring order to Cybertron.


Yeah, the Autobots are the real villains because they they aren't belligerent alien invaders. When I saw you had the latest post, I expected you to make a nonsensical logic-free argument like this.



Well, it's true. The Autobots let Cybertron die in the most recent TF universes, while the Decepticons are actually trying to do something about it.


Except for Aligned, where it was directly Megatron's fault. And the movies, where Cybertron had to be sacrificed in some way to stop Megatron from doing something really awful. (All three of Megatron's plans would have caused the destruction of Earth on some scale) And IDW where it was caused by Thunderwing, a Decepticon. And both Animated and the Unicron Trilogy, where Cybertron is perfectly fine. And Beast Wars, where Cybertron is at peace because of Autobot Victory. (At least until Beast Machines)
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Re: Are the Autobots the real antagonists in the world of Transformers?

Postby Stormer » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:58 pm

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d_sel1 wrote:If not, was there also a possibility that the Decepticons might decided to go with a "peaceful divorce option" and left Cybertron to the Autobots and pursued to build colonies or an empire in parts unknown to TFs, instead of "Cybertron is Ours!" option?


Of course not. They were fighting to take control of Cybertron, leaving to found their own planet would be just giving up the war and letting the Autobots win, and that's not Megatron's style.


I'd like to add this additional observation to Shadowman's answer - It wouldn't be an option because the Autobots couldn't unleash the Decepticons into the Universe. The 'Cons wanted complete domination of Cybertron, and eventually the known or not so known universe. Therefore if they can't have that (in the divorce), they're going to take over someone else's home to be the seat of their empire. From there, who's to stop them? When it comes down to it, I don't see the Autobots allowing the Decepticons to commit atrocities on others just to save their own planet for themselves. The Autobots would be just as guilty, and when the empire finally comes back, they'd lose Cybertron in the end anyway.
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