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Cyberstrike wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:

Tusko wrote:A little harsh!
I think while the More Than Meets the Eye concept was nice: to collect and describe all the characters in one volume of work - the internet and instant searches make the concept a dinosaur.

The lesson is that we must be moving forward, not backward. And upward, not downward. And we must always be twirling. TWIRLING!

I'm going to have to agree with Tusko. Seems more like a hate article then anything else. Not to take anything away from you DB, but it just seems way to anti-Dreamwave to be taken otherwise.

Actually DB is nicer to Dreamwave than some of others.
There is a pair of especially nasty articles that I read at TFArchive called "The Dreamwave Disaster" and "War and Pieces" by the TFA's resident self-proclaimed bastrd Cliffjumper.

You can ask Dreyer for the links, since I'm not on the best
terms with TFA anymore.

Not a lot of people are. I have no desire to read their articles anyways.

Liege Evilmus wrote:Interesting, but (off topic) what was the crossover story between G1 and Armada?

The crossover occured from Armada #14-17, called "World's Collide". Basically, Unicron sent five heralds to soften up the TFs before his eventual arrival. These five were familiar looking G1 Decepticons including Galvatron, Dirge, Thunderwing, Bludgeon, and Scourge.

The storyline was pretty good, and written by Furman (as you may have noticed it includes most of Furman's pet characters).

Synopsis of these issues can be found here.
http://bwtf.com/cbreviews/dw/

Loki120 wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:Interesting, but (off topic) what was the crossover story between G1 and Armada?

The crossover occured from Armada #14-17, called "World's Collide". Basically, Unicron sent five heralds to soften up the TFs before his eventual arrival. These five were familiar looking G1 Decepticons including Galvatron, Dirge, Thunderwing, Bludgeon, and Scourge.

The storyline was pretty good, and written by Furman (as you may have noticed it includes most of Furman's pet characters).

Synopsis of these issues can be found here.


http://bwtf.com/cbreviews/dw/

Not to mention one of the most well received story arcs ever.

Down_Shift wrote:Not a lot of people are. I have no desire to read their articles anyways.

Well, you have now, since these were posted over there first.

Down_Shift wrote:Not to mention one of the most well received story arcs ever.

At the time, I agree. Looking back on it now, though, I really have to wonder why.

Cyberstrike wrote:There is a pair of especially nasty articles that I read at TFArchive called "The Dreamwave Disaster" and "War and Pieces" by the TFA's resident self-proclaimed bastrd Cliffjumper.

Well, I wouldn't say that I totally disagree with what he said in those articles, there are points that, strictly speaking, I do agree with.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:Not a lot of people are. I have no desire to read their articles anyways.

Well, you have now, since these were posted over there first.

Well seeing as it was here, I don't mind. Seibertron has a warmer environment.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:Not to mention one of the most well received story arcs ever.

At the time, I agree. Looking back on it now, though, I really have to wonder why.

No doubt in my mind why it was such a sucsess. It was well written and wonderfully drawn out. Few of the good qualities that Dreamwave had, are rarely seen in any of the new comics IDW puts forth.

Down_Shift wrote:No doubt in my mind why it was such a sucsess. It was well written and wonderfully drawn out. Few of the good qualities that Dreamwave had, are rarely seen in any of the new comics IDW puts forth.

I'll agree with you on that. However, I do have to point out that I do think that having G1 characters involved was a bit gratuitous, and that #18 totally devalued the whole thing.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:No doubt in my mind why it was such a sucsess. It was well written and wonderfully drawn out. Few of the good qualities that Dreamwave had, are rarely seen in any of the new comics IDW puts forth.

I'll agree with you on that. However, I do have to point out that I do think that having G1 characters involved was a bit gratuitous, and that #18 totally devalued the whole thing.

What one was #18

Down_Shift wrote:What one was #18

http://www.seibertron.com/comics/view.php?comic_id=710

Down_Shift wrote:

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:No doubt in my mind why it was such a sucsess. It was well written and wonderfully drawn out. Few of the good qualities that Dreamwave had, are rarely seen in any of the new comics IDW puts forth.

I'll agree with you on that. However, I do have to point out that I do think that having G1 characters involved was a bit gratuitous, and that #18 totally devalued the whole thing.

What one was #18

The one where Unicron attacked was blown across the universe.
and it was the last issue in the series to be called
"Transformers: Armarda" when #19 was released the series was
re-titled "Transformers: Energon".
That wasn't a good story by at all because IMHO that
Unicron (and Primus for that matter) are and should be treated as mega events.
The simple problem was Furman had no time to make a way to make Unicron's attack in TF: A #18 epic, all it came off as
cheap rip-off of TF: TM and his Marvel US TF #75. This is because he had just finished the TF:A/G1 crossover arc that would been a great lead in and in one standard 22 page issue
he had Unicron attack Cybertron and get badly damaged and blown across the universe and taking Megatron with him.


The story should've been done in a bi-weekly format and Unicron's final attack should've been in #25 (or at least a double size issue) this would've allowed him to:
A) To tie up and resolve any and all major plots with the Armada versions of the TFs and the Armarda kids.
B) To give more than a token appearence to Beast Characters
(Rhionx, Cheetor, Airrazor, and Predacon)
B) allowed him to introduce some new Energon characters (i.e.Ironhide and Scroprock)
C) He could've given a chance to show characters like:
Galavtron and Nemesis Prime.

Dreamwave and Hasbrow dropped the ball on it and all we got
was quick wrap up that felt empty and hollow.

I have to agree with an earlier poster. I much preferred Dreamwave to IDW. Of course the Marvel stuff will always be my canon.

On topic, I enjoyed the Armada MTMTE. Despite, the continuity clashes, I enjoyed the entries for Galvatron and Nemesis Prime.

Continuity clashes don't bother me anymore because we have so many continuities anyway and I've given up trying to reconcile them.

That's the main problem I have with IDW G1, another new version of G1 and one I don't enjoy near sa much as I did with Marvel or Dreamwave.

Marvel TF lasted for nearly a decade, including G2. The reason? Good stories and interesting characters such as the idealistic Blaster, the traitorous Starscream and the Matrix possessed Thunderwing. Personally, I always enjoyed Budiansky's Prowl. I much prefer character to epic which is why I had a fondness for Dreamwave as I felt they had a better grasp of the G1 characters.

On topic, I'm not fond of Mini-cons but MTMTE really endeared me to Rollout/Overload. Would have liked to see the Energon MTMTE, if for no other reason than to see if Ultra Magnus would be a powered up Overload or preferably his own character. Plus I love the Terrorcons.