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I think that none of us are realizing the major problem of the series: Mini-Cons. I loved Armada, and it was my favorite Cartoon/TF Comic. So I bought MTMTE in hopes of finding a cool book about the series I loved.

ALmost all of the book was full of Mini-Cons, to my dismay. Nobody cares about each individual Mini-Con. Barely any of the bios were about Autobots or Decepticons. About 3/4, maybe 3/5 of it was Mini-Cons.

Uhh...Scaleface? This was a Dreamwave idea. IDW probably won't do an Energon MTMTE. The didn't even finish Energon. I still wish that IDW would've done Cybertron, though...

Scaleface wrote:I will definitely pick up the IDW Beast Wars Bio books too.

When exactly is that supposed to be out, anyway?

x-ultramagnus-x wrote:when is this book released?

March - May of 2004.

I didn't really like the Armada MTMTE series either. But, I didn't get a chance to comment on the G1 MTMTE series before Seibertron had it problems last weeks, so here goes.

I thought that series was great. I think the ratio of good art to bad art is more like 1 bad to every 5 good, not the other way around. And, kudos to the writers for attempting to tie together the myriad of continuities and conflicts. Can't say I agree with it all, but it was a good attempt.

Personally, I think more TF fans should just chalk up more inconsistencies to the cartoons and former comics having screwing up a lot of things. If it wasn't for that, we would have a lot less in-fighting. Rumble would be red, there would be no Skyfire, no debates over gender, no debates over water on Cybertron, no dumb matrices (leadership or creation or Decepticon), Laserbeak wouldn't be a spy, etc, etc, etc.

Frankly, I'm not exactly sure why Darth Bombshell's Dreamwave hate piece is considered "news." I don't have anything against the guy, and we could probably have lots of discussions about the MTMTE guides in forums... but putting it as "news" means that his opinions about these books are facts.

They're not. They're opinions.

Personally, I was glad to have bios for all the little minicons. They were the only things about Armada that I did enjoy (after all, the bigger toys looked like Playschool Gobots). Was it perfect? No. But they should at least get kudo points for trying.

The Armada comic was a short one and didn't have time for every character. Thankfully, Furman stayed away from the cartoon, so it doesn't mesh well with the cartoon. So they "had" to find some way of discussing the other characters, otherwise folks would have been saying "you forgot to put blahblahatron in there!!111"

There's a lot of hate for Dreamwave out there, and yes, it was hurtful the way they went out. But let's not let the hate for the guys on top *coughPatLeecough* completely destroy the hard work the writers and artists did for these various books.

Black Bumblebee wrote:Frankly, I'm not exactly sure why Darth Bombshell's Dreamwave hate piece is considered "news."

Neither do I, to be honest. Ask Hot_Rod. He's the one who made it, and the others, a news story.

Black Bumblebee wrote:The Armada comic was a short one and didn't have time for every character. Thankfully, Furman stayed away from the cartoon, so it doesn't mesh well with the cartoon.

Um...no, they didn't. Nemesis Prime's entire bio is based on a cartoon only thing, which would be fine except that no equivalent situation happened in the comic.

Black Bumblebee wrote:Frankly, I'm not exactly sure why Darth Bombshell's Dreamwave hate piece is considered "news." I don't have anything against the guy, and we could probably have lots of discussions about the MTMTE guides in forums... but putting it as "news" means that his opinions about these books are facts.

They're not. They're opinions.

Personally, I was glad to have bios for all the little minicons. They were the only things about Armada that I did enjoy (after all, the bigger toys looked like Playschool Gobots). Was it perfect? No. But they should at least get kudo points for trying.

The Armada comic was a short one and didn't have time for every character. Thankfully, Furman stayed away from the cartoon, so it doesn't mesh well with the cartoon. So they "had" to find some way of discussing the other characters, otherwise folks would have been saying "you forgot to put blahblahatron in there!!111"

There's a lot of hate for Dreamwave out there, and yes, it was hurtful the way they went out. But let's not let the hate for the guys on top *coughPatLeecough* completely destroy the hard work the writers and artists did for these various books.

No we are show casing articles. It is news about content on the site, just like when we post news on photo galleries.

Just turning up to add that I found the Armada MTMTE very useful - far more so than the meagre amount of information available online (and I might add, the Internet isn't the most convenient source for everyone).

ALmost all of the book was full of Mini-Cons, to my dismay. Nobody cares about each individual Mini-Con. Barely any of the bios were about Autobots or Decepticons. About 3/4, maybe 3/5 of it was Mini-Cons.

As a matter of fact, some people do. And the fact that they far outnumbered the Autobots and Decepticons in the series is hardly surprising - all you have to do is count. Thirteen Bulks vs. eighty-odd Minicons: guess which group will take up more page space? *shrug*

(As a matter of interest, is there something that people wanted to see instead? Only I don't hang round in this area much, and I'm not clear on how you can waste page space unless a), the space is limited and b), something is left out in favour of the waste of space. And if there's room to spare, why *not* shove a load of Minicon art in?)

Scaleface wrote:Personally I liked both MTMTE series, and I hope they someday release the Energon one. I know they did a lot of the art for Issue #1, as I have some of it! I actually have the original art of Energon Alpha Trion on my wall. I hope we see it some day.

I have been collecting all the fan made MTMTE style pages I can get and bound them into book, like a Universe MTMTE, and an Alternators MTMTE. Fun stuff.

I will definitely pick up the IDW Beast Wars Bio books too. I hope they do Energon, Cybertron, Classics, Beast Machines, Machine Wars, etc...

I agree. I would have loved for them to finish Energon and eventually written a MTMTE on it. Same with Cybertron. To me all the comics post DW have been lack luster in both art and story line. While they are getting better, they can't hold a candle to DW in my opinion. The MTMTE stuff in the Collectors Club is very well received by the fanbase and until I saw Darths article on the G1 MTMTE and now this one, I had no idea that any fans other then a few of the guys from the UK had a problem with it.

One thing to keep in mind is no one can say for sure what Dreamwave would have done down the road. They seemed to have a long term goal of filling in the blanks the 80s and current TV show gave us. Nemesis Prime and Galvatron may very well have been written into a later issue of Energon, Cybertron, or even Universe. No one can say what the grand plans were other then the people at Dreamwave themselves.

No while I don't see eye to eye with the article, I appreciate it being written and the time it must have took to put it all down. Black Bumblebee, I can see your point of asking why it's front paged. But your perception of it is all wrong man. Just because it's in the news does not make it fact. This is a news and fan site. Not every bit of news has to be about Fast Action Battlers or Movie Megatron. This is mearly another discussion point that has been brought to the table by one of our own staff members.

Will people take Darth Bombshells articles to heart? Maybe. Will it give the topic some breathing room and start a discussion? Most Definatly. I hope you understand why Hotrod front paged this in the news.

Down_Shift wrote:

Tusko wrote:A little harsh!
I think while the More Than Meets the Eye concept was nice: to collect and describe all the characters in one volume of work - the internet and instant searches make the concept a dinosaur.

The lesson is that we must be moving forward, not backward. And upward, not downward. And we must always be twirling. TWIRLING!

I'm going to have to agree with Tusko. Seems more like a hate article then anything else. Not to take anything away from you DB, but it just seems way to anti-Dreamwave to be taken otherwise.

Actually DB is nicer to Dreamwave than some of others.
There is a pair of especially nasty articles that I read at TFArchive called "The Dreamwave Disaster" and "War and Pieces" by the TFA's resident self-proclaimed bastrd Cliffjumper.

You can ask Denyer for the links, since I'm not on the best
terms with TFA anymore.

Cyberstrike wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:

Tusko wrote:A little harsh!
I think while the More Than Meets the Eye concept was nice: to collect and describe all the characters in one volume of work - the internet and instant searches make the concept a dinosaur.

The lesson is that we must be moving forward, not backward. And upward, not downward. And we must always be twirling. TWIRLING!

I'm going to have to agree with Tusko. Seems more like a hate article then anything else. Not to take anything away from you DB, but it just seems way to anti-Dreamwave to be taken otherwise.

Actually DB is nicer to Dreamwave than some of others.
There is a pair of especially nasty articles that I read at TFArchive called "The Dreamwave Disaster" and "War and Pieces" by the TFA's resident self-proclaimed bastrd Cliffjumper.

You can ask Dreyer for the links, since I'm not on the best
terms with TFA anymore.

Not a lot of people are. I have no desire to read their articles anyways.

Liege Evilmus wrote:Interesting, but (off topic) what was the crossover story between G1 and Armada?

The crossover occured from Armada #14-17, called "World's Collide". Basically, Unicron sent five heralds to soften up the TFs before his eventual arrival. These five were familiar looking G1 Decepticons including Galvatron, Dirge, Thunderwing, Bludgeon, and Scourge.

The storyline was pretty good, and written by Furman (as you may have noticed it includes most of Furman's pet characters).

Synopsis of these issues can be found here.
http://bwtf.com/cbreviews/dw/

Loki120 wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:Interesting, but (off topic) what was the crossover story between G1 and Armada?

The crossover occured from Armada #14-17, called "World's Collide". Basically, Unicron sent five heralds to soften up the TFs before his eventual arrival. These five were familiar looking G1 Decepticons including Galvatron, Dirge, Thunderwing, Bludgeon, and Scourge.

The storyline was pretty good, and written by Furman (as you may have noticed it includes most of Furman's pet characters).

Synopsis of these issues can be found here.


http://bwtf.com/cbreviews/dw/

Not to mention one of the most well received story arcs ever.

Down_Shift wrote:Not a lot of people are. I have no desire to read their articles anyways.

Well, you have now, since these were posted over there first.

Down_Shift wrote:Not to mention one of the most well received story arcs ever.

At the time, I agree. Looking back on it now, though, I really have to wonder why.

Cyberstrike wrote:There is a pair of especially nasty articles that I read at TFArchive called "The Dreamwave Disaster" and "War and Pieces" by the TFA's resident self-proclaimed bastrd Cliffjumper.

Well, I wouldn't say that I totally disagree with what he said in those articles, there are points that, strictly speaking, I do agree with.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:Not a lot of people are. I have no desire to read their articles anyways.

Well, you have now, since these were posted over there first.

Well seeing as it was here, I don't mind. Seibertron has a warmer environment.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:Not to mention one of the most well received story arcs ever.

At the time, I agree. Looking back on it now, though, I really have to wonder why.

No doubt in my mind why it was such a sucsess. It was well written and wonderfully drawn out. Few of the good qualities that Dreamwave had, are rarely seen in any of the new comics IDW puts forth.

Down_Shift wrote:No doubt in my mind why it was such a sucsess. It was well written and wonderfully drawn out. Few of the good qualities that Dreamwave had, are rarely seen in any of the new comics IDW puts forth.

I'll agree with you on that. However, I do have to point out that I do think that having G1 characters involved was a bit gratuitous, and that #18 totally devalued the whole thing.

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:No doubt in my mind why it was such a sucsess. It was well written and wonderfully drawn out. Few of the good qualities that Dreamwave had, are rarely seen in any of the new comics IDW puts forth.

I'll agree with you on that. However, I do have to point out that I do think that having G1 characters involved was a bit gratuitous, and that #18 totally devalued the whole thing.

What one was #18

Down_Shift wrote:What one was #18

http://www.seibertron.com/comics/view.php?comic_id=710

Down_Shift wrote:

Darth Bombshell wrote:

Down_Shift wrote:No doubt in my mind why it was such a sucsess. It was well written and wonderfully drawn out. Few of the good qualities that Dreamwave had, are rarely seen in any of the new comics IDW puts forth.

I'll agree with you on that. However, I do have to point out that I do think that having G1 characters involved was a bit gratuitous, and that #18 totally devalued the whole thing.

What one was #18

The one where Unicron attacked was blown across the universe.
and it was the last issue in the series to be called
"Transformers: Armarda" when #19 was released the series was
re-titled "Transformers: Energon".
That wasn't a good story by at all because IMHO that
Unicron (and Primus for that matter) are and should be treated as mega events.
The simple problem was Furman had no time to make a way to make Unicron's attack in TF: A #18 epic, all it came off as
cheap rip-off of TF: TM and his Marvel US TF #75. This is because he had just finished the TF:A/G1 crossover arc that would been a great lead in and in one standard 22 page issue
he had Unicron attack Cybertron and get badly damaged and blown across the universe and taking Megatron with him.


The story should've been done in a bi-weekly format and Unicron's final attack should've been in #25 (or at least a double size issue) this would've allowed him to:
A) To tie up and resolve any and all major plots with the Armada versions of the TFs and the Armarda kids.
B) To give more than a token appearence to Beast Characters
(Rhionx, Cheetor, Airrazor, and Predacon)
B) allowed him to introduce some new Energon characters (i.e.Ironhide and Scroprock)
C) He could've given a chance to show characters like:
Galavtron and Nemesis Prime.

Dreamwave and Hasbrow dropped the ball on it and all we got
was quick wrap up that felt empty and hollow.

I have to agree with an earlier poster. I much preferred Dreamwave to IDW. Of course the Marvel stuff will always be my canon.

On topic, I enjoyed the Armada MTMTE. Despite, the continuity clashes, I enjoyed the entries for Galvatron and Nemesis Prime.

Continuity clashes don't bother me anymore because we have so many continuities anyway and I've given up trying to reconcile them.

That's the main problem I have with IDW G1, another new version of G1 and one I don't enjoy near sa much as I did with Marvel or Dreamwave.

Marvel TF lasted for nearly a decade, including G2. The reason? Good stories and interesting characters such as the idealistic Blaster, the traitorous Starscream and the Matrix possessed Thunderwing. Personally, I always enjoyed Budiansky's Prowl. I much prefer character to epic which is why I had a fondness for Dreamwave as I felt they had a better grasp of the G1 characters.

On topic, I'm not fond of Mini-cons but MTMTE really endeared me to Rollout/Overload. Would have liked to see the Energon MTMTE, if for no other reason than to see if Ultra Magnus would be a powered up Overload or preferably his own character. Plus I love the Terrorcons.