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kjyl wrote:hal picks up bats in giant green fist, squish.

how can batman dodge that.

The same way he's dodged being caught by Superman.

By out thinking him.

Further more Batman has any number of devices that can disrupt Hal's control of his ring.

Batman is not a killer. it is really his one rule, heck that is why the joker loves him, because even if batman snaps one day, after he has gassed an orphanage, and finally just kills him. he will have won because he will have proved that the batman is just like him. The whole of the joker's existance has been pretty much a dare to bats to off him.

Jordan was a fighter pilot, he has been trained to kill, at least via a fighter plane. if one of them was to cross that line Hal would probably be the one to do it first.

You might want to "re-check" your facts.

Batman has shown he's willing to kill in some cases.

But he wouldnt need to kill Hal to stop him.

Jeep : That does bring up a good point, which batman are we talking about the one from red son? speeding bullets? Dick grayson?

if it is the current "bruce wayne" batman then hal wins just because Bats is a corpse. Given no specifics I defaulted to, for want of a better term "Iconic Bruce wayne batman" and one of his big "tenets is thou shall not kill". not saying he could not be driven to it, but, it would take a lot and I just think Hal would get to that point faster.

loki: I thought new frontiers was excellent, but that does illistrate my point, Hal will kill, it may screw him up afterwards, but, he can do it.

as for dodgeing, batman is good, but he cannot dodge things at the speed of thought. If green lanterns can catch superboy prime, they can catch batman with an attack. if it gets to the point of a physical confrentation, where both know what is going on, batman just cannot win.

though to be perfectly honest if Batman, and Hal jordan were put in a situation where one had to die, I almost think it would be a race to see who could kill themselves first.

kjyl wrote:Jeep : That does bring up a good point, which batman are we talking about the one from red son? speeding bullets? Dick grayson?

if it is the current "bruce wayne" batman then hal wins just because Bats is a corpse.

Or is he????

as for dodgeing, batman is good, but he cannot dodge things at the speed of thought. If green lanterns can catch superboy prime, they can catch batman with an attack.

Thats not exactly true either.

The speed of thought is a "relative" term....in short its directly related to the one thinking.

Basicly....if one can "out think" a GL and anticapate his next move then he would be able to dodge a GL attack.

Superboy Prime just wasnt that smart....Bats is.

you are saying that batman can dodge an attack that a super genius who can move at more then the speed of light is incapable of dodging?

no human is that fast or that right all of the time. people can and have in the past hit batman. hal jordan himself has punched batman if he can hit him with a fist, he can hit him with a construct.heck just put batman in a 100 foot cube then shrink the cube to 1 inch. dead bat and no way to dodge.



if the question is can batman succesfully attack hal jordan when hal does not know batman is going to attack him , the answer is yes. but so can hal do the same to batman

if they have the same amount of warning ,well, it swings to Hal


and yeah Bruce is dead, Black hand has been carring around his skull like a teddy bear. even used it to manifest him for a short while.

kjyl wrote:and yeah Bruce is dead, Black hand has been carring around his skull like a teddy bear. even used it to manifest him for a short while.

The same was thought of Sparky, Aunt May, Venom, Carnage, Superman, they where all thought to be dead but they all came back even when some of them died on screen. Batman may be dead right now, but just wait till the current story finishes WB knows better than to kill off one of their most successful characters.

Dead Metal wrote:

kjyl wrote:and yeah Bruce is dead, Black hand has been carring around his skull like a teddy bear. even used it to manifest him for a short while.

The same was thought of Sparky, Aunt May, Venom, Carnage, Superman, they where all thought to be dead but they all came back even when some of them died on screen. Batman may be dead right now, but just wait till the current story finishes WB knows better than to kill off one of their most successful characters.

You mean DC. Warner Bros. DOES own DC Comics, but DC is the one who writes the stories.

kjyl wrote:you are saying that batman can dodge an attack that a super genius who can move at more then the speed of light is incapable of dodging?

Superboy Prime is no super genius.

Not all pre-crisis Krptonians had the same abilities and weaknesses.

Furthermore, DC has really been consistent with the idea of "super intelligence" anyway.

hal jordan himself has punched batman if he can hit him with a fist, he can hit him with a construct.

Sucker punch.

Which is besides the point.

I already said that the only way Hal could take Bats it tocompletly sneek up on him....meaning Bats cant have any idea a fight is going on.

heck just put batman in a 100 foot cube then shrink the cube to 1 inch. dead bat and no way to dodge.

Again, Bats would have a device that would disrupte Hals control over his ring.

if the question is can batman succesfully attack hal jordan when hal does not know batman is going to attack him , the answer is yes. but so can hal do the same to batman

I can see that.....but Hal would have a harder go at it.

And to put a twist on your words....."if the question is can batman successfully attack hal jordan when hal does know batman is going to attack him , the answer is yes. but could not hal do the same to batman"

If they had the same amount of warning, the fight swings to the guy whos better prepaired.

And thats Batman.

and yeah Bruce is dead, Black hand has been carring around his skull like a teddy bear. even used it to manifest him for a short while.

And no, its not a proven fact that the skull belongs to Bruce.

If you want me to explain let me know.

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

kjyl wrote:and yeah Bruce is dead, Black hand has been carring around his skull like a teddy bear. even used it to manifest him for a short while.

The same was thought of Sparky, Aunt May, Venom, Carnage, Superman, they where all thought to be dead but they all came back even when some of them died on screen. Batman may be dead right now, but just wait till the current story finishes WB knows better than to kill off one of their most successful characters.

You mean DC. Warner Bros. DOES own DC Comics, but DC is the one who writes the stories.

Yes they write the comics but if that writing results in loosing money WB can still tell them to "fix that". It's like Audi and Lamborghini, Audi owns them and has the power to make the final decision on the product.

superboy prime is supposed to be the silver age superboy with all of the nonsese that entails so, yeah super-hypnotism here we come. super intelligence we will leave aside for now because well it is way to over the map. But that leaves being faster then the speed of light and the reflexes that entails.

I would like the explanation of how it is not bruce's skull if Black hand could use it to manafest bruce, though I do agree he will be back.

but all of that is besides the point. what device are you taking about? and how would he have time to use it. If an unaugmented human can hit batman, which they do, and it would take less time to use a construct, how would he have time to use it if he cannot even stop people from punching him?

Dead Metal wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

kjyl wrote:and yeah Bruce is dead, Black hand has been carring around his skull like a teddy bear. even used it to manifest him for a short while.

The same was thought of Sparky, Aunt May, Venom, Carnage, Superman, they where all thought to be dead but they all came back even when some of them died on screen. Batman may be dead right now, but just wait till the current story finishes WB knows better than to kill off one of their most successful characters.

You mean DC. Warner Bros. DOES own DC Comics, but DC is the one who writes the stories.

Yes they write the comics but if that writing results in loosing money WB can still tell them to "fix that". It's like Audi and Lamborghini, Audi owns them and has the power to make the final decision on the product.

Technically, yes, they can. But they won't. It's called Executive Meddling, it rarely ever happens, and when it does it almost always goes very, very poorly.