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cp.06 wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Night Raid wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Chops13 wrote:all i want is a good movie he needs to make transformers that are not in 2 places at the same time like the issue with devastator in tf2...... you know the basic stuff then maybe we can talk about 3D

What are you talking about? Where was Devastator in two places?

I believe he means one or two of the robots that made up Devastator. There seemed to be a lot of robots sharing the same alt mode in that movie. Alt modes go a long way toward determining how a robot looks. Robots sharing the same alt mode (i.e. a garbage truck or a crane) will often look very similar, leading people to get them mixed up.

A very fair point, but this is one of my problems withe film's detractors.

They complain about "I can't figure out what was going on! It was a mess!" No, it wasn't. They just didn't care to pay attention, or weren't capable of it. In both cases, neither of those are Bay's fault.

I'll agree that Bay does expect a lot of his audience, and tying up all the loose threads through out the movies is one of those moments.

However, anyone with a little patience, and a little common sense can see that Devastator is a hive mind of whatever Constructicon vehicles he so chooses to incorporate into his being.

And that the other Constructicons took their Earth forms as a way of disguise. Nothing more, nothing less. Well, one thing...their Earth forms allow them access to new weapons and technology. Plus it gives them the perfect camouflage for a sneak attack.

The troops that Megatron and The Fallen sent down to Earth were untested and had no prior experience with the humans, so they never realized that the humans would be able to see through their disguises. At that point, they stopped caring about hiding their true forms, which could explain why some of the Protoforms went unchanged.

As for the toys aspect of it, Devastator appeared in vehicle and combined robot mode only, not as individuals. So Hasbro did NOT lie to us when they made the Ultimate Class sized Devastator be just that. A combined robot formed of construction vehicles, minus individual robot modes. All you have to do is watch the movie to have this make sense.

And yes, I realize the individual Constructicons did have names, whereas Dev's components did not. (in the movie, that is.)

Now, on the flip side of that in the toy world, yes, Devastator's components have names, Legends Dev has robot modes, and individual Deluxe and Voyager Class figures were made of Long Haul, Rampage, and Demolishor. But that was out of necessity to a degree. Yes, it was a somewhat dirty money making tactic, leading people to believe these figures would combine together, I get that. But it also helped make sales with the nostalgia crowd. "I remember that guy!" plus they didn't want to hear us complain about "Why doesn't that toy have a name to it?!"

No matter which way it's handled, no one's going to win, and no one's going to let anyone win. So it's a stalemate for the next however many years to come and we're either going to have to learn to deal with it, or find some other outlet.

Bay's not perfect, but he's not stupid. If folks can't make the leap and figure out common sense things, that's their fault, not his.

Hasbro's not perfect, but they're not sleaze free either. They knew that if they made them seem like they all combined or did something, we collectors and the target audience of kids would buy it all up. And it worked. If we're dumb enough to buy into their product, we have only ourselves to blame.

If people paid more attention, there wouldn't be as many problems. At that point, you still wouldn't have to like the changes made and what's been done, but because you paid attention and thereby saved yourself from making a stupid decision, you've forfeited your right to bitch.

I really don't understand how people got all confused by the film, I really don't. As for Barricade's existence (is he alive? is he dead?) I will give you that one. That one should've probably been answered, but it's pretty much conceivable that the Autobots and N.E.S.T. finally caught up with him and eliminated him. And if they haven't, he could be more cannon fodder for TF3.

No offense or anything, but it seems like you are making excuses for Bay and the writers.
Let's be honest here, TF2 was rushed. I'm just hoping they spend more time on TF3.
And 3D would be awesome. I don't know why anyone is complaining about 3D! Did you not see AVATAR?!
3D is the future. Embrace it.

No offense or anything, but it seems like you are making excuses for Bay and the writers.
Let's be honest here, TF2 was rushed. I'm just hoping they spend more time on TF3.
And 3D would be awesome. I don't know why anyone is complaining about 3D! Did you not see AVATAR?!
3D is the future. Embrace it.

JazZeke wrote:This rumor circulated when they started filming the last movie too. I really hope they don't try this. That shaky-cam is headache-inducing enough.

syphonn wrote:I dread to think what objects they would put in 3D

gigazarak wrote:

Night Raid wrote:

Nightwalker wrote:It surpises me that they didn't use 3D before... Therefor I think it's a very cool idea to make TF3 3D. And I really don't understand why so many people here are whining about it... looks like some people here are just looking for something to complain about! Get over it!

Isn't having 3D give you vertigo a legitimate complaint? I'm not dissing the idea... I'm just saying that it'd be nice to have the option to see it the regular way too.

Yeah I agree, I thought Avatar was a terrible wank, but seeing it in 2D would have been a less harrowing experience for me, but cinemas everywhere seemed to be only playing the 3D version at regular times, so you had no choice really, funny how the stats claim that 3D movies are being seen in record numbers! Moviegoers don't have much option!

*edit* well you DO have a choice, just don't see it *edit*

Night Raid wrote:If TF3 is indeed going to be released in 3D, I hope it is also released in non-3D. Watching movies in 3D never fails to make me either get sick to my stomach or give me a huge headache.

Autobot032 wrote:Oh and "no offense"? Your post was basically ramming an opinion down our throats. Don't do it again.

Night Raid wrote:

gigazarak wrote:

Night Raid wrote:

Nightwalker wrote:It surpises me that they didn't use 3D before... Therefor I think it's a very cool idea to make TF3 3D. And I really don't understand why so many people here are whining about it... looks like some people here are just looking for something to complain about! Get over it!

Isn't having 3D give you vertigo a legitimate complaint? I'm not dissing the idea... I'm just saying that it'd be nice to have the option to see it the regular way too.

Yeah I agree, I thought Avatar was a terrible wank, but seeing it in 2D would have been a less harrowing experience for me, but cinemas everywhere seemed to be only playing the 3D version at regular times, so you had no choice really, funny how the stats claim that 3D movies are being seen in record numbers! Moviegoers don't have much option!

*edit* well you DO have a choice, just don't see it *edit*

You're saying that if I don't want to see it in 3D and probably get sick, I have to skip the movie?

HECTOR wrote:

syphonn wrote:I dread to think what objects they would put in 3D

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Autobot032 wrote:

Night Raid wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Chops13 wrote:all i want is a good movie he needs to make transformers that are not in 2 places at the same time like the issue with devastator in tf2...... you know the basic stuff then maybe we can talk about 3D

What are you talking about? Where was Devastator in two places?

I believe he means one or two of the robots that made up Devastator. There seemed to be a lot of robots sharing the same alt mode in that movie. Alt modes go a long way toward determining how a robot looks. Robots sharing the same alt mode (i.e. a garbage truck or a crane) will often look very similar, leading people to get them mixed up.

A very fair point, but this is one of my problems withe film's detractors.

They complain about "I can't figure out what was going on! It was a mess!" No, it wasn't. They just didn't care to pay attention, or weren't capable of it. In both cases, neither of those are Bay's fault.

I'll agree that Bay does expect a lot of his audience, and tying up all the loose threads through out the movies is one of those moments.

However, anyone with a little patience, and a little common sense can see that Devastator is a hive mind of whatever Constructicon vehicles he so chooses to incorporate into his being.

And that the other Constructicons took their Earth forms as a way of disguise. Nothing more, nothing less. Well, one thing...their Earth forms allow them access to new weapons and technology. Plus it gives them the perfect camouflage for a sneak attack.

The troops that Megatron and The Fallen sent down to Earth were untested and had no prior experience with the humans, so they never realized that the humans would be able to see through their disguises. At that point, they stopped caring about hiding their true forms, which could explain why some of the Protoforms went unchanged.

As for the toys aspect of it, Devastator appeared in vehicle and combined robot mode only, not as individuals. So Hasbro did NOT lie to us when they made the Ultimate Class sized Devastator be just that. A combined robot formed of construction vehicles, minus individual robot modes. All you have to do is watch the movie to have this make sense.

And yes, I realize the individual Constructicons did have names, whereas Dev's components did not. (in the movie, that is.)

Now, on the flip side of that in the toy world, yes, Devastator's components have names, Legends Dev has robot modes, and individual Deluxe and Voyager Class figures were made of Long Haul, Rampage, and Demolishor. But that was out of necessity to a degree. Yes, it was a somewhat dirty money making tactic, leading people to believe these figures would combine together, I get that. But it also helped make sales with the nostalgia crowd. "I remember that guy!" plus they didn't want to hear us complain about "Why doesn't that toy have a name to it?!"

No matter which way it's handled, no one's going to win, and no one's going to let anyone win. So it's a stalemate for the next however many years to come and we're either going to have to learn to deal with it, or find some other outlet.

Bay's not perfect, but he's not stupid. If folks can't make the leap and figure out common sense things, that's their fault, not his.

Hasbro's not perfect, but they're not sleaze free either. They knew that if they made them seem like they all combined or did something, we collectors and the target audience of kids would buy it all up. And it worked. If we're dumb enough to buy into their product, we have only ourselves to blame.

If people paid more attention, there wouldn't be as many problems. At that point, you still wouldn't have to like the changes made and what's been done, but because you paid attention and thereby saved yourself from making a stupid decision, you've forfeited your right to bitch.

I really don't understand how people got all confused by the film, I really don't. As for Barricade's existence (is he alive? is he dead?) I will give you that one. That one should've probably been answered, but it's pretty much conceivable that the Autobots and N.E.S.T. finally caught up with him and eliminated him. And if they haven't, he could be more cannon fodder for TF3.

Night Raid wrote:If TF3 is indeed going to be released in 3D, I hope it is also released in non-3D. Watching movies in 3D never fails to make me either get sick to my stomach or give me a huge headache.