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Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:31 am
by kirbenvost
Doubledealer93 wrote:first pay check im preordering blitzwing and springer.


BBTS doesn't take payment until the product is in stock. :)

Preordered the triple changers myself. Availability in Canada is even worse than it is for you guys and with our higher retail prices and sales tax it works out to about the same once you figure in shipping and customs. I'd rather have the peace of mind of knowing I can actually get these.

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:44 am
by Mkall
Like the others I've preordered Springer and Blitzwing. I want Storm Razer too, but I refuse to buy him with 2 other figures whom I don't want. I think BBTS is seeing that, hence why they don't seem to be offering Prime Deluxe figures separately right now.

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:28 pm
by GuyIncognito
Mkall wrote:Like the others I've preordered Springer and Blitzwing. I want Storm Razer too, but I refuse to buy him with 2 other figures whom I don't want. I think BBTS is seeing that, hence why they don't seem to be offering Prime Deluxe figures separately right now.


I expect they'll start breaking up the cases and selling them individually, priced according to the level of demand.

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:42 pm
by SKYWARPED_128
RiddlerJ wrote:Slight trivia. On the old G1 cartoon Blitzwing was the only one to recognize the Quintissons and now all his incarnations are face swappers themselves.


Interesting trivia there!

Personally, I'd prefer if they didn't include that gimmick. IMO the overall head sculpt almost always suffers when you implement face-swapping--V1 MP Seekers had rather flat faces due to their ability to flip face-plates for different expressions.

While I don't mind it on the MP seekers since it adds display value and character, the faces on Blitzwing are too reminiscent of his TFA incarnation, which IMO, feel very out of place with his G1 design. While we've only seen his normal and "icy" faces, the icy one looks too TFA for my tastes. Also, his normal face has the visor too low, leaving a gap between it and the rim of his "helmet."

In any case, G1 Blitzwing never had this feature, so I personally think it's unnecessary.

That said, maybe the kids will love it. Gotta keep reminding myself it's a kid's toy line, not MP. :grin:

TL;DR, not a fan of his 3-face gimmick because the icy face reminds me too much of his TFA incarnation and creates problems with face proportions, and looks out of place on his neo-G1 toy.

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:45 pm
by Arctorro
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Personally, I'd prefer if they didn't include that gimmick. IMO the overall head sculpt almost always suffers when you implement face-swapping--V1 MP Seekers had rather flat faces due to their ability to flip face-plates for different expressions.

While I don't mind it on the MP seekers since it adds display value and character, the faces on Blitzwing are too reminiscent of his TFA incarnation, which IMO, feel very out of place with his G1 design. While we've only seen his normal and "icy" faces, the icy one looks too TFA for my tastes. Also, his normal face has the visor too low, leaving a gap between it and the rim of his "helmet."

In any case, G1 Blitzwing never had this feature, so I personally think it's unnecessary.

That said, maybe the kids will love it. Gotta keep reminding myself it's a kid's toy line, not MP. :grin:

TL;DR, not a fan of his 3-face gimmick because the icy face reminds me too much of his TFA incarnation and creates problems with face proportions, and looks out of place on his neo-G1 toy.

I'm not a kid and I love both this 3 face gimmick and Animated!

Btw, G1 has nothing to do with this toy, are you channeling X? :P :lol:

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:23 pm
by SKYWARPED_128
Arctorro wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Personally, I'd prefer if they didn't include that gimmick. IMO the overall head sculpt almost always suffers when you implement face-swapping--V1 MP Seekers had rather flat faces due to their ability to flip face-plates for different expressions.

While I don't mind it on the MP seekers since it adds display value and character, the faces on Blitzwing are too reminiscent of his TFA incarnation, which IMO, feel very out of place with his G1 design. While we've only seen his normal and "icy" faces, the icy one looks too TFA for my tastes. Also, his normal face has the visor too low, leaving a gap between it and the rim of his "helmet."

In any case, G1 Blitzwing never had this feature, so I personally think it's unnecessary.

That said, maybe the kids will love it. Gotta keep reminding myself it's a kid's toy line, not MP. :grin:

TL;DR, not a fan of his 3-face gimmick because the icy face reminds me too much of his TFA incarnation and creates problems with face proportions, and looks out of place on his neo-G1 toy.

I'm not a kid and I love both this 3 face gimmick and Animated!

Btw, G1 has nothing to do with this toy, are you channeling X? :P :lol:


Who's X? :???:

I never said you had to be a kid to enjoy these gimmicks, just that I personally prefer a single head sculpt and pointed out the reasons why.

And how does G1 not have anything to do with the toy? It's a triple-changer that transforms into a tank and jet, and was based on his G1 design for the original toy and in the cartoon in terms of color and alt modes.

Admittedly the same can be said for TFA's Blitzwing too, but in terms of aesthetics, this toy homages the more traditional G1 look than the more abstract TFA style.

I love Animated too, don't let the comments fool you. ;) I just don't like having certain TFA elements mixed in with neo-G1 designs, at least those where it might look out of place, like that canceled Brawn figure with a G1-esque head stuck on a TF Prime voyager Bulkhead, or Cliff's WFC head stuck onto TF Prime FE Cliffjumper.

In any case, the post is kind of obsolete, since I got a better look at the "icy" face RACast posted on another thread. Looks nothing like the TFA face and is very G1-esque, not to mention awesome.

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:21 pm
by RAcast
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Who's X? :???:

I never said you had to be a kid to enjoy these gimmicks, just that I personally prefer a single head sculpt and pointed out the reasons why.

And how does G1 not have anything to do with the toy? It's a triple-changer that transforms into a tank and jet, and was based on his G1 design for the original toy and in the cartoon in terms of color and alt modes.

Admittedly the same can be said for TFA's Blitzwing too, but in terms of aesthetics, this toy homages the more traditional G1 look than the more abstract TFA style.

I love Animated too, don't let the comments fool you. ;) I just don't like having certain TFA elements mixed in with neo-G1 designs, at least those where it might look out of place, like that canceled Brawn figure with a G1-esque head stuck on a TF Prime voyager Bulkhead, or Cliff's WFC head stuck onto TF Prime FE Cliffjumper.

In any case, the post is kind of obsolete, since I got a better look at the "icy" face RACast posted on another thread. Looks nothing like the TFA face and is very G1-esque, not to mention awesome.

X is quite possibly the most...unreasonable is the word I'll go with...GEEWUNER on this forum. If it's not EXPLICITLY G1, he has something bad to say about it.
And by something, I mean he usually comes up with some sort of rant. :roll:

And they're FoC characters (i.e. Aligned universe), so you could very reasonably state that GEEWUN does not necessarily dictate the voyager triple changers outside of the visual homage.

In any case, I'm glad you took a better look at the pictures. :)

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:30 pm
by Arctorro
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
Arctorro wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Personally, I'd prefer if they didn't include that gimmick. IMO the overall head sculpt almost always suffers when you implement face-swapping--V1 MP Seekers had rather flat faces due to their ability to flip face-plates for different expressions.

While I don't mind it on the MP seekers since it adds display value and character, the faces on Blitzwing are too reminiscent of his TFA incarnation, which IMO, feel very out of place with his G1 design. While we've only seen his normal and "icy" faces, the icy one looks too TFA for my tastes. Also, his normal face has the visor too low, leaving a gap between it and the rim of his "helmet."

In any case, G1 Blitzwing never had this feature, so I personally think it's unnecessary.

That said, maybe the kids will love it. Gotta keep reminding myself it's a kid's toy line, not MP. :grin:

TL;DR, not a fan of his 3-face gimmick because the icy face reminds me too much of his TFA incarnation and creates problems with face proportions, and looks out of place on his neo-G1 toy.

I'm not a kid and I love both this 3 face gimmick and Animated!

Btw, G1 has nothing to do with this toy, are you channeling X? :P :lol:


Who's X? :???:

I never said you had to be a kid to enjoy these gimmicks, just that I personally prefer a single head sculpt and pointed out the reasons why.

And how does G1 not have anything to do with the toy? It's a triple-changer that transforms into a tank and jet, and was based on his G1 design for the original toy and in the cartoon in terms of color and alt modes.

Admittedly the same can be said for TFA's Blitzwing too, but in terms of aesthetics, this toy homages the more traditional G1 look than the more abstract TFA style.

I love Animated too, don't let the comments fool you. ;) I just don't like having certain TFA elements mixed in with neo-G1 designs, at least those where it might look out of place, like that canceled Brawn figure with a G1-esque head stuck on a TF Prime voyager Bulkhead, or Cliff's WFC head stuck onto TF Prime FE Cliffjumper.

In any case, the post is kind of obsolete, since I got a better look at the "icy" face RACast posted on another thread. Looks nothing like the TFA face and is very G1-esque, not to mention awesome.

1) Rated X, the obsessive compulsive G1 fan :D

2) Lots of people like to compare new toys to G1 and are often disappointed. Problem is that Hasbro clearly isn't all that interested in G1 any more so their throw backs to old characters are never going to be very accurate. There will always be something that doesn't fit. In this case, the homeage to Animated Blitzwing.

3) Not nice fooling me like that :P

4) Noticed that post after responding to this one

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:21 pm
by SKYWARPED_128
Arctorro wrote:1) Rated X, the obsessive compulsive G1 fan :D


Oh, him. :lol:

Arctorro wrote:2) Lots of people like to compare new toys to G1 and are often disappointed. Problem is that Hasbro clearly isn't all that interested in G1 any more so their throw backs to old characters are never going to be very accurate. There will always be something that doesn't fit. In this case, the homeage to Animated Blitzwing.


You've got a point there. Honestly, the only problem I had with the gimmick was that from the earlier pics it looked too close to TFA Blitzwing, but it wasn't upon close inspection. That, and the visor issue on his normal face, which was IMO a silly screw up on the designer's part. I mean, can't he just move the darn visor a couple mm higher and not make it look like he has an unusually high forehead?

Not matter, since I really love the icy face. He'll probably be displayed in that face 90% of the time. 8)

RAcast wrote:In any case, I'm glad you took a better look at the pictures. :)


Me too. I was on the verge of skipping Blitzwing on account of the face.

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:57 am
by Arctorro
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
Arctorro wrote:2) Lots of people like to compare new toys to G1 and are often disappointed. Problem is that Hasbro clearly isn't all that interested in G1 any more so their throw backs to old characters are never going to be very accurate. There will always be something that doesn't fit. In this case, the homeage to Animated Blitzwing.


You've got a point there. Honestly, the only problem I had with the gimmick was that from the earlier pics it looked too close to TFA Blitzwing, but it wasn't upon close inspection. That, and the visor issue on his normal face, which was IMO a silly screw up on the designer's part. I mean, can't he just move the darn visor a couple mm higher and not make it look like he has an unusually high forehead?

Not matter, since I really love the icy face. He'll probably be displayed in that face 90% of the time. 8)

Just had another look at the normal face, can see what you mean. Still kinda like it though :D

I'll probably use the icy face most of the time as well!

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:11 am
by SKYWARPED_128
Arctorro wrote:Just had another look at the normal face, can see what you mean. Still kinda like it though :D

I'll probably use the icy face most of the time as well!


Now I'm starting to wonder what the third face, and there should be one, looks like.

RAcast wrote:onable is the word I'll go with...GEEWUNER on this forum. If it's not EXPLICITLY G1, he has something bad to say about it.
And by something, I mean he usually comes up with some sort of rant. :roll:


LOL! You should see some of the "debates" going on between Macross and Robotech fans in the other forums. There will be G1 "elitists" in any popular 80's franchise.

RAcast wrote:And they're FoC characters (i.e. Aligned universe), so you could very reasonably state that GEEWUN does not necessarily dictate the voyager triple changers outside of the visual homage.


FoC? I know they're part of the Generations line, but if they were FoC, shouldn't the toys be made from their Cybertronian designs?

As for Aligned...ah, the wonders of Google and TFwiki. :D I've seen this name mentioned in some articles, but never knew what it was until just now. I guess you're right, technically.

But then again, I wonder why they didn't just go with the FoC Cybertronian designs instead of vague neo-Earth modes?

I'm not complaining, though. The designs from the video games depended quite a bit on CGI magic, which when translated to toys, could easily lead to inaccuracies such as skewed proportions and even faux kibble (a pet peeve of mine.) Designing the triple changers from scratch without media references allows designers to make a better toy, and that's what's most important.

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:23 am
by RiddlerJ
I don't think these are meant to be their FoC incarnations. Maybe they are, does it specify FoC on their boxes like it did on Soundwave's.

I think these are just versions meant to stand in for the character as a whole without owing to any specific continuity which is why there's a mix of different features (G1, animated) Hasbro would be happy that you just buy the figure and slot 'em into whichever collection you want.

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:51 am
by RAcast
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
RAcast wrote:unreasonable is the word I'll go with...GEEWUNER on this forum. If it's not EXPLICITLY G1, he has something bad to say about it.
And by something, I mean he usually comes up with some sort of rant. :roll:


LOL! You should see some of the "debates" going on between Macross and Robotech fans in the other forums. There will be G1 "elitists" in any popular 80's franchise.

:lol: There will always be elitests in ANYTHING. You should meet some "First gen pokemon are the only good pokemon!" people sometime, they're hilarious. :BANG_HEAD:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
RAcast wrote:And they're FoC characters (i.e. Aligned universe), so you could very reasonably state that GEEWUN does not necessarily dictate the voyager triple changers outside of the visual homage.


FoC? I know they're part of the Generations line, but if they were FoC, shouldn't the toys be made from their Cybertronian designs?

As for Aligned...ah, the wonders of Google and TFwiki. :D I've seen this name mentioned in some articles, but never knew what it was until just now. I guess you're right, technically.

But then again, I wonder why they didn't just go with the FoC Cybertronian designs instead of vague neo-Earth modes?

I'm not complaining, though. The designs from the video games depended quite a bit on CGI magic, which when translated to toys, could easily lead to inaccuracies such as skewed proportions and even faux kibble (a pet peeve of mine.) Designing the triple changers from scratch without media references allows designers to make a better toy, and that's what's most important.

Agreed, the artwork we saw shortly before we saw the final product was nice, and cybertronian designs do sometimes leave a lot of leeway so they DON'T have to do faux parts, but I'm glad they went with the designs they went with, they look SO GOOD. :grin:

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:03 pm
by Springer2814
Preordered Springer x2, that was an easy decision. Still unsure about Blitzwing. Robot mode: its cool, the face gimmick is a nice touch, not really my thing but OK. Tank mode: is where this thing looks the best and really shines(IMO). Jet mode: is the worst, looks like it has potential, it has a somewhat streamline look but the big rectangular blocks on the top just rub me the wrong way.

Let me guess the response:
its a minor thing get the F##K over it, if u dont get this your a MFing Dumba$$.(just a shot in the dark)

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:33 pm
by Mkall
Springer2814 wrote:Let me guess the response:
its a minor thing get the F##K over it, if u dont get this your a MFing Dumba$$.(just a shot in the dark)

We're not *insert other TF site here*, we're far more polite.

I do acknowledge your complaint, but to my knowledge Blitzwing's jet mode has always been a bulkier jet design. I guess it's because he turns into a giant tank as his third mode.

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:43 pm
by GuyIncognito
Hey, at least the jet mode doesn't have a huge tank turret that either attaches awkwardly to the bottom of the jet or has to be taken off and set aside! The "big blocks" on top of the jet are OK with me, as they remind me of Jetfire.

Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:51 pm
by SKYWARPED_128
RAcast wrote::lol: There will always be elitests in ANYTHING. You should meet some "First gen pokemon are the only good pokemon!" people sometime, they're hilarious. :BANG_HEAD:


Good gosh, even Pokemon has its elitist snobs?! :shock: :lol:

RAcast wrote:Agreed, the artwork we saw shortly before we saw the final product was nice, and cybertronian designs do sometimes leave a lot of leeway so they DON'T have to do faux parts, but I'm glad they went with the designs they went with, they look SO GOOD. :grin:


Hasbro better keep these triple changers well stocked, coz you know we want em! =P~

GuyIncognito wrote:Hey, at least the jet mode doesn't have a huge tank turret that either attaches awkwardly to the bottom of the jet or has to be taken off and set aside! The "big blocks" on top of the jet are OK with me, as they remind me of Jetfire.


I agree, although the jet reminds me a lot more of a Mospeada Legioss.

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Re: BBTS Sponsor News: New Hasbro Transformers - Voyager, Deluxe, Legends

PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:34 am
by Sinnertwin
SKYWARPED_128 wrote: Good gosh, even Pokemon has its elitist snobs?! :shock: :lol:


Pokeballs at dawn. It's brutal.
I've never understood that intense, almost maniacal passion some people exhibit towards any given franchise.