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The character designs/alt modes...were CRAP.

The best versions of Megatron and Optimus Primal in Beast Wars...turn into...THAT? That doesn't even begin to mention the others.

Storylines were good.

Plus Blackarachnia in Beast Wars, even AFTER her shell program was severed, still was pretty much the same.

1: She lassoed Rampage and made him part of a mountain view.
2: She later slammed a girder right into Rampage's face.
3: She said, "If this is a surprise party, someone's going to be eating Cyber venom." and narrows her eyes. And I believe she would have done so as well.
4: She made Rattrap Jewish, and even Silverbolt groaned in sympathy pain for Rattface.


Not very heroic, eh?

And even her toy had 2 sparks Plus was also a better toy....no ghetto booty.

it's my second favorite tf series, after bw. it certainly had its share of bad points, such as the unexplained and/or stupid character changes to make them mesh with the story (the worst case being what they did with rattrap - there's no way in hell the rattrap we came to know in bw would forge an alliance with megatron just because his body had no weapons) and some of the design elements, but overall it was still a damn good story, especially season 2. i appreciated it when it was on, and looking at what followed it has only made me appreciate it more.

BM is certainly at the top of not just my favorite TF series, but overall television series. I was a fan from the beginning and not just because, say, Transformers: Armada was really really lackluster. BM may not have sold as many toys as TFA overall, but it's DVD set will be watched a lot more often in this household.

I liked the characters with the exception of Nightscream (I put him in league with Wheelie for most annoying TF of all time). Botanica doesn't even bother me as she sort of had a use when the Maximals couldn't even keep their limited collection of techno-organics alive. I can also understand why Black Arachnia changed. She had a selfish, somewhat paranoid logic to pretect herself from sometimes untrusting Maximals in BW. That of course vanishes when you're on a planet you've never been to before with it's sparkless security force trying to execute you. At that point, she'd welcome what would now be familiar allies.

I can kind of see why Megatron would go anti-organic after the ordeal of the Beast Wars. His entire crew (with the exception of Waspinator of all bots) was wiped out. So much for beleiving in the Predacon alliance. Megatron himself was strapped to the back of an Autobot shuttle to be hauled back to Cybertron by the Maximals like luggage to be imprisoned upon arrival. Of course all of this, fused with the situation of a time travel escape, would enable him to exact a measure of revenge against everyone.

In all, I had no beef with the animation or designs. I got a great story that I felt compelled to see the end of. I've always believed and still do if you want the worst thing ever to bear the Transformers name (which so many claimed to be Beast Machines), why not look in the direction of something that involves a bunch of school kids who morph into lizards or something. Something that doesn't involve warring factions of robots from a metallic homeworld, but something that had a pitiful show on Nickelodeon and was for the most part a book series by Scholastic. I, of course, am referring to the Animorphs. Even though the TF name was dropped from them, it was still, the worst thing to do in trying to tie them in with the REAL Transformers.

This show is the best of the bunch.

If the whole cast of characters hadn't had their personalities **** over it would have been a better show but I can honestly say there wasn't a single character I liked until Waspinator showed up. Primal was bi-polar switching from buddhist monk on a quest to agressive apath with each episode. Rattrap was a pussy nerd, Blackarachnia a lovesick schoolgirl and Cheetor was just a jerk [sorry for the americanisms but I can't think of real english words that apply as well].
The animation was a step down from the quality of BW too.

Actually, the animation in BM is leaps and bounds ahead of BW. Maybe you mean you didn't like the style as much?

BlueFlame wrote:Actually, the animation in BM is leaps and bounds ahead of BW. Maybe you mean you didn't like the style as much?

Nope, the animation was nowhere near BW quality.

BlueFlame wrote:Actually, the animation in BM is leaps and bounds ahead of BW. Maybe you mean you didn't like the style as much?

Not when you consider that the details in Wars were modeled into the characters and locations and they were only painted on in Machines. To me that's a step down in quality. There were other factors that put it a step or three behind Wars as well, but that was the big one.