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Sabrblade wrote:

also, thanks for that. its nice getting praise from the one who knows everything

How I wish you had spoken up when this news was posted - http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-legends-new-episode-beast-machines/31119/

These arguments for Rattrap and Silverbolt could have potentially silenced or swayed the naysayers.

shajaki wrote:its nice getting praise from the one who knows everything

Who might that be? It ain't me, for sure, and anyone who says otherwise ain't speakin' no truth.

There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it. There were also no upgrades in the show, the toy scales were more off than I have ever seen, and the final version of Megatron is actually an old body of Optimus.

Oh I have a question about that, do we ever know why it was that the maximals reverted to their original beast forms when the show begins?

Sabrblade wrote:How I wish you had spoken up when this news was posted - http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-legends-new-episode-beast-machines/31119/

These arguments for Rattrap and Silverbolt could have potentially silenced or swayed the naysayers.

shajaki wrote:its nice getting praise from the one who knows everything

Who might that be? It ain't me, for sure, and anyone who says otherwise ain't speakin' no truth.

ha! just giving credit where credits due

and had i known there was discussion of BM in that thread, id have been there! i literally thirst for discussion about BM, and could probably go on endlessly

I'm thrilled to see so many feel this way about this show. I gather it was one of the least liked toy lines, but it did give us the original Tankor, who is to this day one of my favs. For reasons I can hardly explain.

I thought the art direction was so unique and fresh.
The concepts of soul and reincarnation were amazing, and just the notion that all thing begin on an organic/biological level, so sciency.

Previous to BW and BM, was the concept of "a spark" mentioned? My memory of G1 cartoons is locked in the 10 year old file of my brain that is hard to access. I could use a defragging.

Cobotron wrote:I'm thrilled to see so many feel this way about this show. I gather it was one of the least liked toy lines, but it did give us the original Tankor, who is to this day one of my favs. For reasons I can hardly explain.

I thought the art direction was so unique and fresh.
The concepts of soul and reincarnation were amazing, and just the notion that all thing begin on an organic/biological level, so sciency.

Previous to BW and BM, was the concept of "a spark" mentioned? My memory of G1 cartoons is locked in the 10 year old file of my brain that is hard to access. I could use a defragging.

In Beast Wars, the Spark concept was solidified, down to the conditions of its survival. But during G1 the concept of a soul of life force was touched upon or mentioned: Laser Cores, Life Spark and Starscream's Ghost were the result, the latter retconed into a mutant spark (which was a master move imo)

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Cobotron wrote:I'm thrilled to see so many feel this way about this show. I gather it was one of the least liked toy lines, but it did give us the original Tankor, who is to this day one of my favs. For reasons I can hardly explain.

I thought the art direction was so unique and fresh.
The concepts of soul and reincarnation were amazing, and just the notion that all thing begin on an organic/biological level, so sciency.

Previous to BW and BM, was the concept of "a spark" mentioned? My memory of G1 cartoons is locked in the 10 year old file of my brain that is hard to access. I could use a defragging.

In Beast Wars, the Spark concept was solidified, down to the conditions of its survival. But during G1 the concept of a soul of life force was touched upon or mentioned: Laser Cores, Life Spark and Starscream's Ghost were the result, the latter retconed into a mutant spark (which was a master move imo)

Thanks.
I hope who ever gets their hands on the movies next will take some ques from BM.
This is all a story about sentient robots with feelings, and souls and stuff. Not about the feelings of the humans they befriend. BM is proof that there can be depth to these characters we all love so much.

william-james88 wrote:There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it.

Yeah, the goal of this series when it was being made was for it to be "a religious epic for television", rather than another means to sell toys. Though, there were some instances that seemed like Hasbro trying to promote more of the toys, such as the late-coming additions of Strika and Obsidian, along with one more thing I'll get into below.

william-james88 wrote:There were also no upgrades in the show,

Save for Megatron's body changes and the 3-part season 2 finale having the Maximals receive a "spark glowing" upgrade that was meant to emulate all the translucent plastic of the toys.

william-james88 wrote:Oh I have a question about that, do we ever know why it was that the maximals reverted to their original beast forms when the show begins?

They got blasted by the transformation virus after they landed, but instead of just locking them in altmode, those who had Transmetal bodies were also reverted to their pre-Transmetal bodies.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it.

Yeah, the goal of this series when it was being made was for it to be "a religious epic for television", rather than another means to sell toys. Though, there were some instances that seemed like Hasbro trying to promote more of the toys, such as the late-coming additions of Strika and Obsidian, along with one more thing I'll get into below..

Are you being sarcastic there? If not, where does that "a religious epic for television" quote come from?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it.

Yeah, the goal of this series when it was being made was for it to be "a religious epic for television", rather than another means to sell toys. Though, there were some instances that seemed like Hasbro trying to promote more of the toys, such as the late-coming additions of Strika and Obsidian, along with one more thing I'll get into below..

Are you being sarcastic there? If not, where does that "a religious epic for television" quote come from?

No sarcasm in there. The quote came from an interview with story editor Bob Skir (though, said interview seems to have been removed from YouTube ), but I seemed to have slightly misquoted the line. The actual quote was "a religious epic novel for television" according to TFWiki.

It's a pretty accurate description considering all the certain specific themes touched upon by the series.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it.

Yeah, the goal of this series when it was being made was for it to be "a religious epic for television", rather than another means to sell toys. Though, there were some instances that seemed like Hasbro trying to promote more of the toys, such as the late-coming additions of Strika and Obsidian, along with one more thing I'll get into below..

Are you being sarcastic there? If not, where does that "a religious epic for television" quote come from?

No sarcasm in there. The quote came from an interview with story editor Bob Skir (though, said interview seems to have been removed from YouTube ), but I seemed to have slightly misquoted the line. The actual quote was "a religious epic novel for television" according to TFWiki.

It's a pretty accurate description considering all the certain specific themes touched upon by the series.

By religious,I kinda doubt he meant Christian. Maybe spiritual would have been a better word.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but reincarnation is not a Christian motif.

Cobotron wrote:By religious,I kinda doubt he meant Christian. Maybe spiritual would have been a better word.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but reincarnation is not a Christian motif.

I did not necessarily mean Christian, no (nor do I think Skir did either), but it cannot be denied that there are indeed religious themes in Beast Machines, as well as in other TF media. Christian or otherwise.

Agreed.
Religious and mythological.
Great story themes in all those old stories.

william-james88 wrote:There is one thing I would like to add regarding Beast Machines. Of every transformers show out there, this one seems the least geared towards selling toys. For one, the toys looked nothing like the show. Also, the show's transformations were more like morphing and thus toys wouldn't be able to replicate it. There were also no upgrades in the show, the toy scales were more off than I have ever seen, and the final version of Megatron is actually an old body of Optimus.

i doubt they werent worried about selling toys. but i can see why the animators had a hard time putting together cohesive looking characters. there were three cheetors, three primals, two tankors, two jetstorms, ect. while the only one to actually have a body change was megatron. who knows what preliminary stuff hasbro put in front of them in the beginning stages of the show. what we got was probably a mix of all the figures and artistic liberties.

as far as megatrons final body goes, i thought it was brilliant.

to quote Sun Tzu (The Art of War),
"To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy."

I do not understand the hate.WHY????
After all beast machines had some good characters such as Jetstorm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT-LJ6W6qcQ

Nah Beast Machines had a unique vibe that made it a great show. The dark mood needs to show up more in TF shows like it did in TFprime. My dream would be if Hasbro ever produced a mature themed epic that followed cannon from Nova Primes era up through G1 into the events of the IDW mtmte/rid.

Something occurred to me the other day, in the history of loyal minions consisting of Lugnut, Soundwave, Inferno, etc., one name doesn't get mentioned often enough that really should:

Waspinator. The unluckiest, nigh immortal, and fan favorite bot stuck with Megatron until the very end. Sure he did denounce Megatron once at the tail end of Beast Wars (hey, he could have been having an even worse day than normal). Yeah, he was kinda instrumental in helping Black Arachnia get her spark back and saved her once or twice during that three part arc(his memories were mixing with his reformatted personality, and she was a comrade who, as far as I know, never really had a hatred or falling out with each other). But other than that, completely loyal, always came back and never knowingly attacked Megatron out of spite.

Waspinaotr just became more awesome after I realized that . But they never really did say why he was with the Preds to begin with.

Ginrai Minor wrote:Nah Beast Machines had a unique vibe that made it a great show. The dark mood needs to show up more in TF shows like it did in TFprime. My dream would be if Hasbro ever produced a mature themed epic that followed cannon from Nova Primes era up through G1 into the events of the IDW mtmte/rid.

Agreed

Lockdownhunter wrote:

Ginrai Minor wrote:Nah Beast Machines had a unique vibe that made it a great show. The dark mood needs to show up more in TF shows like it did in TFprime. My dream would be if Hasbro ever produced a mature themed epic that followed cannon from Nova Primes era up through G1 into the events of the IDW mtmte/rid.

Agreed

Oh man, I would LOVE that!

I'm thinking that Beast Machines is way superior in making over UT and Bayformers, in concept over RiD and in both terms over Animated, so it is one of the greatest series of all time.

Sadly, from uknown reason, Transformers fans are extremly conservative. If characters are different from their original concept, it sucks. It was revealed many times during Beast Machines and UT times. It is almost like they want to have another Transformers: Animated all the time, or even G1's reboot after previous G1's reboot.

I would never say no to more Animated

Everyony have a right to his own opinion, right? Like i said, I'm thinking that...

ZeroWolf wrote:also the UT wasn't the worst and neither is the movies, at least not in my book

But I think that you agree that both UT and Bayformers was screwed. Both cases: In quite interesting universe is a story that with promising start, that later became childish and trivial. After all, both UT and Bayformers comic books were good.