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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:30 pm
by cotss2012
Dude, we totally had better CGI than that back in 2000. War Planets looked way better, and it was made by the same people!

As for the stories, pretty much anything looks brilliant next to the Bayverse...

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:32 pm
by Sabrblade
cotss2012 wrote:Dude, we totally had better CGI than that back in 2000. War Planets looked way better, and it was made by the same people!
It looked the same to me.

Besides, what does the art style have to do with good storytelling and character progression?

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:38 pm
by cotss2012
Also, let's not forget that Beast Wars, while not the most stunningly realistic CGI ever, also managed to avoid looking like Quake III. For example, light reflected off of some surfaces (typically the Transmetal characters), which was something you never saw in BM.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:47 pm
by Sabrblade
cotss2012 wrote:Also, let's not forget that Beast Wars, while not the most stunningly realistic CGI ever, also managed to avoid looking like Quake III. For example, light reflected off of some surfaces (typically the Transmetal characters), which was something you never saw in BM.
Again, Beast Wars wasn't good because of its animation, but because of its compelling plot and well written characters. Just because something *looks* good or bad doesn't mean it *is* good or bad.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:56 pm
by cotss2012
Beast Wars was only good for the last two seasons.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:56 am
by BeastProwl
Stop whining and go watch beast machines if havn't already! It's compelling, serious, mature, and downright dark. I put it and TF Prime in the same boat.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:30 pm
by Sabrblade
BeastProwl wrote:Stop whining and go watch beast machines if havn't already! It's compelling, serious, mature, and downright dark. I put it and TF Prime in the same boat.
Who's whining? I liked Beast Machines. It's my fourth favorite series (tied with RiD). But I don't know if I'd put Prime up there with it. At the moment, I'm not sure if I like Prime more, less, or the same as Beast Machines.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:28 pm
by cotss2012
Sabrblade wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:tied with RiD

:BLACKEYE:

Dude, comparing BM and RID is like comparing "Fire in the Sky" with "Kremzeek". It's just... NO!

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:49 pm
by BeastProwl
Sabrblade wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:Stop whining and go watch beast machines if havn't already! It's compelling, serious, mature, and downright dark. I put it and TF Prime in the same boat.
Who's whining? I liked Beast Machines. It's my fourth favorite series (tied with RiD). But I don't know if I'd put Prime up there with it. At the moment, I'm not sure if I like Prime more, less, or the same as Beast Machines.

Not you, others! RiD is my Personal Fav of all time, with BM and Prime in a VERY CLOSE Second place...

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:53 pm
by Sabrblade
cotss2012 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:tied with RiD

:BLACKEYE:

Dude, comparing BM and RID is like comparing "Fire in the Sky" with "Kremzeek". It's just... NO!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, ho ho ho, my good man. Now now. No need to blow a gasket. ;)

I've a good reason for what I said. The two form a perfected contrast between each other. I like putting these two together because of how far away on the spectrum these two are from each other. One's uber dark and mature, the other's very light and youthful. The two are like complementary opposites. :D

BeastProwl wrote:Not you, others!
ok

BeastProwl wrote:RiD is my Personal Fav of all time, with BM and Prime in a VERY CLOSE Second place...
Here's how it works for me:
1. Beast Wars
2. Animated
3. Chōjin Masterforce
4. Beast Machines and Robots in Disguise
5. Cybertron
6. The Headmasters
7. Generation 1, Armada, and Victory
8. Go-Bots (Playskool)
9. Energon
10. Cyber Missions
11. Universe (2008 flash cartoons)

I left Prime out since I still can't decide where to place it. I know it'd be somewhere above G1, at least, but not precisely where.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:18 pm
by cotss2012
Sabrblade wrote:I like putting these two together because of how far away on the spectrum these two are from each other.


Yeah... one's great and the other is worthless garbage.

Sabrblade wrote:Here's how it works for me:
1. Beast Wars
2. Animated
3. Chōjin Masterforce
4. Beast Machines and Robots in Disguise
5. Cybertron
6. The Headmasters
7. Generation 1, Armada, and Victory
8. Go-Bots (Playskool)
9. Energon
10. Cyber Missions
11. Universe (2008 flash cartoons)


I'm sorry, but the correct order is as follows:

1. Prime
2. Beast Machines
3. G1 (including the movie and the Japanese seasons 4-6)
4. Animated
5. Beast Wars (remember that this includes Season 1; otherwise, it would be much higher)
6. Armadaverse and Bayformers (both are heavily flawed, but in different was)
7. Catching AIDS from getting butt-raped in prison
8. RID

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:28 pm
by Name_Violation
I'm sorry, but the correct order is as follows:

1. G1 (including the movie and the Japanese seasons 4-6)
2. animated
3. Prime
4. Beast Wars
5. RiD
6. Bayformers (both are heavily flawed, but in different was)
7. Beast Machines
8. A/E/C [/quote]

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:32 pm
by cotss2012
No, my ranking has been proven correct by means of Calculatus Eliminatus. :-B

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:14 pm
by Sabrblade
cotss2012 wrote:I'm sorry, but the correct order is as follows:
No such thing exists.

cotss2012 wrote:3. G1 (including the movie and the Japanese seasons 4-6)
Those aren't seasons, those are separate series.

cotss2012 wrote:6. Armadaverse
That's three different series, you can't count them as one. You can count them as a three-way tie, but not one single series.

cotss2012 wrote:and Bayformers (both are heavily flawed, but in different was)
That's not a cartoon. ;)

cotss2012 wrote:7. Catching AIDS from getting butt-raped in prison
:shock: :shock: :shock: Ooooh! I never saw that Transformers cartoon! When did it air? Can I watch it?! Please! Pretty please! Huh huh? PLEASE! :grin: :-B :lol: :KREMZEEK:

cotss2012 wrote:8. RID
Did you grow up on this show? No? Well, that explains it. I grew up on Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and RiD, thus they hold great sentimental value for me, which is why I hold them all to such a high regard. I KNOW well that RiD was not a great series, but it's nowhere near as bad as people claim it to be (that title belongs to Energon). Besides, my list was not a canonical list of best series to worst series, but a list of MY PERSONAL FAVORITES to least favorites. There were no facts put into that list, hence why I left Prime off.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:26 pm
by cotss2012
Sabrblade wrote:I grew up on Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and RiD, thus they hold great sentimental value for me


I... I had no idea... I'm so sorry for you.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:00 pm
by Sabrblade
cotss2012 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:I grew up on Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and RiD, thus they hold great sentimental value for me


I... I had no idea... I'm so sorry for you.
Why, what'd you grow up on? I'm glad to have been introduced to the series by the one that holds the highest regard among the majority of the fandom (BW). :mrgreen:

Oh and, FWIW, your opinion is not Word of God.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:37 pm
by cotss2012
Sabrblade wrote:what'd you grow up on?


In effect, two VHS tapes, each with material that was copied from tapes that my mom rented from Blockbuster. One tape had most of Season 1, though the episodes were in the wrong order (since we had no idea what the correct order was and not every video store had every episode). The other tape had a censored version of the movie and "The Return of Optimus Prime".

Sabrblade wrote:Oh and, FWIW, your opinion is not Word of God.


Says who? God?

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:47 pm
by Sabrblade
cotss2012 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:what'd you grow up on?


In effect, two VHS tapes, each with material that was copied from tapes that my mom rented from Blockbuster. One tape had most of Season 1, though the episodes were in the wrong order (since we had no idea what the correct order was and not every video store had every episode). The other tape had a censored version of the movie and "The Return of Optimus Prime".
No offense, but that's kinda sad. |:|

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:15 am
by craggy
Sabrblade wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:I'm sorry, but the correct order is as follows:
No such thing exists.

cotss2012 wrote:7. Catching AIDS from getting butt-raped in prison
:shock: :shock: :shock: Ooooh! I never saw that Transformers cartoon! When did it air? Can I watch it?! Please! Pretty please! Huh huh? PLEASE! :grin: :-B :lol: :KREMZEEK:

Did you grow up?

:KREMZEEK:

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:21 pm
by cotss2012
Sabrblade wrote:No offense, but that's kinda sad. |:|


Hardly. I got to see the good parts of G1 - "Fire in the Sky", "SOS Dinobots", "War of the Dinobots", "The Ultimate Doom", "Heavy Metal War", the movie, etc. - without suffering through stuff like "The Girl who Loved Powerglide" and "The Rebirth".

It's certainly a million times better than growing up on RID or the first season of BW.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:02 pm
by Sabrblade
cotss2012 wrote:It's certainly a million times better than growing up on RID or the first season of BW.
...Not really.

Though, I grew up on the RiD toys more than the cartoon, since I was unable to see most of it until 2007. But I did see all of the two Beast Era cartoons, which were a blast from start to finish.

Once I did finally get to see all of RiD, however, it started off kinda slow, got more and more epic as it continued, with better characters like Scourge, Ultra Magnus, and Fortess Maximus coming into play, making the stakes higher and the scales grander.

BTW, Beast Wars season 1 was the first (and, until more than a decade later, the only) TF series to win an Emmy. Whne Prime won its two Emmys, they were just two of the exact same award Beast Wars won (only reason it won two was because of there being two people instead of one this time).

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:51 pm
by cotss2012
BW season 1 was crap... BW didn't get any good writers until S2, and then it really got awesome. Still not as good as TFTM, though ;)

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:50 am
by Sabrblade
cotss2012 wrote:BW season 1 was crap... BW didn't get any good writers until S2, and then it really got awesome.
Um, many of the same people who wrote for the first season wrote for the second and third.

And, like I said, season 1 won the Emmy, not season 2 or 3.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:42 pm
by RhA
Sabrblade wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:BW season 1 was crap... BW didn't get any good writers until S2, and then it really got awesome.
Um, many of the same people who wrote for the first season wrote for the second and third.

And, like I said, season 1 won the Emmy, not season 2 or 3.


Yeah, but season 2 had 'the agenda'.

FWIW, I consider BW and BM a whole.

Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:00 pm
by Sabrblade
RhA wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:BW season 1 was crap... BW didn't get any good writers until S2, and then it really got awesome.
Um, many of the same people who wrote for the first season wrote for the second and third.

And, like I said, season 1 won the Emmy, not season 2 or 3.


Yeah, but season 2 had 'the agenda'.

FWIW, I consider BW and BM a whole.
I'm not saying season 2/3 weren't great. i'm saying that season 1 wasn't awful.