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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Chaoslock » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:54 pm

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wigglez323 wrote:I do however feel that the last 2 episodes that ended the show were quit religious. Them saying "great primus" was a bit religious, but that didn't bother me as much as Megatron reading out of the Autobot bible.
Well, what'd you expect? The Transformers have their own cosmology. Primus, Unicron, the Matrix, the Thirteen, the Covenant of Primus, the Allspark, the AllSpark, the Well of All Sparks, Sacred Implements, the Oracle, Vector Sigma, "'Til all are one," the "Darkest Hour", etc. etc. all scream "Cybertronian religion".



That's the best damn part of the entire TF universe IMO.


Beast Wars religiousness was OK, but what followed in BM was ridiculous (the whole "I am transformed", magical powers in the end of the show, etc... stuff).
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Wigglez » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:59 pm

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To go along with how I said BW was too short in my opinion, There aren't enough BW comics out there either. Like there so any G1 and G2 comics out there, but very few of BW. I guess not alot would be happining in a little time amout that the BW lasted but still. There can't be a story where they landed on an alien planet or a different point of time on Earth? BW is my favorite part of the Cybertron story, and it seems like it was just brushed aside.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:08 pm

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wigglez323 wrote:To go along with how I said BW was too short in my opinion, There aren't enough BW comics out there either. Like there so any G1 and G2 comics out there, but very few of BW. I guess not alot would be happining in a little time amout that the BW lasted but still. There can't be a story where they landed on an alien planet or a different point of time on Earth?
Let's see, there has been:
  • "Optimus Primal vs. Megatron!"
  • Critical Mass
  • Reaching the Omega Point
  • Primeval Dawn
  • The Beast Wars: Transformers video game advertising comic
  • "Ain't No Rat"
  • The Gathering
  • The Ascending
  • Beast Wars Sourcebook
  • "Dawn of Future's Past"
  • "The Razor's Edge"
And on the other side of the Pacific:
  • Beast Wars II (manga)
  • "The Cybertron Brainwashing Operation"
  • Beast Wars Neo (manga)
  • Beast Wars Metals (manga)
  • Beast Wars Reborn
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wigglez323 wrote:BW is my favorite part of the Cybertron story, and it seems like it was just brushed aside.
The "Cybertron story"? :???:
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Wigglez » Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:35 pm

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Where'd you get all that from? I've only seen the gathering, the ascendinng, timelines and the source book
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Wigglez » Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:36 pm

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Where'd you get all that from? I have the gathering, the ascending 2 of 4, timelines and seen the source book. And trust me. I've been looking
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby TulioDude » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:43 pm

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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:49 pm

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wigglez323 wrote:Where'd you get all that from? I have the gathering, the ascending 2 of 4, timelines and seen the source book. And trust me. I've been looking
Like TulioDude said, I looked them all up on TFWiki.

"Optimus Primal vs. Megatron!" was the pack-in comic that came with the bat Optimus Primal and gator Megatron two-pack

Critical Mass was the cover name given to the "Ground Zero" comic story released at BotCon 1997

Reaching the Omega Point was the 3-year-long convention epic released at BotCon from 1998 to 2000.

Primeval Dawn was the accompanying comic series that ran as a second story to the Transformers: The Wreckers comic series released at BotCon and OTFCC from 2001 to 2004. The reason I omitted mention of The Wreckers comic is becuase that one was more like a Beast Machines/Universe comic than a Beast Wars comic.

The Beast Wars: Transformers video game advertising comic was given away in Europe to promote the Beast Wars PC game.

"Ain't No Rat" was a one-off Dreamwave summer special comic from 2004.

The Gathering, the Ascending, and the Sourcebook you seem to know about. ;)

"Dawn of Future's Past" you also seem to know of.

"The Razor's Edge" was an online text story about pre-BW Airazor released in 2007 on the TFCC website for club members


The manga for Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, and Beast Wars Metals were all released in Japan in the the Japanese magazine Comic Bom Bom from 1998 to 2000.

"The Cybertron Brainwashing Operation" (note that, in this case, "Cybertron" = "Maximal") was a short comic story printed as a bonus in the pages of Beast Wars II Strongest Playing Book in 1998.

Beast Wars Reborn was a four-part text story released in the Japanese magazine Figure Ō in 2006
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Mechanurgist » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:34 pm

I had no idea there was so much fan material out there.

Beast Wars had arguably the most integrated, complex, continuous and mature storyline of all the TF series. It was great in that regard, even if the actual TF designs were a bit wacky (and got wackier with the transmetal thing).
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:08 pm

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Mechanurgist wrote:Beast Wars had arguably the most integrated, complex, continuous and mature storyline of all the TF series.
Beast Machines was more mature (and arguably more complex).
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Wigglez » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:38 am

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Rampage was awesome. He had like a Hannibal Lecter type personality.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:40 am

Beast Wars season 1: Not just horrible, but literally painful to watch. Seeing a monkey smear its own feces all over my TV screen would have been higher-quality entertainment than this.

Beast Wars seasons 2 + 3: Much, much better. "Transmutate" and "Code of Hero" are easily among the best episodes in the entire 27-year history of the franchise.

Beast Machines: Positively orgasmic! Dark, spiritual, great story, great characters... best TF series of all time up until TF Prime came along.
I do not blame Michael Bay for crapping all over a huge part of my childhood. He just directed the scripts that were given to him. I blame Orci, Kurtzman, and Krueger, who seem completely incapable of concocting a story that even halfway makes sense.

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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:16 am

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cotss2012 wrote:Beast Wars season 1: Not just horrible, but literally painful to watch. Seeing a monkey smear its own feces all over my TV screen would have been higher-quality entertainment than this.
What show were you watching? Some Robot Chicken spoof or something? Cuz Beast Wars was devoid of feces.

cotss2012 wrote:Beast Machines: Positively orgasmic! Dark, spiritual, great story, great characters... best TF series of all time up until TF Prime came along.
Still better than Prime, man. ;)
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:23 am

Sabrblade wrote:Beast Wars was devoid of feces.


Only if you restrict "feces" to the literal meaning :lol:

cotss2012 wrote:Still better than Prime, man. ;)


I'll admit that it's a tough call, but between Blackarachnia's grating voice, Rattrap's incessant whining, Megatron's camp gayness, and the 10,000 times when I have to listen to someone say "I am transformed", I realized upon a second viewing that BM wasn't quite as awesome as I liked to think it was. Prime also gave us an Arcee who is actually important, a Megatron who is once again voiced by Frank Welker, and a Ratchet voiced by the same guy who played Shran on Enterprise... plus, everything on Beast Machines looks like a screenshot from Quake III Arena, whereas Prime looks like proper television-worthy CGI, with shadows and particle effects and stuff.

Also, I think Sumalee Montano's voice is sexy.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:57 am

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cotss2012 wrote:Megatron's camp gayness,
Stop watching Japanese Beast Wars. Watch the English version. :P

cotss2012 wrote:and the 10,000 times when I have to listen to someone say "I am transformed",
They stopped this in season 2.

cotss2012 wrote:a Megatron who is once again voiced by Frank Welker,
So?

cotss2012 wrote:plus, everything on Beast Machines looks like a screenshot from Quake III Arena, whereas Prime looks like proper television-worthy CGI, with shadows and particle effects and stuff.
Right, because they totally had the 2011 level CGI technology back in 2000-2001, but chose not to use it.

Ten years ago, that was as best as it was gonna get. Besides, surely in another ten or fifteen years, some will be looking back in Prime and calling its look dated too.

Though, you've carefully avoided any mentioning of the storylines between the two. Prime's plot only really got good as of episode 12 and onward, while its first 11 episodes varied from "below average" to "good but nothing too special". Whereas Beast Machines maintained its quality level of high-minded sophisticated storytelling consistently throughout its entire run.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:30 pm

Dude, we totally had better CGI than that back in 2000. War Planets looked way better, and it was made by the same people!

As for the stories, pretty much anything looks brilliant next to the Bayverse...
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:32 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:Dude, we totally had better CGI than that back in 2000. War Planets looked way better, and it was made by the same people!
It looked the same to me.

Besides, what does the art style have to do with good storytelling and character progression?
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:38 pm

Also, let's not forget that Beast Wars, while not the most stunningly realistic CGI ever, also managed to avoid looking like Quake III. For example, light reflected off of some surfaces (typically the Transmetal characters), which was something you never saw in BM.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:47 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:Also, let's not forget that Beast Wars, while not the most stunningly realistic CGI ever, also managed to avoid looking like Quake III. For example, light reflected off of some surfaces (typically the Transmetal characters), which was something you never saw in BM.
Again, Beast Wars wasn't good because of its animation, but because of its compelling plot and well written characters. Just because something *looks* good or bad doesn't mean it *is* good or bad.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:56 pm

Beast Wars was only good for the last two seasons.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby BeastProwl » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:56 am

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Stop whining and go watch beast machines if havn't already! It's compelling, serious, mature, and downright dark. I put it and TF Prime in the same boat.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:30 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Stop whining and go watch beast machines if havn't already! It's compelling, serious, mature, and downright dark. I put it and TF Prime in the same boat.
Who's whining? I liked Beast Machines. It's my fourth favorite series (tied with RiD). But I don't know if I'd put Prime up there with it. At the moment, I'm not sure if I like Prime more, less, or the same as Beast Machines.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:28 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:tied with RiD

:BLACKEYE:

Dude, comparing BM and RID is like comparing "Fire in the Sky" with "Kremzeek". It's just... NO!
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

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BeastProwl wrote:Stop whining and go watch beast machines if havn't already! It's compelling, serious, mature, and downright dark. I put it and TF Prime in the same boat.
Who's whining? I liked Beast Machines. It's my fourth favorite series (tied with RiD). But I don't know if I'd put Prime up there with it. At the moment, I'm not sure if I like Prime more, less, or the same as Beast Machines.

Not you, others! RiD is my Personal Fav of all time, with BM and Prime in a VERY CLOSE Second place...
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:53 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:tied with RiD

:BLACKEYE:

Dude, comparing BM and RID is like comparing "Fire in the Sky" with "Kremzeek". It's just... NO!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, ho ho ho, my good man. Now now. No need to blow a gasket. ;)

I've a good reason for what I said. The two form a perfected contrast between each other. I like putting these two together because of how far away on the spectrum these two are from each other. One's uber dark and mature, the other's very light and youthful. The two are like complementary opposites. :D

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1. Beast Wars
2. Animated
3. Chōjin Masterforce
4. Beast Machines and Robots in Disguise
5. Cybertron
6. The Headmasters
7. Generation 1, Armada, and Victory
8. Go-Bots (Playskool)
9. Energon
10. Cyber Missions
11. Universe (2008 flash cartoons)

I left Prime out since I still can't decide where to place it. I know it'd be somewhere above G1, at least, but not precisely where.
If you've read Exodus, wanna read the War For Cybertron comic? PM me.
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Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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