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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Wigglez » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:38 am

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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:40 am

Beast Wars season 1: Not just horrible, but literally painful to watch. Seeing a monkey smear its own feces all over my TV screen would have been higher-quality entertainment than this.

Beast Wars seasons 2 + 3: Much, much better. "Transmutate" and "Code of Hero" are easily among the best episodes in the entire 27-year history of the franchise.

Beast Machines: Positively orgasmic! Dark, spiritual, great story, great characters... best TF series of all time up until TF Prime came along.
I do not blame Michael Bay for crapping all over a huge part of my childhood. He just directed the scripts that were given to him. I blame Orci, Kurtzman, and Krueger, who seem completely incapable of concocting a story that even halfway makes sense.

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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:16 am

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cotss2012 wrote:Beast Wars season 1: Not just horrible, but literally painful to watch. Seeing a monkey smear its own feces all over my TV screen would have been higher-quality entertainment than this.
What show were you watching? Some Robot Chicken spoof or something? Cuz Beast Wars was devoid of feces.

cotss2012 wrote:Beast Machines: Positively orgasmic! Dark, spiritual, great story, great characters... best TF series of all time up until TF Prime came along.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:23 am

Sabrblade wrote:Beast Wars was devoid of feces.


Only if you restrict "feces" to the literal meaning :lol:

cotss2012 wrote:Still better than Prime, man. ;)


I'll admit that it's a tough call, but between Blackarachnia's grating voice, Rattrap's incessant whining, Megatron's camp gayness, and the 10,000 times when I have to listen to someone say "I am transformed", I realized upon a second viewing that BM wasn't quite as awesome as I liked to think it was. Prime also gave us an Arcee who is actually important, a Megatron who is once again voiced by Frank Welker, and a Ratchet voiced by the same guy who played Shran on Enterprise... plus, everything on Beast Machines looks like a screenshot from Quake III Arena, whereas Prime looks like proper television-worthy CGI, with shadows and particle effects and stuff.

Also, I think Sumalee Montano's voice is sexy.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:57 am

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cotss2012 wrote:Megatron's camp gayness,
Stop watching Japanese Beast Wars. Watch the English version. :P

cotss2012 wrote:and the 10,000 times when I have to listen to someone say "I am transformed",
They stopped this in season 2.

cotss2012 wrote:a Megatron who is once again voiced by Frank Welker,
So?

cotss2012 wrote:plus, everything on Beast Machines looks like a screenshot from Quake III Arena, whereas Prime looks like proper television-worthy CGI, with shadows and particle effects and stuff.
Right, because they totally had the 2011 level CGI technology back in 2000-2001, but chose not to use it.

Ten years ago, that was as best as it was gonna get. Besides, surely in another ten or fifteen years, some will be looking back in Prime and calling its look dated too.

Though, you've carefully avoided any mentioning of the storylines between the two. Prime's plot only really got good as of episode 12 and onward, while its first 11 episodes varied from "below average" to "good but nothing too special". Whereas Beast Machines maintained its quality level of high-minded sophisticated storytelling consistently throughout its entire run.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:30 pm

Dude, we totally had better CGI than that back in 2000. War Planets looked way better, and it was made by the same people!

As for the stories, pretty much anything looks brilliant next to the Bayverse...
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:32 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:Dude, we totally had better CGI than that back in 2000. War Planets looked way better, and it was made by the same people!
It looked the same to me.

Besides, what does the art style have to do with good storytelling and character progression?
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:38 pm

Also, let's not forget that Beast Wars, while not the most stunningly realistic CGI ever, also managed to avoid looking like Quake III. For example, light reflected off of some surfaces (typically the Transmetal characters), which was something you never saw in BM.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:47 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:Also, let's not forget that Beast Wars, while not the most stunningly realistic CGI ever, also managed to avoid looking like Quake III. For example, light reflected off of some surfaces (typically the Transmetal characters), which was something you never saw in BM.
Again, Beast Wars wasn't good because of its animation, but because of its compelling plot and well written characters. Just because something *looks* good or bad doesn't mean it *is* good or bad.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:56 pm

Beast Wars was only good for the last two seasons.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby BeastProwl » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:56 am

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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:30 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Stop whining and go watch beast machines if havn't already! It's compelling, serious, mature, and downright dark. I put it and TF Prime in the same boat.
Who's whining? I liked Beast Machines. It's my fourth favorite series (tied with RiD). But I don't know if I'd put Prime up there with it. At the moment, I'm not sure if I like Prime more, less, or the same as Beast Machines.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:28 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:tied with RiD

:BLACKEYE:

Dude, comparing BM and RID is like comparing "Fire in the Sky" with "Kremzeek". It's just... NO!
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby BeastProwl » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:49 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Stop whining and go watch beast machines if havn't already! It's compelling, serious, mature, and downright dark. I put it and TF Prime in the same boat.
Who's whining? I liked Beast Machines. It's my fourth favorite series (tied with RiD). But I don't know if I'd put Prime up there with it. At the moment, I'm not sure if I like Prime more, less, or the same as Beast Machines.

Not you, others! RiD is my Personal Fav of all time, with BM and Prime in a VERY CLOSE Second place...
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:53 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:tied with RiD

:BLACKEYE:

Dude, comparing BM and RID is like comparing "Fire in the Sky" with "Kremzeek". It's just... NO!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, ho ho ho, my good man. Now now. No need to blow a gasket. ;)

I've a good reason for what I said. The two form a perfected contrast between each other. I like putting these two together because of how far away on the spectrum these two are from each other. One's uber dark and mature, the other's very light and youthful. The two are like complementary opposites. :D

BeastProwl wrote:Not you, others!
ok

BeastProwl wrote:RiD is my Personal Fav of all time, with BM and Prime in a VERY CLOSE Second place...
Here's how it works for me:
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:18 pm

Sabrblade wrote:I like putting these two together because of how far away on the spectrum these two are from each other.


Yeah... one's great and the other is worthless garbage.

Sabrblade wrote:Here's how it works for me:
1. Beast Wars
2. Animated
3. Chōjin Masterforce
4. Beast Machines and Robots in Disguise
5. Cybertron
6. The Headmasters
7. Generation 1, Armada, and Victory
8. Go-Bots (Playskool)
9. Energon
10. Cyber Missions
11. Universe (2008 flash cartoons)


I'm sorry, but the correct order is as follows:

1. Prime
2. Beast Machines
3. G1 (including the movie and the Japanese seasons 4-6)
4. Animated
5. Beast Wars (remember that this includes Season 1; otherwise, it would be much higher)
6. Armadaverse and Bayformers (both are heavily flawed, but in different was)
7. Catching AIDS from getting butt-raped in prison
8. RID
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Name_Violation » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:28 pm

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I'm sorry, but the correct order is as follows:

1. G1 (including the movie and the Japanese seasons 4-6)
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6. Bayformers (both are heavily flawed, but in different was)
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:32 pm

No, my ranking has been proven correct by means of Calculatus Eliminatus. :-B
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:14 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:I'm sorry, but the correct order is as follows:
No such thing exists.

cotss2012 wrote:3. G1 (including the movie and the Japanese seasons 4-6)
Those aren't seasons, those are separate series.

cotss2012 wrote:6. Armadaverse
That's three different series, you can't count them as one. You can count them as a three-way tie, but not one single series.

cotss2012 wrote:and Bayformers (both are heavily flawed, but in different was)
That's not a cartoon. ;)

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cotss2012 wrote:8. RID
Did you grow up on this show? No? Well, that explains it. I grew up on Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and RiD, thus they hold great sentimental value for me, which is why I hold them all to such a high regard. I KNOW well that RiD was not a great series, but it's nowhere near as bad as people claim it to be (that title belongs to Energon). Besides, my list was not a canonical list of best series to worst series, but a list of MY PERSONAL FAVORITES to least favorites. There were no facts put into that list, hence why I left Prime off.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:26 pm

Sabrblade wrote:I grew up on Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and RiD, thus they hold great sentimental value for me


I... I had no idea... I'm so sorry for you.
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:00 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:I grew up on Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and RiD, thus they hold great sentimental value for me


I... I had no idea... I'm so sorry for you.
Why, what'd you grow up on? I'm glad to have been introduced to the series by the one that holds the highest regard among the majority of the fandom (BW). :mrgreen:

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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:37 pm

Sabrblade wrote:what'd you grow up on?


In effect, two VHS tapes, each with material that was copied from tapes that my mom rented from Blockbuster. One tape had most of Season 1, though the episodes were in the wrong order (since we had no idea what the correct order was and not every video store had every episode). The other tape had a censored version of the movie and "The Return of Optimus Prime".

Sabrblade wrote:Oh and, FWIW, your opinion is not Word of God.


Says who? God?
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:47 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:what'd you grow up on?


In effect, two VHS tapes, each with material that was copied from tapes that my mom rented from Blockbuster. One tape had most of Season 1, though the episodes were in the wrong order (since we had no idea what the correct order was and not every video store had every episode). The other tape had a censored version of the movie and "The Return of Optimus Prime".
No offense, but that's kinda sad. |:|
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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby craggy » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:15 am

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cotss2012 wrote:I'm sorry, but the correct order is as follows:
No such thing exists.

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Re: Beast Wars was crazy!

Postby cotss2012 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:21 pm

Sabrblade wrote:No offense, but that's kinda sad. |:|


Hardly. I got to see the good parts of G1 - "Fire in the Sky", "SOS Dinobots", "War of the Dinobots", "The Ultimate Doom", "Heavy Metal War", the movie, etc. - without suffering through stuff like "The Girl who Loved Powerglide" and "The Rebirth".

It's certainly a million times better than growing up on RID or the first season of BW.
I do not blame Michael Bay for crapping all over a huge part of my childhood. He just directed the scripts that were given to him. I blame Orci, Kurtzman, and Krueger, who seem completely incapable of concocting a story that even halfway makes sense.

RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
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