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Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby jindrak » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:09 pm

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Ok, so here's my conundrum. I grew up with and LOVE G1. I was six years old when the TV series and toys came out: Perfect, spot on target audience. By the time the G2 stuff started coming out, I was "Too old" to like toys and cartoons so I stopped paying attention to Transformers. Fast forward to 2007, I like most other kids of the 80's went to see Bayformers, and it was so-so, but did nothing to re-ignite my love of the franchise.

Fast forward to now. I randomly fell in love with toy collecting again, and Transformers in general. Re-watching G1 is great because of the nostalgia and cell-based animation, and since TF:Prime was the newest incarnation, I gave that a shot too; and loved it! So with both ends of the current series covered, I naturally want to get into everything that's transpired during my long hiatus. Beastwars complete series is on netflix! Perfect!

But..I just cant get past how much it shows it's age. The sound effects and CGI are straight out of Everquests era, and I just am unable to just enjoy it for what it is. So tell me; is beastwars the G1 of the generation after mine? Is it beloved because it was what people grew up with and their nostalgia glasses let them overlook the age of the series? I hear great things about it from just about everyone on every board, and don't want to miss out, but it's tough to get psyched up about.

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Re: Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:13 am

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I love Beast Wars. I grew up on G1 as well (even though I'm a few years younger than you) but quality-wise, I think the BW TV show blew G1 out of the water, both art and story wise. Toys? Not so much. The only BW toy I really liked was the original ultra-class Optimus Primal. But otherwise, Beast Wars is still my favorite series to this date, coming in 2nd overall to the original G1 US Marvel comic as my favorite TF story ever. I say keep watching, especially seasons 2 and 3 (LOTS of G1 references!) and see if it would either grow on you or the story helps you get over the parts you don't like. Personally, I think Beast Wars is as good as it gets in TF animated series, followed by TFA and Galaxy Force. TFP s good, but it couldn't hold my interest. So i say just keep with it for a while, season 1 is the weakest of the 3 seasons, but that's not saying it's bad. You say you love G1, then if the ending of season 2 doesn't make you love the series, nothing will. Except maybe the end of season 3. :D
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Re: Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby PrymeStriker » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:18 am

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For a lot of us that weren't around for the original 80s show, the Beast era is our "G1" I guess, myself included.

I think the thing that attracts Beast Wars the most is that it's different from G1. While The Transformers had some subgroups of beastformers here and there, everyone in Beast Wars was a beastformer! It was so unusual; so cool!

Also, the Beast Wars toys were the pioneers of ball joints and shellforming. :P
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Re: Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby jindrak » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:47 am

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OK, I can definitely give it a shot, especially knowing that it develops more as the seasons progress!

Are there any series to wait until last to watch? I've heard Armada and Energon are pretty poor.
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Postby Noideaforaname » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:06 am

If you're willing to sit thru "Carnage in C Minor" and "B.O.T.", do yourself a favor and see "Code of Hero" and all three parts of "The Agenda."


Armada starts weak (like "skip the first dozen episodes" weak) but gets a lot stronger as it goes along, especially during the "Unicron Battles" arc.

Energon... just skip it. If you think Beast Wars has outdated CGI you do NOT want to see Energon's; there is exactly one facial expression: dull surprise. Everything else -- the writing, pacing, characterizations, story arcs, etc. -- is poorly done. Plot points lead nowhere, characters develop then mercilessly get wiped clean, all mentions of death are haphazardly cut out or replaced; just terrible.
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Re: Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby PrymeStriker » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:06 am

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jindrak wrote:OK, I can definitely give it a shot, especially knowing that it develops more as the seasons progress!

Are there any series to wait until last to watch? I've heard Armada and Energon are pretty poor.


RiD and Beast Machines were gutwrenchingly horrid. :SICK:
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Re: Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:44 am

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Yeah, Armada took me back to G1 as well, I recommend it. Thought it starts slowly. Energon and Beast Machines SUCKED.
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Re: Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby Chaoslock » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:49 pm

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jindrak wrote:OK, I can definitely give it a shot, especially knowing that it develops more as the seasons progress!

Are there any series to wait until last to watch? I've heard Armada and Energon are pretty poor.


RiD and Beast Machines were gutwrenchingly horrid. :SICK:


RiD was... But Beast Machines is a must-see-once for every tf fan. It's a lot darker than BW, and the ending is not optimal, but it is a good continuation of BW.
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Re: Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby jindrak » Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:58 pm

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Quick update: I watched the first 3 or 4 episodes of BW and it is kinda growing on me. Oddly, I find the fact that the Predacons and Maximals are balanced 5 on 5 rather than the 10 to one odds the poor Autobots seem to suffer in every other series :)
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Re: Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby PrymeStriker » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:31 pm

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jindrak wrote:Oddly, I find the fact that the Predacons and Maximals are balanced 5 on 5 rather than the 10 to one odds the poor Autobots seem to suffer in every other series :)


In the overall series, there a few more Predacons than Maximals. I don't remember how they kept the balance in each season, though. It's been a long time since I have seen Beast Wars.
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Postby Nutimus Prime » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:06 pm

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Im watching all the Transformers series with my daughter, most for my first time too. :) At least what I find age appropriate so we skipped Japanese stuff because of the subtitles and will probably skip Beast Machines from what Ive heard. We started with G1 and we just finished season 2 of Beast Wars. She loves it and I do too. My little brothers watched Beast Wars when it aired but I never really did. Now that Im going through Transformers history I have to say Beast Wars IS amazing. Characters, story, everything. I dont usually judge older stuff too harshly on visual quality, etc. because technology always gets better. You cant flat out say a movie is crap because its black and white and was filmed in the 20s. Other aspects need to be evaluated. Classics and all that. ;)

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Re: Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:05 pm

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jindrak wrote:So with both ends of the current series covered, I naturally want to get into everything that's transpired during my long hiatus. Beastwars complete series is on netflix! Perfect!

But..I just cant get past how much it shows it's age. The sound effects and CGI are straight out of Everquests era, and I just am unable to just enjoy it for what it is.
G1 one is even more old and aged than Beast Wars. If you can get passed the "80s retro" feel of G1, then Beast Wars should feel like a similar "90s retro" feel to it. ;)

jindrak wrote:So tell me; is beastwars the G1 of the generation after mine?
In a word, yes! It was far more complex and compellingly made with its deep character-driven plots and story arcs. Aside from G1, it is most likely the most influential Transformers series ever made, with every series to come after it owing something to it. It is widely regarded as one of (if not THE) best Transformers cartoons of all time.

jindrak wrote:Is it beloved because it was what people grew up with and their nostalgia glasses let them overlook the age of the series?
Some might think of it nostalgically, but for the most part, it was really well made and even fans who didn't grow up it, having been born later, have watched it and enjoyed it greatly.

jindrak wrote:I hear great things about it from just about everyone on every board, and don't want to miss out, but it's tough to get psyched up about.

Help!
Well, like I said, it's a "retro 90s" series. It was one of the first CGI cartoons of its time and is ntarually not going to be quite up-to-date with the technical production quality of today's CGI shows. ;)

jindrak wrote:OK, I can definitely give it a shot, especially knowing that it develops more as the seasons progress!

Are there any series to wait until last to watch? I've heard Armada and Energon are pretty poor.
Here's a rundown of every cartoon after Beast Wars:
  • Beast Machines - sequel to Beast Wars, a very dark, mature, and philosophical series
  • Robots in Disguise - a Japanese-made, fun-loving series with a lot of humor and a postive atmosphere
  • Armada - A series focusing on the Autobots and Decepticons fighting for control over a smaller third faction called Mini-Cons
  • Go-Bots - A four-episode video series geared towards preschoolers, based on the Playskool toyline of the same name
  • Energon - the 20th anniversary cartoon featuring a plethora of G1-inspired character designs
  • Cybertron - A galaxy-spanning series in which the Autobots must save Cybertron from a black hole by finding four scattered magical keys (this was the inspriation for TF: Prime's Omega Key story arc)
  • Animated - A bright and colorful series starring a young Optimus Prime and nearly as good storytelling as Beast Wars
  • Rescue Bots - A non-war-based series set concurrently with Prime, in which there are no Decepticons and the Autobots are all civil servants that aid humanity in emergency response missions (though intended for preschoolers, this show is top-notch quality family entertainment for all ages).

Regarding everyone's opinions about these shows, I think it is only fair for one who has never seen these shows to simply watch them themselves to form their own opinions about them.

Also, on the other side of the Pacific, Japan produced several Transformers cartoons of their own that were never released in English in the U.S.:
  • The Headmasters - a direct sequel to G1 which ignores the final "The Rebirth" episodes and tells an all new story about the Headmasters and Targetmasters
  • Super-God Masterforce - a very human-centric series in which the Autobots and Decepticons recruit humans into becoming actual Transformers to fight in the war for the planet, meaning ANYBODY could be a potential enemy.
  • Victory - a futuristic series set in 2025 with lots of Combiner-based characters
  • Zone - a one-episode sequel to Victory that was canceled after its first episode
  • Beast Wars II - a cel-shaded animated cartoon that told a story about a different Beast Wars set elsewhere from the U.S. Beast Wars cartoon
  • Beast Wars Neo - sequel to Beast Wars II picking up where that series left off with a new cast of characters

The first four have been released on DVD in English-speaking countries, but only in Japanese with English subtitles. Though, there are some DVDs that have optional English audio tracks for some of these, but these English voice tracks were made in Malaysia and are excruciatingly terrible. The Japanese language versions are the true versions of these stories, whereas the English versions of these have been botched up and mangled into something worth less than a drinking game.

As for the latter two, they have yet to be released to English-speaking countries in any subtitled form.

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jindrak wrote:Oddly, I find the fact that the Predacons and Maximals are balanced 5 on 5 rather than the 10 to one odds the poor Autobots seem to suffer in every other series :)


In the overall series, there a few more Predacons than Maximals. I don't remember how they kept the balance in each season, though. It's been a long time since I have seen Beast Wars.
The numbers mostly remain even for the entire series run, even when both sides gain (and lose) more members.

Nutimus Prime wrote:Im watching all the Transformers series with my daughter, most for my first time too. :) At least what I find age appropriate so we skipped Japanese stuff because of the subtitles
Subtitles are no reason to skip a series. Granted, while a child may not take to them, you could still watch them yourself. ;)

Nutimus Prime wrote:and will probably skip Beast Machines from what Ive heard.
Beast Machines is probably the most intellectually stimulating of any Transformers cartoon, being very highbrow and philosophical in its story.

Nutimus Prime wrote:We started with G1 and we just finished season 2 of Beast Wars. She loves it and I do too. My little brothers watched Beast Wars when it aired but I never really did. Now that Im going through Transformers history I have to say Beast Wars IS amazing. Characters, story, everything. I dont usually judge older stuff too harshly on visual quality, etc. because technology always gets better. You cant flat out say a movie is crap because its black and white and was filmed in the 20s. Other aspects need to be evaluated. Classics and all that. ;)

We watched "Code of Hero" last night and I just thought wow she may not really be getting this all right now but I am and holy crap. Now I see why its a fan favorite. "A deed once done cannot be undone.." Thats all Ill say.
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Re: Beastwars: help me not care about how its aged!

Postby jindrak » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:42 pm

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Thanks for the super in depth run down! After reading some of the comments here and watching a few more episodes of Beastwars, it is actually fun to watch. I think what put me off the most at first is that a LOT of the scenery and sound EFX came right out of the Everquest PC game which I played for..way too long. This really put the series in a specific time period to me, so struck the "dated" chord hard.

Quite honestly though, I am so friggin cuckoo for TFs right now, I'll most likely watch everything I can get my hands on :) Feels good to be young again.
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Postby Sabrblade » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:14 am

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jindrak wrote:Quite honestly though, I am so friggin cuckoo for TFs right now, I'll most likely watch everything I can get my hands on :) Feels good to be young again.
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I'm especially ashamed since one of them has become one of my favorites and I forgot it. :oops:
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Postby RhA » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:54 am

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jindrak wrote:OK, I can definitely give it a shot, especially knowing that it develops more as the seasons progress!

Are there any series to wait until last to watch? I've heard Armada and Energon are pretty poor.


RiD and Beast Machines were gutwrenchingly horrid. :SICK:


RiD was... But Beast Machines is a must-see-once for every tf fan. It's a lot darker than BW, and the ending is not optimal, but it is a good continuation of BW.


Yeah, I just do not get the hate on BM. I loved it, the balance between Megatron and Primal is just awesome. Pretty funky art style as well.
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Sabrblade wrote:Subtitles are no reason to skip a series. Granted, while a child may not take to them, you could still watch them yourself. ;)


Sabrblade wrote:Beast Machines is probably the most intellectually stimulating of any Transformers cartoon, being very highbrow and philosophical in its story.


When I say child I mean my preschool age daughter. So she definitely wont be taking to reading the subtitles lol. Im already pushing some boundaries as far as what Im allowing her to watch, Transformers wise I mean, but she knows the difference between pretend and real so its working well at the moment. No Bay movies thats for sure lol. Ill be grabbing all 3 G1 Japanese series to watch for myself and when shes a bit older we can start them.

As for Beast Machines I will definitely watch it after Beast Wars but Im debating her introduction to it. I may watch each episode, make sure its appropriate, then watch with her.

When we finish Beast Wars/ Beast Machines I have some decisions to make. I wanted to watch all english series in chronological order but Im debating skipping over Robots in Disguise, Armada, Energon, Cybertron and Animated. If so we are jumping right to Prime and Rescue Bots. Im excited for Prime and Rescue Bots looks very fun for kids.
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I think she would like Armada and Animated, especially the latter. It's very fun and visual. As for Beast Machines, definitely wait until later with it. You can watch it and make your own mind up about it, but it's not really for kids. Very dark and depressing. Personally, I think it's the worst TF series after Cybertron, but that's just my opinion.
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If your going to watch Prime with your daughter, note that it's more mature than Beast Machines! It has real Robo-Gore. Beast Machines is dark, yeah. But not as dark as prime.
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BeastProwl wrote:If your going to watch Prime with your daughter, note that it's more mature than Beast Machines! It has real Robo-Gore. Beast Machines is dark, yeah. But not as dark as prime.


Beast Machines isn't really as dark in my opinion, but it sure is creepier and more depressing than Prime. Beast Machines gave me nightmares as a child, especially that Blackarachnia. :-s
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Postby Sabrblade » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:23 am

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Nutimus Prime wrote:When I say child I mean my preschool age daughter. So she definitely wont be taking to reading the subtitles lol.
Ah, right then.

Nutimus Prime wrote:Im already pushing some boundaries as far as what Im allowing her to watch, Transformers wise I mean, but she knows the difference between pretend and real so its working well at the moment. No Bay movies thats for sure lol.
Agreed. ;)

Nutimus Prime wrote:Ill be grabbing all 3 G1 Japanese series to watch for myself and when shes a bit older we can start them.
Right on.

Nutimus Prime wrote:As for Beast Machines I will definitely watch it after Beast Wars but Im debating her introduction to it. I may watch each episode, make sure its appropriate, then watch with her.
It's more like she may not quite understand all that's going on aside from "good guys fighting bad guys". If anything, she might be a bit bored with it if it doesn't keep her attention going.

Nutimus Prime wrote:When we finish Beast Wars/ Beast Machines I have some decisions to make. I wanted to watch all english series in chronological order but Im debating skipping over Robots in Disguise, Armada, Energon, Cybertron and Animated. If so we are jumping right to Prime and Rescue Bots. Im excited for Prime and Rescue Bots looks very fun for kids.
If you haven't seen them, don't skip them. Regardless of their quality, they are important parts of the Transformers brand history and were the biggest things of their time. And they're especially good for kids in their own ways:
  • Robots in Disguise is fun series with a lot of humor and a positive atmosphere
  • Armada has a Pokemon-esque feel to it with a collecting theme that's easy for kids to follow
  • Energon has the ironic benefit of being easy to entertain kids who like "good vs. bad" cartoon fights because that's pretty much all it is since it has no real plot whatsoever and thus no complicated story to keep track of. :P
  • Cybertron had a great number of things going for it to appeal to kids with a decent story structure and clear goal.
  • Animated was near-Beast Wars's level of quality storytelling about a young, relatable Optimus Prime and his team of unseasoned Autobots who grow and mature as character by overcoming impossible odds and having a blast of fun, action, and humor all rolled into one. :D

Oh, and there's also the four-episode preschool aged cartoon from the early-to-mid 2000s, Go-Bots, which had no war conflict and was made to tie in with the Playskool toyline of the time, Transformers: Go-Bots. Your daughter might really get a kick out of this. ;)

Rodimus Prime wrote:I think she would like Armada and Animated, especially the latter. It's very fun and visual. As for Beast Machines, definitely wait until later with it. You can watch it and make your own mind up about it, but it's not really for kids. Very dark and depressing. Personally, I think it's the worst TF series after Cybertron, but that's just my opinion.
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BeastProwl wrote:If your going to watch Prime with your daughter, note that it's more mature than Beast Machines! It has real Robo-Gore. Beast Machines is dark, yeah. But not as dark as prime.


Beast Machines isn't really as dark in my opinion, but it sure is creepier and more depressing than Prime. Beast Machines gave me nightmares as a child, especially that Blackarachnia. :-s
I dunno what you guys are talking about, but I LOVED Beast Machines as kid (I was still in grade school when it came on), and I had those kinds of parent who shielded me from everything and anything objectionable. Yet, Beast Machines was considered okay and I came to like it even moreso as I got older and understood it better. 8)

I really dug the "alien" look of the Maximals (even Nightscream and Botanica, but NOT Rattrap's Robot Mode :roll: ), as my mind told me, "If an alien planet like Cybertron ever had organic fauna of its own, this is what they would likely look like." Like, Blackarachnia isn't just a Technorganic spider, but a Cybertronian Technorganic spider. :-B
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BeastProwl wrote:If your going to watch Prime with your daughter, note that it's more mature than Beast Machines! It has real Robo-Gore. Beast Machines is dark, yeah. But not as dark as prime.


Beast Machines isn't really as dark in my opinion, but it sure is creepier and more depressing than Prime. Beast Machines gave me nightmares as a child, especially that Blackarachnia. :-s
I dunno what you guys are talking about, but I LOVED Beast Machines as kid (I was still in grade school when it came on), and I had those kinds of parent who shielded me from everything and anything objectionable. Yet, Beast Machines was considered okay and I came to like it even moreso as I got older and understood it better. 8)


When Beast Machines was out, I was in pre-school. I too had have parents that put me in a metaphorical bubble. Beast Wars was fine for me, probably because I was a little older when I actually bothered to look at more episodes. I have no problem watching Beast Machines now, but back then... :-s
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PrymeStriker wrote:When Beast Machines was out, I was in pre-school.
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So Robots in Disguise and Animated arent as bad as some people make them out to be? As long as my daughter likes it we will watch it then. Hub has been airing Animated in widescreen HD so I was hoping to see it rereleased or wait until I can record it.

I know the Unicron Trilogy has a lot of opinions on quality whether it be plot, animation, dubbing, etc. We may end up watching it. But every series we watch adds more time before I can watch the show I was interested in starting, Prime lol.

Is Prime that bad for young ones? Ive skimmed some episodes because Im buying the Blu-rays in anticipation of us starting it but I havent seen anything crazy yet. Like I said Ive only watched pieces at a time. I know Cliffjumper goes byebye in the first episode or so but I havent actually watched it yet. I guess Prime may be a show I watch each episode first then decide if its ok to watch with her.
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Postby Sabrblade » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:45 pm

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Nutimus Prime wrote:So Robots in Disguise and Animated arent as bad as some people make them out to be? As long as my daughter likes it we will watch it then. Hub has been airing Animated in widescreen HD so I was hoping to see it rereleased or wait until I can record it.

I know the Unicron Trilogy has a lot of opinions on quality whether it be plot, animation, dubbing, etc. We may end up watching it. But every series we watch adds more time before I can watch the show I was interested in starting, Prime lol.

Is Prime that bad for young ones? Ive skimmed some episodes because Im buying the Blu-rays in anticipation of us starting it but I havent seen anything crazy yet. Like I said Ive only watched pieces at a time. I know Cliffjumper goes byebye in the first episode or so but I havent actually watched it yet. I guess Prime may be a show I watch each episode first then decide if its ok to watch with her.
There are TONS of varying opinions on all of these shows, so your best bet would be to few them for yourself and form your own. ;)

For me, I hold no delusions over Robots in Disguise, it is nothing great. But I loved it as a kid and consider it a guilty pleasure of mine.

The Unicron Trilogy is a mixed bag. Armada got better as it went on, Energon got worse as it went on, and Cybertron was decent all around.

Go-Bots is just pure zany lulz and catchiness. :lol:

Animated really only gets hated on because of its cartoony art style and quirky characters. But it's really a diamond in the rough with great storytelling and characterization.

Prime is only really dark in certain episodes, but it's only the robots that the violence affects, so there's nothing overtly gruesome on the human side. And it does have its fair share of lighter-toned fun episodes with humor and such.
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Sabrblade wrote:There are TONS of varying opinions on all of these shows, so your best bet would be to few them for yourself and form your own. ;)

For me, I hold no delusions over Robots in Disguise, it is nothing great. But I loved it as a kid and consider it a guilty pleasure of mine.

The Unicron Trilogy is a mixed bag. Armada got better as it went on, Energon got worse as it went on, and Cybertron was decent all around.

Go-Bots is just pure zany lulz and catchiness. :lol:

Animated really only gets hated on because of its cartoony art style and quirky characters. But it's really a diamond in the rough with great storytelling and characterization.

Prime is only really dark in certain episodes, but it's only the robots that the violence affects, so there's nothing overtly gruesome on the human side. And it does have its fair share of lighter-toned fun episodes with humor and such.


Welp Ill have to give RiD a shot. I was living in Germany when it aired and couldnt really find the time, or channel lol, to watch it. The Unicron Trilogy I wanted to watch but 156 episodes is a lot to go through before getting to what I want. :P And Ill be watching Energon ep 33 solo. Go-Bots Ill have to grab just to have a Saturday morning marathon. :)

Ill get Animated as soon as all the episodes have aired in widescreen. They may have already actually. The comparison shots show its much better than when it originally aired. In any case, since I have all the other series to watch first I should have plenty of time to get Animated.

Prime just seems like a well balanced show for all ages. Not that Id say the others werent but the art direction, voice acting, toys, etc. of Prime really hook me. So when Xmas arrives we may have started Prime, and if we did, she will have plenty of Prime toys as a surprise. :D Theyre sitting in the closet waiting to be opened and Im in the process of getting the other deluxes and voyagers.
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