xyl360 wrote: Sabrblade wrote:
xyl360 wrote:And of course, as a G1 fan, I LOVED all the references to G1 and the fact that the writers chose to make it take place in the G1 continuity, some 3 centuries after the end of the Great War.
Albeit, without tying it directly to either version (Sunbow cartoon or Marvel comic), preferring to remain vague on the matter by having it exist within its own unique G1 continuity that borrows elements from both instead of favoring one over the other.
Actually, most of the references in Beast Wars to G1 are taken directly from the G1 cartoon. The only one I'm aware of that stands out as being from the comics is Ravage speaking, but this is easily explained in the fact that he was reformatted (new software) and rebuilt (new hardware) as a Predacon, meaning they probably just installed a voicebox
Though most were indeed taken from the cartoon, the BW cartoon officially treats the Generation 1 era as Arthurian legend, so as to not pick either the cartoon or the comic as being more truthful than its counterpart. So, they took elements from both and created a continuity that's a mixture of both.
From TFWiki.net's "Beast Wars coninuity
Beast Wars storylines are, in general, a subsection of the Generation 1 continuity family. But the Beast Wars cartoon does not adhere to any particular version of Generation 1 continuity that has been seen; instead it borrows facets from many and composites them into a sort of vague "mythology" that forms the Beast Wars characters' past.
Though the entire show takes place millions of years ago, the characters originated from a point 300 years into the future of Generation 1. Which Generation 1 is never made clear; the cartoon draws elements from both the original G1 comics and cartoons, and the writers stated that in the context of the cartoon, the events of the various Generation 1 stories should be regarded as something akin to Arthurian legend, rather than an exact history.
xyl360 wrote:Yes, I'm quite aware of what the interviews on the DVD's say, but they're lying, at least partially. There's way too much that took place in Beast Wars that they got precisely right that they could not have guessed at were they really not at all familiar with Beast Wars, including the flashbacks to the events at the end of Beast Wars where Megatron is imprisoned on the hull of the Autobot shuttle. That's neither here nor there though, and I do understand what you're saying and I understand why they did it the way they did (they also didn't want to confuse kids by introducing 3 factions, i.e. Maximals, Vehicons AND Predacons, something they mention in those same interviews, though they did slip up at least once, where Rattrap and Cheetor are dealing with Tankor (Rhinox) and one of them says something like "Imagine if he were a Predacon").
Well, they obviously would have had to know SOME details of the BW cartoon and its event in order to make BM match up with it. I didn't mean that they were completely in the dark of the BW cartoon, just that they may not have been aware of some of the more subtle specifics like the political state the BW cartoon hinted at.
xyl360 wrote:Yes, I've read it. I really liked the Dreamwave Botcon Beast Wars comics, though there are elements I despise (like all of the G1 'survivors' like the Wreckers etc.), though I know that was just good ol' G1 fanwank.
3H, not Dreamwave.
xyl360 wrote:I also didn't particularly like the references to Primus, since the only references in the G1 shows to him (including Beast Wars/Beast Machines) is in name alone and not once is he referenced as 'being Cybertron' so it was always assumed that he was some great leader from the past or a messiah-type figure to the Cybertronians.
That's another one of the elements taken from the comic instead of the cartoon and makes BW its own unique continity instead of being one that takes the G1 cartoon as gospel.
However, an instance in which Primus is hinted at being the Cybertronian god is in the "Nemesis" two-parter, in which the Covenant of Primus is treated as an analogy to the Bible, in which the Covenant is to Primus as the Bible is to God.
xyl360 wrote:This does spark another thought I've often had though, which I wrote about in a fanfic concept. The Autobots, ever since the G1 movie, always say "Til' all are one!". In reality, if taken literally, then that was precisely what Megatron was trying to do, unite all of the sparks on Cybertron and make them 'ONE' as in one single entity. In fact, to quote Beast Machines Megatron: "...Uniting every spark on Cybertron into one perfect being: ME!", though that obviously was likely not the writers' intent at any point in the series, but food for philosophical thought nonetheless.
Ever read the awesome that is "Singularity Ablyss"? In that story, which is set during the BM episode "Spark of Darkness", Megatron, while in a state of limbo until his spakr finally finds a new host body in the Diagnostic Drone he gets stuck in, is guided through the Allspark by Rhinox acting as a spirit guide for him, and everything Rhinox show him he misinterprets into him thinking he's the most important being of all (like, when he's shown that every spark pulses to the same cosmic rhythm, showing that all sparks are equal, he misinterprets this as thinking all sparks pulse to his own
rhythm). From this, he takes it upon himself to untie all the sparks into his own very being. Rather than let himself become aprt of the collective, he set out to make himself become the collective.
xyl360 wrote:In addition, I've had the idea that if Megatron had succeeded, but wanted to consume the Matrix itself and chose an opportune moment in history from which to retrieve it (i.e. following the death of Optimus Prime when it was passed to their new leader), he could have (assuming he has taken Cybertron as his new body a-la Unicron in the G1 series, Ghost in the Machine I believe?) used transwarp cells to transport himself, this planet-sized Transformer who now consumes matter the same way his super-spark consumes the sparks (souls) of Cybertronians in Beast Machines, back to the year 2005 when Optimus died in order to attempt to intercept the Matrix and consume the TF's and/or the Matrix (though admittedly he did ask Megatron/Galvatron to destroy it as I recall). Even the name would fit given 'Uni' means 'one' (i.e. Unicron) and that he was intent on consuming all life in the universe, including every spark on Cybertron.
...I don't remember him wanting that
Matrix. He was after the Allspark, the afterlife dimension of all sparks, which is also known as the "Matrix". The physical talisman of G1 was a window to this place, but that'd do Megatron little good if he's got access to the Oracle.
Sorry, way OT but it's a topic I'm kinda passionate about
Also, we do a LOT of winking around here.