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BeastProwl wrote:

Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.

Truer Words have never been spoken!

Every other Pretender that has had an update favored the shell. Every single one. Bludgeon, Skullgrin, Thunderwing, Black Shadow. The only reason why none of them have had human faces is because they were all Decepticons/Destrons. I for one welcome our new human overlords.

I'll get it because I like the character, but this toy should NOT be called "Metalhawk", as this is the Pretender shell, whose name in this form was simply "Hawk". The inner robot went by the name "Metalhawk".

Emperor Galvatron wrote:I'd rather have the Cyclonus mold, and the Silverbolt mold for Overlord.

This!

Rated X wrote:Sucks.

It is not a shell so it should not have the shells human face. This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.

zodconvoy wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:

Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.

Truer Words have never been spoken!

Every other Pretender that has had an update favored the shell. Every single one. Bludgeon, Skullgrin, Thunderwing, Black Shadow. The only reason why none of them have had human faces is because they were all Decepticons/Destrons.

This as well.

Maybe they'll release his inner robot from Cyclonus as a bagged figure either at BotCon 2012 or 2013. Or even make it a Club-Exclusive in 2013. Who knows? I just want to see the thing before I decide how I feel about it.

I love the idea behind this one and really like the effort.

On your mark! Get SET ! Terrible. Haha. Well, maybe not terrible , just not as good as I was counting on. I was hoping this was the savior of the box set.

pssssst hey third parties.....

why doesn't someone make a replacement for that little drone piece that transforms into the inner robot...and they could do repaints for the normal hasbro products too.

who would buy that? (raises hands).

I think it is a good effort. They are giving us the robot mode as the shell and the alt mode for the inner robot mode. Gonna be real tough to make it exact with only on piece to work with when Pretenders are comprised of two pieces.

Pretenders never were the favored gimmick of Transformers, but after reading the comics use of them I was sold on them, they are a pretty neat idea, just they haven't perfected the idea in toy form.

I just wish they had incorporated the gold chrome somewhere on the toy, maybe on the drone.

I like it, we can always use more classics pretenders... too bad I'm not going to Botcon

A part of me thinks it's kinda neat since it's such an oddball way to do a TF. I do like my TFs to be transformable ROBOTS; I wouldn't want a whole lineup of "humanformers", but it makes a kind of sense with Metal Hawk. I guess the fiction will pretend he has some sort of inner robot that goes with the toy we're seeing.

The effort might have gone over better if the "drone" turned into a tiny robot you could put into the mold. Dotto on the original Thunderwing. But it's such a small thing ... I don't know if it could be turned into any kind of passable robot.

Sabrblade wrote:I'll get it because I like the character, but this toy should NOT be called "Metalhawk", as this is the Pretender shell, whose name in this form was simply "Hawk". The inner robot went by the name "Metalhawk".

Emperor Galvatron wrote:I'd rather have the Cyclonus mold, and the Silverbolt mold for Overlord.

This!

Rated X wrote:Sucks.

It is not a shell so it should not have the shells human face. This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.

zodconvoy wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:

Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.

Truer Words have never been spoken!

Every other Pretender that has had an update favored the shell. Every single one. Bludgeon, Skullgrin, Thunderwing, Black Shadow. The only reason why none of them have had human faces is because they were all Decepticons/Destrons.

This as well.

My point is the concept just won’t receive the same love as the Decepticon pretenders. I am an 80’s child so I can vouch for this. I had Skullgrin and Bugly as a kid. The Decepticon pretenders sold while the Autobot pretenders were shelf warmers. No kid wanted to own an oversized human doll.

Now back to 2012. Thanks to Michael Bay, a robot can have any type of weird alien, bug, skull, or monster face and still pass as a robot. But a human face? It’s as stupid a concept now as it was 25 years ago. Scale wise, the robot inside the shell would have to be as small as a child, while the Decepticon pretenders could be any size since there is no scale for monsters. Unless you would be “fooled” by a 20 foot tall human walking down the block. I never saw the 80's japanese cartoon, so I dont know if the humans played a different role than as the actual figures which portrayed them as huge shells. But judging from these photos posted, even a deluxe is way out of scale with other classics figures. Maybe if he were legends size.

I understand the homage factor, but the cool factor just isn’t there.