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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby Mkall » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:34 am

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El Duque wrote:Finding it really hard to get excited for this set. Hopefully the attendee only figures can save it for me.

Agreed.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby xyl360 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:41 am

Manterax Prime wrote:If only 3H hadn't tanked, we would still be getting AWESOME botcon figures, but no.....FunPub wants screw us over for crap.

But overall, it's Hasbro's fault for revoking 3H's rights to the TF line in the first place.

Agreed. I loved the 3H figures. Most of them were completely new/original characters and were great repaints. I guess all of the Botcon homages that Funpub does might sell better to most of the fandom, but I for one would prefer original characters instead of constantly trying to shoehorn existing characters into molds that hardly ever fit them (at least IMO).
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby CBratetron » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:56 am

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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby GuyIncognito » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:37 am

While I'm not crazy about this mold and I hate this color scheme, I will say that it's a really good homage.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:07 am

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xyl360 wrote:
Manterax Prime wrote:If only 3H hadn't tanked, we would still be getting AWESOME botcon figures, but no.....FunPub wants screw us over for crap.

But overall, it's Hasbro's fault for revoking 3H's rights to the TF line in the first place.

Agreed. I loved the 3H figures. Most of them were completely new/original characters and were great repaints. I guess all of the Botcon homages that Funpub does might sell better to most of the fandom, but I for one would prefer original characters instead of constantly trying to shoehorn existing characters into molds that hardly ever fit them (at least IMO).
Fun Pub has created new character toys too:

2005 Buzzclaw
2005 Dirge
2005 Ricochet
2005 Flamewar
2005 Flareup
2005 Virulent Clones
2005 Skyfall
2006 Landquake
2006 Cybertron Astrotrain
2007 Breakaway
Every Shattered Glass character
2008 Topspin
2009 Landshark
2009 Heatwave
Every Fun Pub-released Animated character



And not every 3H figure was a new character. They also made new body toys for existing characters:

1994 Generation 2 Breakdown (technically, pre-3H, but still)
2001 Tigatron
2001 Arcee
2002 Cyclonus
2003 Sunstreaker
2003 Sideswipe
2004 Sentinel Maximus (a hybrid of the existing Apelinq and Primal Prime characters)
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby GuyIncognito » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:28 am

Sabrblade wrote:Fun Pub has created new character toys too:

2005 Buzzclaw
2005 Dirge
2005 Ricochet
2005 Flamewar
2005 Flareup
2005 Virulent Clones
2005 Skyfall
2006 Landquake
2006 Cybertron Astrotrain
2007 Breakaway
Every Shattered Glass character
2008 Topspin
2009 Landshark
2009 Heatwave
Every Fun Pub-released Animated character


I would argue that it doesn't count as a new character if they just take an existing character, change some of the details in its bio, and give it a new look. Many of those "new characters" you listed were really just new takes on existing characters.

Astrotrain's a great example. TFCC Astrotrain wasn't a new character. It's still Astrotrain.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:07 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Fun Pub has created new character toys too:

2005 Buzzclaw
2005 Dirge
2005 Ricochet
2005 Flamewar
2005 Flareup
2005 Virulent Clones
2005 Skyfall
2006 Landquake
2006 Cybertron Astrotrain
2007 Breakaway
Every Shattered Glass character
2008 Topspin
2009 Landshark
2009 Heatwave
Every Fun Pub-released Animated character


I would argue that it doesn't count as a new character if they just take an existing character, change some of the details in its bio, and give it a new look. Many of those "new characters" you listed were really just new takes on existing characters.

Astrotrain's a great example. TFCC Astrotrain wasn't a new character. It's still Astrotrain.


Buzzclaw: New
Insecticon Dirge: New
Ricochet: New
Flamewar: New (at the time)
Flareup: based on Firestar
Virulent Clones: new-ish
The Nexus Prime five: all new
Landshark: New

The rest had analogs in other continuities :-B
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby Mkall » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:13 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Buzzclaw: New
Insecticon Dirge: New
Ricochet: New
Flamewar: New (at the time)
Flareup: based on Firestar
Virulent Clones: new-ish
The Nexus Prime five: all new
Landshark: New

The rest had analogs in other continuities :-B

Don't forget Flak, although I suppose a character with the same name exists as a Micromaster. Whether that's intended or not I'm not sure.

I enjoy it when The Club comes up with new characters instead of mish-mashing or copy/pasting existing characters into new locations.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby GuyIncognito » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:33 pm

How is 2005 Buzzclaw new, when Hasbro made Buzzclaw with the same mold in 1998? It's not like Fun Pub came up with the idea for Buzzclaw out of thin air. They might have altered the character to fit a new continuity, but they didn't create the character.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Obsidian Revealed

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:16 pm

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GuyIncognito wrote:How is 2005 Buzzclaw new, when Hasbro made Buzzclaw with the same mold in 1998? It's not like Fun Pub came up with the idea for Buzzclaw out of thin air. They might have altered the character to fit a new continuity, but they didn't create the character.


Prove the in-fiction link between BW Buzzclaw, and Timelines Buzzclaw, then I'll yield. Namesakes aren't exactly uncommon in any continuity you know?
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