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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby stevescustoms » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:24 am

I was going to ask if this was shattered Glass then I remembered it is Machine Wars. I weould still like to see this in G1 colors.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby Delta Magnus » Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:35 pm

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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby El Duque » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:48 pm

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The BotCon 2013 website has posted official images of their recently revealed convention exclusive Machine Wars Hoist. The figure is a reuse of Generations Sargeant Kup with a new head and deco. Images of the figure in both robot and vehicle mode have been mirrored below.

Botcon 2013 is in San Diego this year from June 27-30. Check out BotCon.com for more information.

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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby Flux Convoy » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:04 pm

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Yup, I still like it. Alt mode looks nice and clean. The striping pops nicely. I assume W&S references Witwicky & Son.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:13 pm

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Flux Convoy wrote:Yup, I still like it. Alt mode looks nice and clean. The striping pops nicely. I assume W&S references Witwicky & Son.
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Close. It actually references Wilk and Son Towing on the original toy:

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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby Rated X » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:14 pm

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W&S Towing with what crane ? I hope somebody does an add on crane. I still say this deco is meant to stand in as Trailbreaker until they get around to a real one.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby xyl360 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:39 pm

Rated X wrote:W&S Towing with what crane ? I hope somebody does an add on crane. I still say this deco is meant to stand in as Trailbreaker until they get around to a real one.

Yeah, I don't think this thing will go long without some 3rd party figuring out that they can sell a simple tow crane add on for this thing and make a fast buck. Somebody will get around to it (if not, there's always Shapeways).
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby Burn » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:00 pm

Rated X wrote:W&S Towing with what crane ?


It's a magic invisible crane!
Magic and invisible like FunPub's business ethics.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby LiKwid » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:03 pm

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The crane will be this years Soundwaves headband..5 bucks and a total POS..
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby Bowspearer » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:46 pm

I was willing to give this guys a slight benefit of the doubt- until I saw that we're getting a tow truck with no actual towing hook. I know they don't go with new molds, but seriously, would sculpting a new weapon that turned into an appropriately sized tow hook REALLY have killed them? Epic fail.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby STngAR » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:23 pm

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Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby rpetras » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:31 pm

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It almost works as Trailbreaker.

A little parts swapping with Swerve (which would be a pain because he has a TON of pins) and you'd have a passable Trailbreaker.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby FracturedKoi » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:55 pm

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I was really hoping they'd make an extra molded bit to stick into the bed of the truck so it would be a makeshift tow truck at least. Doesn't make much sense as MW Hoist, as is xD
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby FracturedKoi » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:55 pm

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STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:


Nope, it isn't just you; I couldn't agree more!
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby Bowspearer » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:26 am

STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:



You're preaching to the choir here ;):

Bowspearer wrote:The other thing is that Kup ideally isn't the best mould choice here. Honestly, as much as i detest movie toys, I was honestly expecting them to draw on the Longarm mould if they did go this way for both Hoist and Hubcap as it is an actual tow truck. Hopefully the other reveals are better fits.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby Tranzilla » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:14 am

I saw a pic of Kup sporting Scout Armorhide's tow weapon and it looks pretty good. There was a Target exclusive of Armorhide that was black in color with a yellow tipped black weapon that should work pretty well. All you would need is some way to mount it in the bed of Koist.

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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby Flux Convoy » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:14 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Close. It actually references Wilk and Son Towing on the original toy:

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Fair enough but who the eff is Wilk? Haha!
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby Bass X0 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:41 am

I still say this deco is meant to stand in as Trailbreaker until they get around to a real one.


Thats just coincidence. Maybe they did go with Hoist out o the 12 Machine Wars toys because of that similarity but really, its just the 1997 MW Hoist colors on the Kup mold.

The other thing is that Kup ideally isn't the best mould choice here.


Its the best mold they can use out of the ones they have available to them.

I know they don't go with new molds, but seriously, would sculpting a new weapon that turned into an appropriately sized tow hook REALLY have killed them? Epic fail.


It wouldn't have killed them but the costs for making such a thing would have been passed onto the customer. Such a thing would be quite expensive solely because its produced in limited numbers. So thats why they don't do it.

STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:


Longarm is based on an on-screen movie vehicle which is off limits for the Club. Also, ALL 2007 movie molds, on screen or not are off limits to the club.

And people would rather see recent molds used than six year old molds.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:01 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Close. It actually references Wilk and Son Towing on the original toy:

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Fair enough but who the eff is Wilk? Haha!
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Wilkinson. You may have heard of that ;)

And for people moaning about him being a pickup, I bring you: G2 Laser Rod Electro. A few pages back we already determined that the head shares features with both Hoist and him, which means the head will do double duty.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby gothsaurus » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:29 am

Aw dang. If they use this mold to crank out the gold laser rod, plus the Machine Wars repaint of Hoist... That's a pretty great use of the mold. With the added hook attachment to the back (bet the price will go up for those on ebay) ... I'm actually pretty happy with this guy. Can't complain about ANY black repaint.

Anyway, they always start off with someone less shockingly awesome for the start of the reveal. From here, should get interesting.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby STngAR » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:07 pm

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Bass X0 wrote:
STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:


Longarm is based on an on-screen movie vehicle which is off limits for the Club. Also, ALL 2007 movie molds, on screen or not are off limits to the club.

And people would rather see recent molds used than six year old molds.



Yea I know all the what they can and can't use, I was just saying it would make more sense. Repainting an obvious big rig tow truck into a some sort of pickup with "towing" on the side of it makes absolutley no sense.

Totally disagree about the old molds.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby gothsaurus » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:14 pm

I wonder if Trailbreaker inspired the original deco for the MW toy. Hmmmmm. >:oP
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby RAcast » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:11 pm

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STngAR wrote:
Bass X0 wrote:
STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:


Longarm is based on an on-screen movie vehicle which is off limits for the Club. Also, ALL 2007 movie molds, on screen or not are off limits to the club.

And people would rather see recent molds used than six year old molds.



Yea I know all the what they can and can't use, I was just saying it would make more sense. Repainting an obvious big rig tow truck into a some sort of pickup with "towing" on the side of it makes absolutley no sense.

Totally disagree about the old molds.

I think Longarm is licensed as well. According to the wiki, he's a Ford F-350; therefore he'd be off-limits to TFCC.
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:15 pm

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RAcast wrote:
STngAR wrote:
Bass X0 wrote:
STngAR wrote:Repainting movie Longarm would have made more sense to me but thats just me. :MAXIMAL:


Longarm is based on an on-screen movie vehicle which is off limits for the Club. Also, ALL 2007 movie molds, on screen or not are off limits to the club.

And people would rather see recent molds used than six year old molds.



Yea I know all the what they can and can't use, I was just saying it would make more sense. Repainting an obvious big rig tow truck into a some sort of pickup with "towing" on the side of it makes absolutley no sense.

Totally disagree about the old molds.

I think Longarm is licensed as well. According to the wiki, he's a Ford F-350; therefore he'd be off-limits to TFCC.


The back of the card still identifies him as a regular "truck", no licensing information anywhere, in contrast to for instance Starscream's "F-22 Raptor". Plus, Ford is not a part of GM who Hasbro struck a deal with for the movies.

In short, unlicensed therefore free to use, were it not for the cameo... Think anybody could ask that at one of the panels?
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Re: First Botcon 2013 FIgure Revealed - Hoist

Postby Burn » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:27 pm

Maybe it's their business vehicle they use for non-towing jobs? Like when the office person goes to the bank ...
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