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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby Bass X0 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:57 am

I think Strika might have been better as a Straxus repaint.


They already used the Darkmount mold. They prefer to use different molds each year.

On the contrary, we've seen 2 G1 characters in the Botcon Machine Wars lineup so far - that's hardly "a STACK of G1 characters".


They've done a stack of G1 characters in previous years and have barely touched Beast Machines.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby Bowspearer » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:54 am

Don't get me wrong - by all means the Club should have Strika somewhere as a Club exclusive figure (it's not like Hasbro would ever do it), but considering the character wasn't even around in 1998, this set is a completely inappropriate place for her to show up.

That said, I really do have to deal with the utterly fallacious response you've given.

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On the contrary, we've seen 2 G1 characters in the Botcon Machine Wars lineup so far - that's hardly "a STACK of G1 characters".


They've done a stack of G1 characters in previous years


We're talking specifically about this year's Machine Wars theme, which according to the convention organisers themselves, was supposed to be how the line would have looked if Hasbro had've released a "Series 2" of the line circa 1997/1998 and therefore how character selection should be appropriate to that premise. What has been done in previous years is irrelevant to how character selection does or does not fit into that premise.

Bass X0 wrote: and have barely touched Beast Machines.


You mean except for 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004 right? All of the stories and themes from those years took place circa the Beast Machines Storyline and where 3H didn't release the toys themselves, they had a list of toys shoehorned into that universe that saw mainstream release (in a similar manner to what was done with SG by FP).
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby Bass X0 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:03 am

Except that the whole concept of this year's particular Botcon line was meant to be essentially a "Series 2" of Machine Wars. Machine Wars was always a redux on G1 characters. Granted G2 characters might have possibly shown up, but with the exception of Megaplex, who was essentially a body double and an excuse to make a recolour out of Megatron, all the characters involved were G1.

If there had've been a series 2, Strika would not have been a part of it as the character would not even come to exist for another few years. However it's highly probable that we would have seen more Autobot Cars and maybe even the cassettes and Constructicons, had there been a Series 2 of Machine Wars.


Nope. Its Machine Wars series two but they never said they would just do Machine Wars characters. Pete@Botcon continually repeated that there are two characters from Machine Wars 1997 and the remaining three would be "game changing". This is not series two as Hasbro would have done it in 1998, but how Botcon 2013 is choosing to forward the story.

Yes and this year we're dealing with Machine Wars - what's your point?


Nope. This isn't just a Machine Wars themed set. It was only called that due to the first two reveals but now we know its Machine Wars + Beast Machines + whatever else they decide to add to this year. An Electro repaint from this year's Hoist is strongly rumored because of the head mold.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:10 am

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If all you want is Machine Wars redone and nothing else added, that would make for a boring set, wouldn't you think? 8 molds, 4 repaints from those molds?
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby njb902 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:31 am

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Bowspearer, would it ease your mind a bit if I told you Strika was retconned into the G1 cartoon series via the Wings Universe by FunPub? If you can locate a pink hunky fembot in the Season 3 Five Faces of Darkness series, that's Strika. The screenshot should be in the first few pages of the thread.

If all you want is Machine Wars redone and nothing else added, that would make for a boring set, wouldn't you think? 8 molds, 4 repaints from those molds?


Hunky fembot?
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:48 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Bowspearer, would it ease your mind a bit if I told you Strika was retconned into the G1 cartoon series via the Wings Universe by FunPub? If you can locate a pink hunky fembot in the Season 3 Five Faces of Darkness series, that's Strika. The screenshot should be in the first few pages of the thread.

If all you want is Machine Wars redone and nothing else added, that would make for a boring set, wouldn't you think? 8 molds, 4 repaints from those molds?


Hunky fembot?


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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby RAcast » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:36 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
njb902 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Bowspearer, would it ease your mind a bit if I told you Strika was retconned into the G1 cartoon series via the Wings Universe by FunPub? If you can locate a pink hunky fembot in the Season 3 Five Faces of Darkness series, that's Strika. The screenshot should be in the first few pages of the thread.

If all you want is Machine Wars redone and nothing else added, that would make for a boring set, wouldn't you think? 8 molds, 4 repaints from those molds?


Hunky fembot?


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It is quite the appropriate retcon, isn't it? :lol: Besides, Strika was ALWAYS G1 character, it makes sense to place her in SOMETHING before Machine Wars.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby Mkall » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:49 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
njb902 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Bowspearer, would it ease your mind a bit if I told you Strika was retconned into the G1 cartoon series via the Wings Universe by FunPub? If you can locate a pink hunky fembot in the Season 3 Five Faces of Darkness series, that's Strika. The screenshot should be in the first few pages of the thread.

If all you want is Machine Wars redone and nothing else added, that would make for a boring set, wouldn't you think? 8 molds, 4 repaints from those molds?


Hunky fembot?


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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:07 pm

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Mkall wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
njb902 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Bowspearer, would it ease your mind a bit if I told you Strika was retconned into the G1 cartoon series via the Wings Universe by FunPub? If you can locate a pink hunky fembot in the Season 3 Five Faces of Darkness series, that's Strika. The screenshot should be in the first few pages of the thread.

If all you want is Machine Wars redone and nothing else added, that would make for a boring set, wouldn't you think? 8 molds, 4 repaints from those molds?


Hunky fembot?


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How do we know it wasn't a male-type robot whose just FABULOUS!


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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby Bowspearer » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:11 pm

Bass X0 wrote:
Except that the whole concept of this year's particular Botcon line was meant to be essentially a "Series 2" of Machine Wars. Machine Wars was always a redux on G1 characters. Granted G2 characters might have possibly shown up, but with the exception of Megaplex, who was essentially a body double and an excuse to make a recolour out of Megatron, all the characters involved were G1.

If there had've been a series 2, Strika would not have been a part of it as the character would not even come to exist for another few years. However it's highly probable that we would have seen more Autobot Cars and maybe even the cassettes and Constructicons, had there been a Series 2 of Machine Wars.


Nope. Its Machine Wars series two but they never said they would just do Machine Wars characters. Pete@Botcon continually repeated that there are two characters from Machine Wars 1997 and the remaining three would be "game changing". This is not series two as Hasbro would have done it in 1998, but how Botcon 2013 is choosing to forward the story.

Yes and this year we're dealing with Machine Wars - what's your point?


Nope. This isn't just a Machine Wars themed set. It was only called that due to the first two reveals but now we know its Machine Wars + Beast Machines + whatever else they decide to add to this year. An Electro repaint from this year's Hoist is strongly rumored because of the head mold.


Actually here's what Pete said here:

The inspiration here is basically a "Machine Wars: Series 2." The 2013 BotCon offerings will work both as a stand alone AND as a continuation of the Machine Wars line. Once people read the fiction fans will see each toy from both series 1 and series 2 work as their own individual character.


This "Series 2" is not just a redux. Yes, there will be homage's to the original toys. But we take it a step further. Some characters will have NEW features/characteristics. Some that were basics will now be in a more appropriate voyager form. And yes, we have also added NEW characters to the Machine Wars line up. Ones that totally fit the MACHINE WARS concept i.e. these are WAR MACHINES!

Long story short, we approached this years offering as a true second series of Machine Wars toys.


Yet the moment you go outside of the characters that were around in 1997/1998 (where maybe you even give BW characters who were around at the time a MW incarnation to be "game changing"), you're no longer in the territory of a Botcon take on the way Hasbro probably would have gone had they done a 2nd series of toys at the time. Where you wind up is essentially "Transformers: Universe" with a Machine Wars flavour to it. The two are radically different approaches and the early press releases made it sound very much like the former.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby njb902 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:18 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
njb902 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Bowspearer, would it ease your mind a bit if I told you Strika was retconned into the G1 cartoon series via the Wings Universe by FunPub? If you can locate a pink hunky fembot in the Season 3 Five Faces of Darkness series, that's Strika. The screenshot should be in the first few pages of the thread.

If all you want is Machine Wars redone and nothing else added, that would make for a boring set, wouldn't you think? 8 molds, 4 repaints from those molds?


Hunky fembot?


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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby njb902 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:19 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
njb902 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Bowspearer, would it ease your mind a bit if I told you Strika was retconned into the G1 cartoon series via the Wings Universe by FunPub? If you can locate a pink hunky fembot in the Season 3 Five Faces of Darkness series, that's Strika. The screenshot should be in the first few pages of the thread.

If all you want is Machine Wars redone and nothing else added, that would make for a boring set, wouldn't you think? 8 molds, 4 repaints from those molds?


Hunky fembot?


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Oh I knew what bot you were pointing out. It was more me trying to wrap my mind around your description.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

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And I called her being an Autobot! I so called it! :DANCE:


I'm a little confused as to why she's an Autobot... :???: So I guess Strika was a Maximal before her reformation into a Vehicon in Beast Machines, and that's what has influenced the move here?
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:54 pm

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And I called her being an Autobot! I so called it! :DANCE:


I'm a little confused as to why she's an Autobot... :???: So I guess Strika was a Maximal before her reformation into a Vehicon in Beast Machines, and that's what has influenced the move here?


Even though she's a Vehicon General in Beast Machines, her original allegiance was never made clear. Her primary directive was "The Protection of Cybertron", so she'd default to whoever has the same goal, in this case Autobots. As Megatron was Cybertron in Beast Machines she defaulted to him.

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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby RAcast » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:14 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Vehicle mode image is now up

And I called her being an Autobot! I so called it! :DANCE:


I'm a little confused as to why she's an Autobot... :???: So I guess Strika was a Maximal before her reformation into a Vehicon in Beast Machines, and that's what has influenced the move here?


Even though she's a Vehicon General in Beast Machines, her original allegiance was never made clear. Her primary directive was "The Protection of Cybertron", so she'd default to whoever has the same goal, in this case Autobots. As Megatron was Cybertron in Beast Machines she defaulted to him.

As BM Thrust said to her, if you're loyal to everyone, you're loyal to nobody. :lol:

Yup, pretty much. 8)
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby El Duque » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:41 pm

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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby RAcast » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:08 pm

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ILL-Star wrote:It's nice that they're giving Strika a back story. But though she is technically good in G1, after Animated, I'm having a hard time seeing her as an Autobot.

We're talking G1, not Animated. Different universe completely. Ever watched Beast Machines? It's -that- Strika.

Jelze put it quite succinctly. "As BM Thrust said to her, if you're loyal to everyone, you're loyal to nobody." Strika and Obsidian dedicated their lives to protecting Cybertron, not to any one faction. They simply sided with whatever side had the best interests of the planet as a whole in mind. Obviously, that means Autobots/Maximals pre and post-Beast Machines, and Vehicons during BM.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

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We're talking G1, not Animated. Different universe completely. Ever watched Beast Machines? It's -that- Strika.


That's not his point. He means after watching Animated, he finds it hard to picture Strika as a good guy gal. Kind of like after the movies, I find it hard to picture an Autobot team without Bumblebee. That doesn't merit a "have you ever watched Armada."

In other words, no kidding we're talking G1. His post proves that he couldn't care less.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby Shockwave7 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:05 pm

Wow - gee. Strika's robot mode (which looks just like Warpath) has an ALT mode that looks.... just like Warpath's alt mode!

Seriously - what's all this 'Strika Tank Mode... REVEALED!!!!' nonsense? Like we didn't know that the alt mode was going to look exactly like Warpath, only with different colors?
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby RAcast » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:09 pm

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ILL-Star wrote:It's nice that they're giving Strika a back story. But though she is technically good in G1, after Animated, I'm having a hard time seeing her as an Autobot.

We're talking G1, not Animated. Different universe completely. Ever watched Beast Machines? It's -that- Strika.


That's not his point. He means after watching Animated, he finds it hard to picture Strika as a good guy gal. Kind of like after the movies, I find it hard to picture an Autobot team without Bumblebee. That doesn't merit a "have you ever watched Armada."

In other words, no kidding we're talking G1. His post proves that he couldn't care less.

*shrug* It's a different continuity. I guess I just don't have any issues separating apples and oranges. They're two entirely different characters with similar names and designs (and perhaps personalities, I've never bothered much with Animated, can't stand the designs), and that's about where it ends in my head.
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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

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Re: Botcon 2013 Machine Wars Strika Revealed

Postby RAcast » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:10 pm

Motto: "Can't stop, so what! That's how I like it!"
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Rated X wrote:Beast Machines isnt G1 and this figure isnt pink. Just slap a con reprolabel over that Funpub misjudgement and call it a day. And somebody hit the Funpub guy over the head with the gavel ! :HEADHURTS:

Your replies are always good for a chuckle, thanks man. :grin:
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