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Re: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Megaplex Revealed

Postby Henry921 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:08 am

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Mindmaster wrote:Plus, Megaplex would be somewhat interesting, if it wasn't for the laziness on FunPub's part and not doing a new head for him.
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This. There go any plans of me getting the Iacon package on this one.

Might get Obsidian on ebay. Have no interest in the others. If Thundercracker gets a mold at the show, I might go out of my way to get the two seekers and pretend they have a mass produced army at their backs (old army building habits there).

A shame. The fiction for this series sounds interesting, but I have only a passing interest in two of the five announced toys, and am not enthused at all. Of course, I felt the same about last year's box set and really liked the at-show souvenir exclusives.

So keep on disappointing, FunPub. I have enough TF toys to pay for this year.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Machine Wars Megaplex Revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:05 am

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Seibertron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Megaplex should've been it, in my opinion, because he was the only "original" character to come out of a cheaply done KB Toys exclusive repaint/mold reuse set.
But Hubcap's bio had him as a different character than G1 Hubcap (which is one of the reasons why some people seem to really like MW Hubcap).


There is no Hubcap bio. If FunPub made one years later in the comic, that doesn't count.
I mean his original 1997 bio:

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Seibertron wrote:Don't buy into that "off limits" stuff either. That probably translates into having to pay a fee to Paramount or giving them a percentage of the profits for the product, however that deal works. Would love to know why they can use Dirge but not Hoist since both are made-up vehicles even though Hoist/Longarm was supposed to represent a GM truck.
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  • Non-film character/non-Paramount-designed character molds molds from ROTF, 2010, and DOTM are okay (like how Bludgeon and Dirge have been)

So, that leaves the following Movieverse toy molds (Deluxe and up) available to use:

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Blazemaster/Evac
Dirge/2010 Jetblade
Lockdown/2010 Axor
Brawn/2010 Fallback

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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Bass X0 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:31 am

Machine Wars Termination will be ignoring certain aspects of the original 1997 bios in favor of new bios that work with the story they have planned.

If Megaplex is no longer an identical stand-in for Megatron and that MWT Hubcap is in fact the oriignal G1 Hubcap and not some creepy new dude, then I'm fine with that.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Manterax Prime » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:22 am

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Bass X0 wrote:Machine Wars Termination will be ignoring certain aspects of the original 1997 bios in favor of new bios that work with the story they have planned.

If Megaplex is no longer an identical stand-in for Megatron and that MWT Hubcap is in fact the oriignal G1 Hubcap and not some creepy new dude, then I'm fine with that.


But Megaplex IS a stand-in for Megatron.

As far as I'm concerned, these molds would've worked better for this set:

Hoist- 07 Movie Longarm/ROTF HOIST!!!!!

Strika- As I said before, Energon Demolishor

Obsidian- Any helicopter.......any!

Skywarp- Amarda or Energon Starscream

Megaplex- If this guy wasn't getting a new head they could've gone with, oh, Idk....POWERIZER MEGATRON!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:27 am

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Manterax Prime wrote:As far as I'm concerned, these molds would've worked better for this set:

Hoist- 07 Movie Longarm/ROTF HOIST!!!!!

Strika- As I said before, Energon Demolishor



Skywarp- Amarda or Energon Starscream
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Manterax Prime » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:31 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
Manterax Prime wrote:As far as I'm concerned, these molds would've worked better for this set:

Hoist- 07 Movie Longarm/ROTF HOIST!!!!!

Strika- As I said before, Energon Demolishor



Skywarp- Amarda or Energon Starscream
And none of those were available to use.



And how long before you realize none of us are going to buy that excuse?
Seriously, this is the 5th or 6th time you've said this?

Not available? Bullshite! I'm not buying it.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Seibertron » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:46 am

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Manterax Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Manterax Prime wrote:As far as I'm concerned, these molds would've worked better for this set:

Hoist- 07 Movie Longarm/ROTF HOIST!!!!!

Strika- As I said before, Energon Demolishor



Skywarp- Amarda or Energon Starscream
And none of those were available to use.



And how long before you realize none of us are going to buy that excuse?
Seriously, this is the 5th or 6th time you've said this?

Not available? Bullshite! I'm not buying it.


I think "not available" really translates to "it would cost too much $$$$$", which is fine, but I'd rather hear that or be given a chance to have a set done right and pay more than a set done half assed and pay around the same that we've been paying.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Manterax Prime » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:48 am

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Seibertron wrote:
Manterax Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Manterax Prime wrote:As far as I'm concerned, these molds would've worked better for this set:

Hoist- 07 Movie Longarm/ROTF HOIST!!!!!

Strika- As I said before, Energon Demolishor



Skywarp- Amarda or Energon Starscream
And none of those were available to use.



And how long before you realize none of us are going to buy that excuse?
Seriously, this is the 5th or 6th time you've said this?

Not available? Bullshite! I'm not buying it.


I think "not available" really translates to "it would cost too much $$$$$", which is fine, but I'd rather hear that or be given a chance to have a set done right and pay more than a set done half assed and pay around the same that we've been paying.


Well, given the amount people are gonna shell out anyway, I'm pretty sure FunPub can afford it.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Bass X0 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:25 pm

But Megaplex IS a stand-in for Megatron.


1997 Megaplex was. Termination Megaplex may not be. And given his different appearance, its looking likely that he won't be considered a stand-in for Megatron.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Manterax Prime » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:30 pm

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Bass X0 wrote:
But Megaplex IS a stand-in for Megatron.


1997 Megaplex was. Termination Megaplex may not be. And given his different appearance, its looking likely that he won't be considered a stand-in for Megatron.


Slow on the uptake huh? The only reason behind his different appearance is FunPub is too lazy to do him right.

And you obviously didn't read the bio, which say Jhiaxus built Megaplex as a clone of Megatron. He may not be a stand in Megs, but we don't know yet.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:48 pm

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So if there are now two Megaplexes (one a Megatron decoy clone and one a Jhiaxus-made clone), and more than one Skywarp, and if the Autobots in this set are their true selves, yet the toys in this set are supposed to go with the existing 1997 toys...

Then WHAT was the confounded point in doing Hoist!?

If they wanted to just do Electro, they shoulda just done Electro, without doing Hoist!

If Hoist is supposed to be G1/MW Hoist, then what good now is the 1997 Hoist toy when they made it so the 1997 Megaplex and Skywarp toys still fit with the new clones of each? :BOOM:
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:54 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:So if there are no two Megaplexes (one a Megatron decoy clone and one a Jhiaxus-made clone), and more than one Skywarp, and if the Autobots in this set are their true selves, yet the toys in this set are supposed to go with the existing 1997 toys...

Then WHAT was the confounded point in doing Hoist!?

If they wanted to just do Electro, they shoulda just done Electro, without doing Hoist!

If Hoist is supposed to be G1/MW Hoist, then what good now is the 1997 Hoist toy when they made it so the 1997 Megaplex and Skywarp toys still fit with the new clones of each? :BOOM:


Well, it is the Wings universe we're talking about, Machine Wars had no fiction whatsoever, and how often do fiction and toy bios overlap anyway? :lol:

Knowing Jhiaxus, he probably made a second batch of clones after the G2 Gobot ones, which resulted in the MW Decepticons, tested them and decided to mass-produce at least the Skywarp one. Who knows?
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:58 pm

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My point is, if they made it so these new toys could go with the old ones by having Megaplex and Skywarp not be the same guys as the 1997 toys, yet Hoist IS the same guy, then what was the point in their making Hoist if it renders the 1997 Hoist's existence moot?
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby GuyIncognito » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:56 pm

Sabrblade wrote:My point is, if they made it so these new toys could go with the old ones by having Megaplex and Skywarp not be the same guys as the 1997 toys, yet Hoist IS the same guy, then what was the point in their making Hoist if it renders the 1997 Hoist's existence moot?


I think you're making the mistake of assuming the folks at FunPub actually thought this whole thing through. And this exemplifies why I don't pay attention to the fiction: it's full of holes, contradictions, inconsistencies, and nonsense. It's just a bunch of crap they come up with to sell more toys. Trying to align the toys with the fiction and make sense of it is madness, a fool's errand.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby KNM2012 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:19 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:My point is, if they made it so these new toys could go with the old ones by having Megaplex and Skywarp not be the same guys as the 1997 toys, yet Hoist IS the same guy, then what was the point in their making Hoist if it renders the 1997 Hoist's existence moot?


I think you're making the mistake of assuming the folks at FunPub actually thought this whole thing through. And this exemplifies why I don't pay attention to the fiction: it's full of holes, contradictions, inconsistencies, and nonsense. It's just a bunch of crap they come up with to sell more toys. Trying to align the toys with the fiction and make sense of it is madness, a fool's errand.


Agreed. The best thing to do when doing research and coming up with a far more valid conclusion is always separate the toy fiction from the series fiction. Especially when you have no clue what changes will be made in the end. Because for all we know, any characters that we may want to see will be seen in later sets. We may have an explanation to why a lazily made character looks like that. So yeah... I guess it is best to ignore all toy bios and focus on what the full story dictates.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:26 pm

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In my inquiries about Hoist, I wasn't ever talking about the toy bios, guys. All I was talking about were what the Club has said in their Tweets about the identities of the characters in this set, in which they said this new Hoist is the same guy as G1 Hoist, which makes 1997 Hoist a pointless toy.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Mkall » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:31 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:In my inquiries about Hoist, I wasn't ever talking about the toy bios, guys. All I was talking about were what the Club has said in their Tweets about the identities of the characters in this set, in which they said this new Hoist is the same guy as G1 Hoist, which makes 1997 Hoist a pointless toy.

Only in terms of lore. In a vintage MW line, MW Hoist is still quite useful.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby sdn1337 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:43 pm

I was hoping to see optimus prime.. :-( I didn't know the set would only have this many figures either considering I'm still getting into the knowledge of all of this transformers culture. But still... it would of been awesome if they did machine wars prime in his non faceplate glory. :KREMZEEK:
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:04 pm

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Okay, I know I've been saying over and over again which molds were and weren't available for the Club to use, and that I haven't provided any source for my claims. I'll admit that I was in error about the Unicron Trilogy molds not being available. Turns out the Club does have access to them, but they're just so old and worn out to the point of being no good to use.

I asked M Sipher (A.K.A. Greg Sepelak), who has worked with the Club with these things, about the matter, and here's what he had to say:

M Sipher wrote:I've been part of the group who's worked on the box sets and countless proposals thereof for several years now. I know from first-hand experience trying to put the sets together in the first place which groups are avoided, so we don't waste time pitching stuff that has a microscopic chance of happening.

On-screen movie stuff and a good chunk of non-screen Movie stuff is off-limits thanks to licensing concerns. UT molds are pretty much written off as unusable due to age and overuse (take a look at the Movie Breakaway made from Cybertron Hot Shot. That toy is ROUGH).

Believe me, nobody at FP is particularly keen on having LESS mold options, but that's the reality.


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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Seibertron » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:21 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Okay, I know I've been saying over and over again which molds were and weren't available for the Club to use, and that I haven't provided any source for my claims. I'll admit that I was in error about the Unicron Trilogy molds not being available. Turns out the Club does have access to them, but they're just so old and worn out to the point of being no good to use.

I asked M Sipher (A.K.A. Greg Sepelak), who has worked with the Club with these things, about the matter, and here's what he had to say:

M Sipher wrote:I've been part of the group who's worked on the box sets and countless proposals thereof for several years now. I know from first-hand experience trying to put the sets together in the first place which groups are avoided, so we don't waste time pitching stuff that has a microscopic chance of happening.

On-screen movie stuff and a good chunk of non-screen Movie stuff is off-limits thanks to licensing concerns. UT molds are pretty much written off as unusable due to age and overuse (take a look at the Movie Breakaway made from Cybertron Hot Shot. That toy is ROUGH).

Believe me, nobody at FP is particularly keen on having LESS mold options, but that's the reality.


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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:41 pm

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Seibertron wrote:You realize what this really means, right?

On-screen movie stuff and a good chunk of non-screen Movie stuff is off-limits thanks to licensing concerns
Precisely. That's what I've been trying to say.

If it didn't come across that way in my previous posts, I apologize, but the molds of any on-screen characters and their redecos from all four Movieverse toylines, as well as any non-screen mold from the 2007-2008 Movie line (like Longarm and Incinerator), have licensing issues with Paramount that keep Fun Pub from being able to use them at their leisure.

Meaning that the only Movieverse toys they can use at their disposal are non-screen character molds from ROTF, 2010, and DOTM.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Seibertron » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:44 pm

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Seibertron wrote:You realize what this really means, right?

On-screen movie stuff and a good chunk of non-screen Movie stuff is off-limits thanks to licensing concerns
Precisely. That's what I've been trying to say.

If it didn't come across that way in my previous posts, I apologize, but the molds of any on-screen characters and their redecos from all four Movieverse toylines, as well as any non-screen mold from the 2007-2008 Movie line (like Longarm and Incinerator), have licensing issues with Paramount that keep Fun Pub from being able to use them at their leisure.

Meaning that the only Movieverse toys they can use at their disposal are non-screen character molds from ROTF, 2010, and DOTM.


I don't think you understood what I meant with my question. You realize what "thanks to licensing concerns" really means, right? Like I've been saying, it comes down to $$$$
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:38 pm

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Seibertron wrote:I don't think you understood what I meant with my question. You realize what "thanks to licensing concerns" really means, right? Like I've been saying, it comes down to $$$$
I kinda figured that went without saying.

I know there are those of us who'd be willing to pay an additional $20 to an already $365 set, but there's still many (like myself) who aren't fond of that $365 price that only gets more and more pricey each year (minus '05 to '06).
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Caelus » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:00 am

Jhiaxus has a funny idea of cloning, and its practical application.

"Hey Optimus! Welcome back to base! I hope your mission was successful; when did you get the elaborate black and teal paint job? And the red optics?"

It's right up there with Skynet churning out thousands of infiltrators that all look exactly like Arnold Schwartzenegger.



And really, within the context of Transformers, I guess maybe you don't have to look much like someone to be their body double.

Megaplex, "Come, and face your doom at the hands of Megatron!"

Autobot soldier, "Hey, you don't look anything like Megatron!"

Megaplex, "Megatron? I meant Galvatron. I got blown up again last week and this is my new, super powerful body."

Autobot soldier, "Primus help us! Megatron has a new body! He's invincible until the novelty wears off!!!"
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Henry921 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:28 am

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:lol:

Same as it ever was.

The Autobots will need a bruiser to match up with Megaplex. Maybe the at-show exclusive Voyager will be a leader type? Such as UM?
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