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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Mkall » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:24 pm

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SW's SilverHammer wrote:I knew condition and availability were factors, so thanks for clearing the "reuse" factor up :D. I won't lie, i wouldn't mind knowing what factors play into the availability for non-licensed figures, because hasbro has to put a cap on molds of certain age right?

My understanding is, either the mold is in use by Hasbro or Takara, or the mold has degraded/been damaged/been lost. That's why A/E/C molds are no longer used by The Club as, if you believe what The Club says, they have degraded beyond use.

HOWEVER, I should point out that the Classics Starscream mold was used, which was made in 2006, at the peak of Energon/Cybertron figures. If A/E/C molds can't be used, then why Starscream, who is of the same mold-age?

Oh the conspiracies.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:37 pm

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Mkall wrote:
HOWEVER, I should point out that the Classics Starscream mold was used, which was made in 2006, at the peak of Energon/Cybertron figures. If A/E/C molds can't be used, then why Starscream, who is of the same mold-age?

Oh the conspiracies.


Yeah that was one of the things i was thinking, that the Classics 06-07 should be near the same quality degradation as cybertron. Unless there's a loophole in that they can use reissues, like they aren't using mirage, they're using dragstrip or they're using acid storm and not 06 starscream. The only thing is i've heard Dragstrip and the subsequent seekers have suffered from degradation soooo i have no idea at this point :HEADHURTS:
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:50 pm

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The Classics Starscream mold has been updated time and again, whereas the UT molds haven't all gotten such treatment.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Henry921 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:49 pm

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Those BotCon 2013 galleries... why not include comparisons with the original Machine Wars figures, where applicable?

Hoist, Sandstorm, Mirage, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Starscream, and Megaplex side by side with their 1997 incarnations? Especially the former three, as the original toys no longer seem to have any reason to exist.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Mkall » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:03 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:The Classics Starscream mold has been updated time and again, whereas the UT molds haven't all gotten such treatment.

Maybe so, but I don't think the Mirage mold has been.

Besides, all we're really doing is throwing around speculation. Such speculation easily turns into so-called facts. Maybe Classics molds were just made from sterner stuff?

Then again, who cares? The rainmakers look awesome!
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:22 am

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Mkall wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The Classics Starscream mold has been updated time and again, whereas the UT molds haven't all gotten such treatment.

Maybe so, but I don't think the Mirage mold has been.

Besides, all we're really doing is throwing around speculation. Such speculation easily turns into so-called facts. Maybe Classics molds were just made from sterner stuff?
Maybe. Though, the Seeker mold's been used ans abused to death, whereas the Mirage mold hasn't, so it may not have worn out as much over time. Or, it might have been reinforced when it got used for Drag Strip in 2008. HasTak only knows. ;)

Either way, pre-2006 molds (minus odd cases like G1 reissues, the Platinum Edition TF: Energon molds, or TCC FSS Ultra Mammoth) seem to be too old to use nowadays.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Dead Metal » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:33 am

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Wait, didn't the club say back then that they weren't going to use Unicron trilogy stuff anymore since they used molds from that era so much that it got old and boring?
That the molds are detoriated was never brought up, it was more along the lines of yea we're sick of them.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Mindmaster » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:38 am

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Dead Metal wrote:Wait, didn't the club say back then that they weren't going to use Unicron trilogy stuff anymore since they used molds from that era so much that it got old and boring?
That the molds are detoriated was never brought up, it was more along the lines of yea we're sick of them.


I read that the molds were deteriorating, and were too damaged to use. Which is a shame: I really liked the use of the Unicron Trilogy molds.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Mkall » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:49 am

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Mindmaster wrote:
I read that the molds were deteriorating, and were too damaged to use. Which is a shame: I really liked the use of the Unicron Trilogy molds.

Indeed. They had some really fun figures that came out of those eras. I enjoy some even more than many of the newer Generations molds.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Dead Metal » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:56 am

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Mkall wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
I read that the molds were deteriorating, and were too damaged to use. Which is a shame: I really liked the use of the Unicron Trilogy molds.

Indeed. They had some really fun figures that came out of those eras. I enjoy some even more than many of the newer Generations molds.

Here's the question, how the hell did they manage to deteriorate? I mean most of them haven't been used that much, plus the production numbers on the UT weren't as high as current lines.
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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:13 am

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Well, here's the original message I got from Greg "M Sipher" Sepelak when I asked about which molds the Club wouldn't be able to use:

M Sipher wrote:I've been part of the group who's worked on the box sets and countless proposals thereof for several years now. I know from first-hand experience trying to put the sets together in the first place which groups are avoided, so we don't waste time pitching stuff that has a microscopic chance of happening.

On-screen movie stuff and a good chunk of non-screen Movie stuff is off-limits thanks to licensing concerns. UT molds are pretty much written off as unusable due to age and overuse (take a look at the Movie Breakaway made from Cybertron Hot Shot. That toy is ROUGH).

Believe me, nobody at FP is particularly keen on having LESS mold options, but that's the reality.


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Re: Botcon 2013 "Machine Wars: Termination" set revealed

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:18 am

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Dead Metal wrote:
Mkall wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
I read that the molds were deteriorating, and were too damaged to use. Which is a shame: I really liked the use of the Unicron Trilogy molds.

Indeed. They had some really fun figures that came out of those eras. I enjoy some even more than many of the newer Generations molds.

Here's the question, how the hell did they manage to deteriorate? I mean most of them haven't been used that much, plus the production numbers on the UT weren't as high as current lines.


Sometimes old age can do as much damage, depending on environmental factors. Some molds have shown signs of aging between years of single uses, like G1 Jazz for G2 or G2 Hero Prime for RiD Destructicon Scourge. Sometimes minor retools can make a mold deteriorate faster than normal I believe.

Still, I think FunPub made a conscious choice in not using the UT molds for the sake of variety, and not running the risk of breaking them during production (that actually happened with a G.I. Joe exclusive) though don't be surprised if they pop up again when the situation calls for it and there's no alternative. Look at the curveball that is 2013 Mirage.
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