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BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby LOST Cybertronian » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:09 pm

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Posted on the Official BotCon Facebook page, we get a look at the BotCon 2013 Rainmakers set. First reported here as a rumour, we now have confirmation that these rainmakers do use the classics Starscream mold.

  • Sunstorm
  • Bitstream
  • Hotlink

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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

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great thanks. now the only official sunstorm we get is going to be about 100 bucks for a 10 dollar toy. thanks for nothing ya pricks. :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Bumblevivisector » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:29 pm

Ah, so the REAL Rainmakers are orange, blue, and purple. Yes, I see. Wow, you can almost hear the prices of the CHMS Rainmakers going into free-fall.

I kid, of course I want these guys as bad as anyone else now! An official Sunstorm was long overdue, but does this constitute an official retcon that Sunny's supposed to be the fluorescent yellow guy in Divide and Conquer and not the darker yellow guy in MTMTE part 1? Or is there a new acid-rain attack in the comic?

I guess the two new names imply hacking ability...maybe they're actually Snow(den)-makers? Seriously, those names would make more sense if they were giving us MP Rumble/Frenzy repainted into generic cassettes from MTMTE, but whatever. As long HasTak keeps using this mold to give us more colors of the rainbow until it breaks...and then fixes it so they can do even more! Otherwise, the KO companies will lap you by knocking off these exact color schemes too. But I swear, I'll save up to splurge on the real deal this time. Just as soon as I get all the other stuff I can't afford this year.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:45 pm

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Bumblevivisector wrote:Ah, so the REAL Rainmakers are orange, blue, and purple. Yes, I see. Wow, you can almost hear the prices of the CHMS Rainmakers going into free-fall.

I kid, of course I want these guys as bad as anyone else now! An official Sunstorm was long overdue, but does this constitute an official retcon that Sunny's supposed to be the fluorescent yellow guy in Divide and Conquer and not the darker yellow guy in MTMTE part 1? Or is there a new acid-rain attack in the comic?


I'm guessing this set IS the three alternate colored seekers in MTMTE pt. 1. Why they are calling them the "Rainmakers", I have no idea. So, of the "real" Rainmakers from Divide and Conquer, we still only have one officially, Acid Storm.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Mindmaster » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:57 pm

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The names of the Rainmakers are finally revealed!

Bitstream and Hotlink, huh? Odd names for colors such as those.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Bumblevivisector » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:02 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Bumblevivisector wrote:Ah, so the REAL Rainmakers are orange, blue, and purple. Yes, I see. Wow, you can almost hear the prices of the CHMS Rainmakers going into free-fall.

I kid, of course I want these guys as bad as anyone else now! An official Sunstorm was long overdue, but does this constitute an official retcon that Sunny's supposed to be the fluorescent yellow guy in Divide and Conquer and not the darker yellow guy in MTMTE part 1? Or is there a new acid-rain attack in the comic?


I'm guessing this set IS the three alternate colored seekers in MTMTE pt. 1. Why they are calling them the "Rainmakers", I have no idea. So, of the "real" Rainmakers from Divide and Conquer, we still only have one officially, Acid Storm.

If that's true, then we still don't have an official name for the blue Rainmaker, since Bitstream would be the guy holding the one baby-blue gun next to Sunstorm and Flamethrower-warp. Fair enough, since it should be Ice- or SomethingElse-storm. This is still gonna' further confusion as to whether Sunstorm was the yellow Rainmaker all along, since the orange Dreamwave-era color scheme doesn't match him or the MTMTE guy.

And is Hotlink just one of the guys we've been calling "Air Warriors" for a decade, or was someone darker purple in the first episode? Been a little while since I watched it...so off to the TFWiki Seeker page!
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Gearslide » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:03 pm

The design of this set is absolutely brilliant!

    -The Colors are from the trio of seekers in More than Meets the Eye Part 1.
    -The names (sans Sunstorm) are from seekers from the Exodus book.
    -The name of the trio is from a separate group of seekers which you can remake visually by swapping out Hotlink for Acid Storm.
    -The set makes the CHMS rainmakers become redundant.

Now Slipstream is pretty much the only seeker who hasn't had a use of the Classics Seeker mold.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:05 pm

Looks good to me. Obviously they didn't think doing Acid Storm was necessary since we already got him. So they lumped in "generic purple Seeker". Now what we need is a 3rd party flamethrower pack to go with them!

Also, the prices for the CHMS KOs have already plummeted to earth.

Edit: They could easily just say Sunstorm and Bitstorm are also a part of the Rainmaker team with Hotlink just not appearing in that particular episode. Not really a problem.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Bumblevivisector » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:34 pm

Gearslide wrote:
    -The set makes the CHMS rainmakers become redundant.

    -Redundancy becomes abstract where troop-building is concerned.
    -The CHMS rainmakers and burnt-yellow Sunstorm still stand stubbornly corporeal, show-accurate, and in different color schemes than these guys.

Not attempting to do the three Divide and Conquer seekers in better likenesses than the illegal competition implies that, if anything, FunPub might be afraid of redundancy working the other way around. Well, except Acid Storm, who would've been an official redundancy, and was probably the real reason, as Gauntlet suggested. CHMS Acid Storm just cannot understand how that Universe guy is supposed to blind Autobots with that ugly camo job.

Oh well, even if this set immediately becomes impossible to find at any price, these three color schemes might just find their way to Carob Island sooner than we think...
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Mkall » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:38 pm

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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:49 pm

Bumblevivisector wrote:
Gearslide wrote:
    -The set makes the CHMS rainmakers become redundant.

    -Redundancy becomes abstract where troop-building is concerned.
    -The CHMS rainmakers and burnt-yellow Sunstorm still stand stubbornly corporeal, show-accurate, and in different color schemes than these guys.

Not attempting to do the three Divide and Conquer seekers in better likenesses than the illegal competition implies that, if anything, FunPub might be afraid of redundancy working the other way around. Well, except Acid Storm, who would've been an official redundancy, and was probably the real reason, as Gauntlet suggested. CHMS Acid Storm just cannot understand how that Universe guy is supposed to blind Autobots with that ugly camo job.

Oh well, even if this set immediately becomes impossible to find at any price, these three color schemes might just find their way to Carob Island sooner than we think...

I think you're right on all counts.

The market for more expensive Seekers that look more like the KOs must be pretty small. After all, why pay $100+ when you can get the same for under $30? Or if you already have them to begin with? Not everyone is so against KOs that they'll want to replace them with something that looks too similar. These look very different and still work.

Also agree with troop building. With the Seekers ANY color scheme is valid as a generic. If I had room for a dedicated Seeker display, I wouldn't toss out my CHMS KOs just because they're "redundant". Right now my display has both Acid Storm and his CHMS counterpart and both Sunstorms .... there's room for more.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Alpha Weltall » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:19 pm

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The more the merrier when it comes to classics Decepticons as there just seems to be more Autobots. I'd love to have these three standing right next to my CHMS Rainmakers, Sunstorm, Air Warrior, Black Death, gold/silver/black chrome seekers (if I had the money to buy those at the time)and yellow/silver Sunstorm (if CHMS wasn't out of him when I ordered) not to mention my hasbro seekers and Acidstorm (if I had him). I'd even keep that lesser quality pink seeker and the horrible quality orange Ramjet I have right next to them and if I had Botcon Dirge and Shattered Glass/G2/Action Masters Thundercracker and TFCC G2 Ramjet they'd all be there too. Yeah the mold really isn't that good anymore when compared to figures released at that same time and the ones released now but it's still a good mold overall. There's also something about having a part of a display where you have more than 20 of the same mold just in different colors that appeals to me.

As for who they're meant to represent, it looks like the MTMTE team. And as someone else pointed out, if you swap the purple one for Universe Acidstorm then you can have the Divide and Conquer team too. As for why the color/roster changes, there is a span of several million years between the two episodes so maybe one gets replaced or they change colors or it's two different teams entirely or who cares? Awesome is awesome.

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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby LOST Cybertronian » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:38 pm

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Prior to this, I was hoping for Sunstorm in the next subscription service offerings.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby T-Macksimus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:57 pm

I hate to say it but I immediately thought Cybertron Series Skywarp and Thundercracker and Starscreams true color when I saw these 3 lined up.
Recycling Sunstorm again was a huge mistake in my opinion and naming the other two in the manner they did, so far removed from their G1 counterpart Acid Storm, just utterly screws up the whole vibe and continuity of these characters. I'd have more respect for them if they had simply named them Moe, Larry and Curly. What they did here was a slap in the face of all the fans looking forward to this set. If I had had my heart set on purchasing this set and had my money put aside for this, I'd be pissed! Yeah, the figures look good. I'm a huge fan of the Classics Seeker mold but they really should have paid better attention to detail as far as the names go and should have thought ahead about how much they just devalued the Sunstorm figures that have come before. Giving 'Storm the Movie 'Bee treatment is a bad idea.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Mindmaster » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:05 pm

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T-Macksimus wrote:I hate to say it but I immediately thought Cybertron Series Skywarp and Thundercracker and Starscreams true color when I saw these 3 lined up.
Recycling Sunstorm again was a huge mistake in my opinion and naming the other two in the manner they did, so far removed from their G1 counterpart Acid Storm, just utterly screws up the whole vibe and continuity of these characters. I'd have more respect for them if they had simply named them Moe, Larry and Curly. What they did here was a slap in the face of all the fans looking forward to this set. If I had had my heart set on purchasing this set and had my money put aside for this, I'd be pissed! Yeah, the figures look good. I'm a huge fan of the Classics Seeker mold but they really should have paid better attention to detail as far as the names go and should have thought ahead about how much they just devalued the Sunstorm figures that have come before. Giving 'Storm the Movie 'Bee treatment is a bad idea.


Actually, Sunstorm appeared with Bitstream and Hotlink in Generation One's very first episode, "More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1", seen here.

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Acid Storm didn't appear until "Divide and Conquer".

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Sunstorm has only twelve toys since his first toy as an eHobby exclusive, and throughout other lines (Universe (2003), Animated, and Kre-O, to name a few) this BotCon exclusive included in the count. He is far from Movie Bumblebee Syndrome.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby gavinfuzzy » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:13 pm

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Actually, Sunstorm appeared with Bitstream and Hotlink in Generation One's very first episode, "More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1", seen here.

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Ah, after 24 years, that generic purple seeker gets a toy. :lol:

Also, the Classics starscream mold's not degraded yet?
What was the rumors about Classics (voyager) Prime's mold degrading, hence United Prime was Deluxe?
That rumor was probably debunked, since United saw Ultra Magnus.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

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Maybe Sunstorm, Bitstream, and Hotlink didn't do their usual "Rainmaker" thing in MTMTEp1 because there were other Decepticons in the field and on the ground who could be damaged by their acid rain? Maybe Acid Storm was sick that day, or is just off camera? I bet we'd see him if the Cybernet Space Cube had an HD widescreen aspect ratio back then. ;) The only thing that really bums me out is that Universe 2008 Acid Storm severely clashes with the decos of the rest of his alleged compatriots.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Mindmaster » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:15 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:Maybe Sunstorm, Bitstream, and Hotlink didn't do their usual "Rainmaker" thing in MTMTEp1 because there were other Decepticons in the field and on the ground who could be damaged by their acid rain? Maybe Acid Storm was sick that day, or is just off camera? I bet we'd see him if the Cybernet Space Cube had an HD widescreen aspect ratio back then. ;) The only thing that really bums me out is that Universe 2008 Acid Storm severely clashes with the decos of the rest of his alleged compatriots.


That, or the Rainmakers are a subdivision in the Seeker army, similar to Force Recon in the Marine Corps, SEALs in the Navy, and Rangers in the Army.

gavinfuzzy wrote:Ah, after 24 years, that generic purple seeker gets a toy. :lol:


*29 years. ;)

Also, the Classics starscream mold's not degraded yet?
What was the rumors about Classics (voyager) Prime's mold degrading, hence United Prime was Deluxe?
That rumor was probably debunked, since United saw Ultra Magnus.


I haven't heard those rumors. If they are true, guess we won't be seeing a reuse of said mold here in the States. :-(
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby gavinfuzzy » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:22 pm

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gavinfuzzy wrote:Ah, after 24 years, that generic purple seeker gets a toy. :lol:


*29 years. ;)


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gavinfuzzy wrote:Also, the Classics starscream mold's not degraded yet?
What was the rumors about Classics (voyager) Prime's mold degrading, hence United Prime was Deluxe?
That rumor was probably debunked, since United saw Ultra Magnus.


I haven't heard those rumors. If they are true, guess we won't be seeing a reuse of said mold here in the States. :-(



Also, these dudes are supposedly NOT rainmakers.
And, hasbro supposedly claimed that Sunstorm was NOT the yellow Rainmaker
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

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gavinfuzzy wrote:Also, these dudes are supposedly NOT rainmakers.
And, hasbro supposedly claimed that Sunstorm was NOT the yellow Rainmaker
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Rainmakers


But if these are not Rainmakers, then why are they called "Rainmakers" here? :???: Not getting on your case, it's a genuine question.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

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There is still a rather big misunderstanding when fans talk of "mold degredation." Yes, a mold will degrade and eventually break after so many uses, but new ones can be made again and again. Everything is designed on computer now, so the original data is seldom lost. The question of if a mold gets remade as more to do with if the price of recasting the mold will be offset by the sale of the new product. If not, it may not be done. In the case of the Classics Seeker mold(s), they get used so extensively that Hasbro/Takara are almost sure to make their money back and then some each time they recast a new mold to produce more product.
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

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gavinfuzzy wrote:Also, these dudes are supposedly NOT rainmakers.
And, hasbro supposedly claimed that Sunstorm was NOT the yellow Rainmaker
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Rainmakers


But if these are not Rainmakers, then why are they called "Rainmakers" here? :???: Not getting on your case, it's a genuine question.


No idea too. Click that wiki article. Few years ago, Hasbro said Sunstorm is not a rainmaker.

Now they go back on their word?

Or maybe they just did not know what to call this group of not-seekers.

Rainmakers is sort of generic enough it fits.

But when i say rainmakers I mean the 3 bright coloured dudes from "Divide and Conquer".
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby Bullycon » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:28 pm

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BotCon tweeted this earlier today: Lets talk the "Rainmakers"... Please consider the term for the Troop Builder set to be a little more generic for this offering.

What I take from that is that none of these guys are actually Rainmakers. Maybe they are just using the name for trademark purposes?
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Re: BotCon 2013 Rainmakers Set Revealed: Sunstorm, Bitstream and Hotlink

Postby gavinfuzzy » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:29 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:There is still a rather big misunderstanding when fans talk of "mold degredation." Yes, a mold will degrade and eventually break after so many uses, but new ones can be made again and again. Everything is designed on computer now, so the original data is seldom lost. The question of if a mold gets remade as more to do with if the price of recasting the mold will be offset by the sale of the new product. If not, it may not be done. In the case of the Classics Seeker mold(s), they get used so extensively that Hasbro/Takara are almost sure to make their money back and then some each time they recast a new mold to produce more product.


Well i guess that means we'll see another 3 billion Starscream repaints. :D
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