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Henry921 wrote:The Club also mentioned their intent to upgrade some "Basic" scale figures up to a "Voyager" scale.

Where was this mentioned? Not sure if they would be able to do that.

3. Will you be using any of the existing 12 Machine Wars characters as one of the BotCon 2013 set or show exclusives or will you be expanding the Machine Wars character roster beyond the original 12?

Pete Sinclair wrote:This "Series 2" is not just a redux. Yes, there will be homage's to the original toys. But we take it a step further. Some characters will have NEW features/characteristics. Some that were basics will now be in a more appropriate voyager form. And yes, we have also added NEW characters to the Machine Wars line up. Ones that totally fit the MACHINE WARS concept i.e. these are WAR MACHINES!

Long story short, we approached this years offering as a true second series of Machine Wars toys.


From this article: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... air/26324/


War machines...

...Roadbuster? He could use a decent new mold.

FunPub also said no Unicron Trilogy molds (that includes Armada, Energon and Cybertron), and Movie molds that appeared in the movie and/or are licensed vehicles are hands-off.

I have a feeling HftD Hailstorm/RtS Mindset will be used for a new character, I'm calling that one, next to Movie Longarm! Now that I'm thinking about it, RtS Lugnut still has an unused alternate head they could use... *hint hint*

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:FunPub also said no Unicron Trilogy molds (that includes Armada, Energon and Cybertron), and Movie molds that appeared in the movie and/or are licensed vehicles are hands-off.

I have a feeling HftD Hailstorm/RtS Mindset will be used for a new character, I'm calling that one, next to Movie Longarm! Now that I'm thinking about it, RtS Lugnut still has an unused alternate head they could use... *hint hint*

Yeah, I totally forgot the 2010 Transformers line

Well, if Unicron Trilogy molds are off limits that throws off our guesses of Cybertron Defense Red Alert and Energon Starscream, meaning we need new picks for Soundwave and the Seekers.

And the 2010 Transformers line gives us answers!

Soundwave: TF2010 Perceptor (in the category, "anybody with a prominent shoulder cannon")

Seekers: TF2010 Terradive/DOTM Space Case (already being used by the club to make Depth Charge)

Sandstorm: TF2010 Tomahawk (though I'd rather have Skyhammer, I suspect a downscale to deluxe is more likely, given how few of these exclusives can afford to be Voyager scale)


Also, Mindmaster... Starscream represented by Skystalker? And you complain about movie Starscream having chicken legs?

Henry921 wrote:Also, Mindmaster... Starscream represented by Skystalker? And you complain about movie Starscream having chicken legs?

What? The Skystalker mold doesn't have chicken legs.



And honestly, I ought to kick myself for never getting this or Mindwipe.

I'm surprised no one's thought of the 2010 Terradive yet. With a new head it could make a decent Megatron/Megaplex.

Mkall wrote:I'm surprised no one's thought of the 2010 Terradive yet. With a new head it could make a decent Megatron/Megaplex.

Honestly.... he never came to mind. Not sure why.

Mindmaster wrote:Honestly.... he never came to mind. Not sure why.

Honestly I too had forgot about him until I saw him on my shelves. I guess he's a non-character from a tertiary line. It's an awesome figure though.

Mkall wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Honestly.... he never came to mind. Not sure why.

Honestly I too had forgot about him until I saw him on my shelves. I guess he's a non-character from a tertiary line. It's an awesome figure though.

I would have picked him up... if he had ever showed up in my town.

Mindmaster wrote:

Mkall wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Honestly.... he never came to mind. Not sure why.

Honestly I too had forgot about him until I saw him on my shelves. I guess he's a non-character from a tertiary line. It's an awesome figure though.

I would have picked him up... if he had ever showed up in my town.

I wanted Space Case so badly, but it was right when I started collecting that he was out and by the time I knew he existed he was gone, gone, gone.

I think no one thought of the space case/t'dive mold because he is the club figure (Depthcharge) but this wouldn't be the first time they reused a club mold in a botcon set!

ausbot wrote:I think no one thought off the space case/t'dive mold because he is the club figure (Depthcharge)

Not exactly it, but.... okay.

It didn't come to mind because it didn't come to mind. That's my reason.

Actually, if there are only so many new head molds allowed, wouldn't Starscream be a Terradive repaint? The head is in line with Machine Wars Starscream.

datguy86 wrote:Actually, if there are only so many new head molds allowed, wouldn't Starscream be a Terradive repaint? The head is in line with Machine Wars Starscream.

Yes, I could see that, with a fairly minor retool. I suggested Terradive before but wasn't confident about its usage because of the trident weapon. But then, the mold is being used by the Club already...

Keeping the possibility of G2 Electro in mind (I'm obsessed, I know), I looked through the G2 character roster, and found another possible match:

G1/G2 Ironfist: RotF Brawn.

Possible souvenir, who's with me?

Bets in now: who's the last figure in the box set and the attendee figure?

We have three Autobots and one Decepticon, so more than likely the next one(s) will be Decepticon-allied. Going with either Starscream, Soundwave, or Megatron/Megaplex. Anyone concur?

Mindmaster wrote:We have three Autobots and one Decepticon,

Don't ever recall Obsidian being confirmed as an Autobot. For all we know, Strika and Obsidian could be rivals in Machine Wars.

We can't even see an Autobot insignia on his BotCon reveal.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:We have three Autobots and one Decepticon,

Don't ever recall Obsidian being confirmed as an Autobot. For all we know, Strika and Obsidian could be rivals in Machine Wars.

We can't even see an Autobot insignia on his BotCon reveal.

That's right, forgot they haven't said anything about his allegiance. But, I have to agree with JelZe by calling out his post in Strika's thread: the pair's main objective was to protect Cybertron, and it appears siding with the Autobots was the choice that appealed to them.

As it currently stands, we have 3 Deluxes and a Voyager. Looking at past sets we still have room for another Voyager or maybe we could even squeeze in a Universe Ultra:

2012: 5 Deluxes, 1 Voyager
2011: 4 Deluxes, 1 Voyager
2010: 3 Deluxes, 1 Voyager, 1 Ultra
2009: 3 Deluxes, 1 Voyager, 1 Ultra
2008: 1 Mini-Con, 3 Deluxes, 2 Voyagers

I wouldn't exclude the possibility of another Deluxe though, but anything goes.

Once again, here are mine:

- Universe Silverbolt as Starscream because of the overall profile
- DotM Skyhammer as Whirl, even if chances to that are slim
- RotF Brawn as Fisitron/Ironfist

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:As it currently stands, we have 3 Deluxes and a Voyager. Looking at past sets we still have room for another Voyager or maybe we could even squeeze in a Universe Ultra:

2012: 5 Deluxes, 1 Voyager
2011: 4 Deluxes, 1 Voyager
2010: 3 Deluxes, 1 Voyager, 1 Ultra
2009: 3 Deluxes, 1 Voyager, 1 Ultra
2008: 1 Mini-Con, 3 Deluxes, 2 Voyagers

I wouldn't exclude the possibility of another Deluxe though, but anything goes.

Look at the trend, though: each year, more Deluxes and fewer larger figures. I think it's optimistic to expect a second Voyager.

GuyIncognito wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:As it currently stands, we have 3 Deluxes and a Voyager. Looking at past sets we still have room for another Voyager or maybe we could even squeeze in a Universe Ultra:

2012: 5 Deluxes, 1 Voyager
2011: 4 Deluxes, 1 Voyager
2010: 3 Deluxes, 1 Voyager, 1 Ultra
2009: 3 Deluxes, 1 Voyager, 1 Ultra
2008: 1 Mini-Con, 3 Deluxes, 2 Voyagers

I wouldn't exclude the possibility of another Deluxe though, but anything goes.

Look at the trend, though: each year, more Deluxes and fewer larger figures. I think it's optimistic to expect a second Voyager.

True, but when was the last time we've seen an Ultra in retail? For that matter, weren't Voyager line-ups a tad larger in past lines? I'm just saying it's possible due to total size, nothing more.

Well... we still have the attendee figure to speculate about... right?

Mindmaster wrote:Well... we still have the attendee figure to speculate about... right?

Not to mention the Souvenir Sets. FunPub, if you make a Troop Builder set of Thundercracker clones, that's the one time I'm gonna say RUINED FOREVER!!! Make him the Attendee figure instead.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Well... we still have the attendee figure to speculate about... right?

Not to mention the Souvenir Sets. FunPub, if you make a Troop Builder set of Thundercracker clones, that's the one time I'm gonna say RUINED FOREVER!!! Make him the Attendee figure instead.

I believe Pete said that Classicverse collectors would love the troopbuilder set, so we shall see.

Mkall wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Well... we still have the attendee figure to speculate about... right?

Not to mention the Souvenir Sets. FunPub, if you make a Troop Builder set of Thundercracker clones, that's the one time I'm gonna say RUINED FOREVER!!! Make him the Attendee figure instead.

I believe Pete said that Classicverse collectors would love the troopbuilder set, so we shall see.

Hm, we already had Sweeps and Junkions... Paradron Medics? With Arcee as a retool of Blurr? G1 Arcee did look like G1 Blurr with wheels...