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News Credits: 317 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:04 pm

megatronus wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
megatronus wrote:
T-Macksimus wrote:Half a dozen 3rd party companies have done FAR better than the #1 toy company in the entire Northern Hemisphere...

In addition to Burn's burn, I should point out that Hasbro is the #3 toy company, behind Mattel and, as of this year, LEGO.

How did Mattel get up there? Besides Barbie what do they have?

Off the top of my head?

Hot Wheels, Matchbox, MOTU, DC Figures License, WWE, Disney Figures License, American Girl, Monster High...

They're #1. I hate to admit it, since I really only collect Transformers, Marvel Legends & Star Wars (in that order), but they are.

I'm surprised. I didn't count their DTC lines and that the DC stuff wasn't moving and Barbie is in a slump. Ah well

News Credits: 25 · by **SW's SilverHammer** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:07 pm

It Is Him wrote:As a big fan of FOC Bruticus, I'm excited about more combiners. We've got 16 deluxes for 2015. Who wants to take a stab at Case layout?

X5 for Superion
X6 for Devastator
X5 for Defensor or Menasor

Or

X4 Superion limbs
X12 other scramble city type limbs
And voyagers like Silverbolt to give the torso some bulk

I'll take some of that action:
So for these past few major arcs in IDW, there've been three important combiners, Devastator, Superion, and Monstructor. Now the likely hood of the latter very slim, but possible. With that in mind, The figure count for each could Be:

5-6 Deluxes For Devastator, or alternatively, 1 Scramble city Voyager and 4 deluxes to make IDW Devastator, because you know Scrapper died. Now It's unlikely that there will be a prowl Headmaster, so the Voyager, or deluxe, constructicon would likely contain the head.

Superion would be dead simple, 5 Deluxes, or 1 scramble city Voyager and 4 deluxes.

Monstructer's pretty unlikely, though the possibility for him could be 5-6 deluxes, or one Scramble city voyager, 4 deluxes, with one of the Pretender Monsters being cut

With the all deluxe, the number of figures would be 15-16, out of 16. However if there was a return to scramble city format, there would be 12 of the 16 combiner deluxes, and 3 scramble leader voyagers.

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:26 pm

I'm rather taken aback by the amount of indifference to outright negative reaction to most of these toys. I'm liking every one of them, except the new Optimus Prime figure, but I'll withhold judgment until we've seen more. Yes, a lot of third party options exist already, but they'll never be official Transformers toys. If having TheRealEffingDeal matters to you, these are incredible offerings from Hasbro and Takara-Tomy, especially considering that they have to make actual TOYS that must meet multiple safety and consumer standards, not unregulated collectors' pieces.

News Credits: 317 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:39 pm

I'm still trying not to get too excited since we won't see most of these figures until next year if not later. For those wondering the Legends figures are probably gang molded so while it's easy to swap Primes TM for Bumblebees to give Nemesis Prime Flanker would require pressing the entire Swereve/Flanker set.

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:49 pm

Do we have an ETA on the Platinum Edition AoE Autobots set? I don't recall seeing the release date mentioned anywhere yet. It would be nice if these came out sooner rather than later, but I could see it being something held off to coincide with the eventual home release of the new movie.

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:01 am

Were you not at BotCon this past weekend, but still would like some of the exclusives? The Transformers Collectors' Club has your back: try checking out their page for all remaining items! And make sure to check out the Seibertron.com galleries to help you decide, right here.

Hello Everyone!

In case you were not able to attend BotCon this year, the few remaining souvenir sets are now online in the club store. Get them before they are all gone! The boxed and loose set were a sell out.

Thanks for your support!

Brian

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:18 am

Tying up some remaining loose ends, we have some further bits of BotCon 2014 coverage, and it's time to stroll down memory lane, right turn before the Iacon exit, at the Generation 1 panel - thanks to Seibertron.com board member Delicon. Read on below!

Hey guys, this is Delicon from the boards. Here is my summary of the G1 Retro panel, which focused on the original cartoons made by Sunbow.

The panelists were Jack Angel (Ultra Magnus, Astrotrain, Smokescreen, Ramjet, Breakdown and more), Hal Rayle (Shrapnel, Pipes, Slag, etc), Michael McConnohie (Tracks and Cosmos from G1 and Hotshot and Ironhide from RID) and Samantha Newark (Ariel from G1 and Jem from Jem and the Holograms.) Susan Blu and Morgan Lofting did not attend.

There was little intro and questions were taken from the start. Here are a few highlights.

As expected, each actor did a voice or two during the panel. At one point Samantha Newark said "Hi, I'm Jem...and these are not my Holograms!" Hal Rayle did his Shrapnel voice and did the famous echo effect. For reasons unexplained, Jack Angel even did some Grimlock (a character he did not originally voice.)

The actors were asked about their work on other shows. Michael McConnohie mentioned accidentally punching Roscoe Lee Browne while trying to deliver a line for the Visionaries series.

They talked about how fun the ensemble style recording sessions were. Wally Burr's unique directing style was discussed as was Frank Welker's tendency to play practical jokes with his voice. Welker loved to imitate sounds such as sliding doors and white noise and fooled Wally with those sometimes.

Casey Kasem was brought up. Jack Angel spoke of their many years they worked together on shows, including Super Friends. Hal Rayle mentioned how his wife (then around 30) told Casey she had loved him since she was a little girl to which Casey responded "Well, you're not a little girl now!"

Jack Angel said he had actually played Jem's father on Jem and the Holograms and joked about being Samantha's dad. He also told a story about how he at one point had been #4 on the list of actors with the most $100 million grossing films but had since been passed by Samuel L Jackson. Jackson had mentioned to Howard Stern that Angel and Welker (#1) weren't "real actors" to which Angel responded with challenging Jackson to get in the studio with him and Welker.

Michael McConnohie said that Cosmos had his voiced loosely based on horror icon Peter Laurie but that he was told to sound like "a very bad Peter Laurie."

The highlight of the panel was a fan who brought up original audition casting sheets (for Angel, Rayle and McConnohie) that he had purchased in an auction from Wally Burr. We learned that on the sketch sheet for Cosmos that there was a rocket instead of a flying saucer. Each actor read lines as their characters from the sheets - Jack Angel as Ramjet, McConnohie as Tracks and Rayle as Pipes and Shrapnel. It was revealed that Wally had crossed out some of the writer's dialogue and come up with his own lines.

Overall it was a very fun panel. All the speakers seemed to really enjoy themselves and interacted nicely with the fans. Other than the script reading, it was probably the lightest and fastest moving panel at BotCon 2014.

News Credits: 1 · by **leakin' lubricant** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:23 am

noctorro wrote:
leakin' lubricant wrote:
El Duque wrote:Wow, all in all I'm very disappointed by almost everything they revealed.

I don't collect Legends unless scale dictates the characters should be a Legends Class, so I have no interest in that Nemesis Prime, not to mention I'm kinda done with Nemesis Prime in general.

Legends Cliffjumer - Already have a Deluxe with third-party upgrades

Legends Thundercracker - again the scale issue, plus I just got iGear's new Raptor version, which is stupidly amazing.

Legends Windcharger - This one blows my mind. I already have a really good Scout Class Windcharger so that alone means I don't need this guy, but why the Hell not announce a Tailgate redeco of the previously released Scout Windcharger. We're actually going backwards here.

Legends Powerglide - This guy looks good, but I already have the Deluxe sized on from Xtransbots and it's pretty damn good. iGear also has plans to release a Powerglide in the Mini Warrrior line. Still, I might get this guy.

Legends Bombshell - Looks pretty good, but it's not going to replace my FansProject version.

Deluxe Arcee - Looks good, but really late to the party. I currently have iGear's Delicate Warrior, and really like her. Not to mention Perfect Effect has a really good Arcee, and MMC is apparently going to release a whole series of Fembots that look really nice. I may get her just because this will be Hasbro's first attempt at real G1-ish Arcee.

Deluce Chomia - Looks interesting, even though she appears to be an extensive remold of the PRID Arcee mold. Will probably get her.

Voyager Brainstorm - Look really good, but again late to the party. I already have two version of this character, FansProject and Toyworld. I'll probably get him, but if he does't surpass the ToyWorld version once I have him in-hand he'll get sold. Though I do hold out hope, after all, the Hasbro Springer replaced my FansProject Defender.

Voyager Optimus Prime - No, Hell no. Looks terrible, looks worse that the Classics Voyager that came out years ago. Neither of which hold a candle to ToyWorld Orion.

Leader Megatron - Pass. Looks okay at best, but won't scale with my Classics and not as good as ToyWorld Hegemon.

Leader Armada Megatron - This actually works, but I don't need a Generations Armada Megatron. Great for Armada fans though.

Subscription Service 3.0 - Not one of those do I want, not signing up this year.

AOE Stuff - No longer collecting movie universe stuff. In fact selling everything I've got.

Now I'm sure many of you will read this and say, "Oh, he's just one of those third-party superiority complex people." Not the case, I want Hasbro to make things I want. I want to pay Hasbro prices, rather than third-party price. But they have got to start being more proactive. Everything they showed was reactive. Case in point: They teased a Superion Generations combiner. Sorry, but I already have one from TFC, and despite it's flaws will likely be better than their version. A smarter move would have been to have teased a Generations Defensor. It would damage TFC's sales and pre-orders.

However, I do concede that these are great reveals for those not collecting third-party. For me personally though, boring.

I'm with you mate, every one of those Generations figures has a highly superior 3rd party version out or coming out, Hasbro had the chance to do something special here and blow it's 3rd party rivals out of the water, instead the took the quick and easy route, not good enough Hasbro.

Matter of opion.

I for one love the new figures and I had Delicate Warrior and Hegemon.
Do remember that these figures aren't going to cost 100 dollars a pop.

Not all 3rd party figures cost $100, OK the two you have mentioned do but many figures cost around the $60 mark, answer me this if you still had Hegemon would you be buying Leader class Megatron? Also it's not just that 3rd party stuff looks better than these figures, designs from the first run of Classics look better than these do and that was 7 years ago. Bottom line is most people will not buy Optimus because the either have Classics/Henkei Prime or Orion and most people will not buy Megatron because they have Henkei/United Megs or Hegemon.

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News Credits: 112 · by **megatronus** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:37 am

I'm torn. I kind of want some of these exclusives (Shockaract, Pounce/Wingspan, & Flareup), but want to wait for an actual sale if I'm forced to buy the pirate/knights as packs. Also, I feel pretty iffy about spending $100+ shipped on clones that are retools of one another to begin with, and have identical paint apps.

Do people think these will actually sell out?

When the limit is "10 per membership" it kind of makes me think they have a lot left.

by **Rated X** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:31 am

I caved in and bought the 2 pack set just to get shockaract. Comepared to scalper prices, its like im getting the grimstone figure as a free bonus. I like that TFCC has these things left over, its a scalpers worst nightmare. Die slow scalpers ! :lol:

by **1984forever** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:48 am

I love the stories about G1. This reminds me of the time I met Joe Bacal by pure chance. Back in November 2010 Joe needed some work done in his Penthouse in Manhattan. It didn't really click who he was until I saw the 2 Sunbow folders on his desk. When I asked him about it, Joe regaled me with stories about the voice actors for over an hour!

News Credits: 2 · by **xyl360** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:07 am

BigBadToyStore is doing a 'Botcon 2014' sale with some deals on a ton of figures, including 3rd party stuff, Takara Masterpiece figures and last year's Botcon sets. I just scored the entire loose set of Botcon 2013 figures for $200+$1.90 shipping

!

I'd been wanting that set just to have Strika and Obsidian since the set came out but could never find those figures individually for less than what the entire set seemed to cost (or close to it) and the entire set never dropped below $300 or so. I just grabbed the entire thing for what I'd reasonably pay for just those 2 figures

.

The sale ends tonight so check it out here before it's over.

by **noctorro** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:26 am

leakin' lubricant wrote:
noctorro wrote:
leakin' lubricant wrote:
El Duque wrote:Wow, all in all I'm very disappointed by almost everything they revealed.

Matter of opion.

I for one love the new figures and I had Delicate Warrior and Hegemon.
Do remember that these figures aren't going to cost 100 dollars a pop.

Not all 3rd party figures cost $100, OK the two you have mentioned do but many figures cost around the $60 mark, answer me this if you still had Hegemon would you be buying Leader class Megatron? Also it's not just that 3rd party stuff looks better than these figures, designs from the first run of Classics look better than these do and that was 7 years ago. Bottom line is most people will not buy Optimus because the either have Classics/Henkei Prime or Orion and most people will not buy Megatron because they have Henkei/United Megs or Hegemon.

If I still had Hegemon I'd sell him for the New Megatron. I actually had Classics Megatron, replaced him with Henkei Megatron, Replaced him with Hegemon but somehow he didn't feel right so I replaced him with United Megatron (yes, I have a hole in my hand when it comes to action figures).

I have Classics Optimus but I think he looks to Gundam-ish. I love my G2 Hero Optimus, because of his wide chest and blockyness, Very g1-ish. Also love my MP10. That's why I'm also a big fan of this new Optimus Prime.

I agree with people who don't buy the new Prime/Megz because they already have a Classics version. Hell I even have the deluxe repaints of Megatron and Optimus from that classics line.
Still I was waiting for a more G1-ish robot mode for both and these are it.

Now that I read it back, maybe I kind of have a strange taste as a TF fan. I just love the G1 cartoon and their appearances there.
And somehow I just can't seem to get to really like third party stuff, maybe because it's not official Transformers, or because of the big price tag. I only have one third party set left and that's Hercules, and he's a keeper for the figures are sturdy, great design and have that energon-cybertron vibe and fit in well with the other figures.

News Credits: 16 · by **It Is Him** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:34 am

SW's SilverHammer wrote:
It Is Him wrote:As a big fan of FOC Bruticus, I'm excited about more combiners. We've got 16 deluxes for 2015. Who wants to take a stab at Case layout?

X5 for Superion
X6 for Devastator
X5 for Defensor or Menasor

Or

X4 Superion limbs
X12 other scramble city type limbs
And voyagers like Silverbolt to give the torso some bulk

I'll take some of that action:
So for these past few major arcs in IDW, there've been three important combiners, Devastator, Superion, and Monstructor. Now the likely hood of the latter very slim, but possible. With that in mind, The figure count for each could Be:

5-6 Deluxes For Devastator, or alternatively, 1 Scramble city Voyager and 4 deluxes to make IDW Devastator, because you know Scrapper died. Now It's unlikely that there will be a prowl Headmaster, so the Voyager, or deluxe, constructicon would likely contain the head.

Superion would be dead simple, 5 Deluxes, or 1 scramble city Voyager and 4 deluxes.

Monstructer's pretty unlikely, though the possibility for him could be 5-6 deluxes, or one Scramble city voyager, 4 deluxes, with one of the Pretender Monsters being cut

With the all deluxe, the number of figures would be 15-16, out of 16. However if there was a return to scramble city format, there would be 12 of the 16 combiner deluxes, and 3 scramble leader voyagers.

See, I was actually thinking Monstructor, too! I just thought that might be less likely than Devastator and the original 4 scramble city combiners. But with Hasbro trying monsters and animals again, any things possible.

If Devastator had anything less than six units, fans would riot.

I'm hedging toward FOC Bruticus format, where everyone is the same height, but then again, we've got a new group of designers, who so its anyone's guess until we know more.

News Credits: 1 · by **leakin' lubricant** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:49 am

noctorro wrote:
leakin' lubricant wrote:
noctorro wrote:
leakin' lubricant wrote:
El Duque wrote:Wow, all in all I'm very disappointed by almost everything they revealed.

Matter of opion.

I for one love the new figures and I had Delicate Warrior and Hegemon.
Do remember that these figures aren't going to cost 100 dollars a pop.

Not all 3rd party figures cost $100, OK the two you have mentioned do but many figures cost around the $60 mark, answer me this if you still had Hegemon would you be buying Leader class Megatron? Also it's not just that 3rd party stuff looks better than these figures, designs from the first run of Classics look better than these do and that was 7 years ago. Bottom line is most people will not buy Optimus because the either have Classics/Henkei Prime or Orion and most people will not buy Megatron because they have Henkei/United Megs or Hegemon.

If I still had Hegemon I'd sell him for the New Megatron. I actually had Classics Megatron, replaced him with Henkei Megatron, Replaced him with Hegemon but somehow he didn't feel right so I replaced him with United Megatron (yes, I have a hole in my hand when it comes to action figures).

I have Classics Optimus but I think he looks to Gundam-ish. I love my G2 Hero Optimus, because of his wide chest and blockyness, Very g1-ish. Also love my MP10. That's why I'm also a big fan of this new Optimus Prime.

I agree with people who don't buy the new Prime/Megz because they already have a Classics version. Hell I even have the deluxe repaints of Megatron and Optimus from that classics line.
Still I was waiting for a more G1-ish robot mode for both and these are it.

Now that I read it back, maybe I kind of have a strange taste as a TF fan. I just love the G1 cartoon and their appearances there.
And somehow I just can't seem to get to really like third party stuff, maybe because it's not official Transformers, or because of the big price tag. I only have one third party set left and that's Hercules, and he's a keeper for the figures are sturdy, great design and have that energon-cybertron vibe and fit in well with the other figures.

Fair enough, but I will say this you kinda doing yourself a disservice, soo much G1 inspired goodness in the 3rd party market. Much more than there is here.

by **noctorro** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:03 am

I agree, was very tempted with the not-Stunticons, Motormaster's awsome

At the moment, Hasbro/Takara is producing more then enough TF's that I can afford.
I also collect movie stuff, Dinobot SDCC set, moar temptation,

News Credits: 103 · by **Cyber Bishop** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:34 am

I for one am happy with what Hasbro produced (not interested in Nemesis, cracker, windcharger) because for instance I don't have a hegemon or a valkarie (Sorry folks, have a family and bills come before $90+ transformers) and paying $60 for a TF is not always in my budget so Ill take what Hasbro sends out because it is alot more affordable.
Sure 3rd party companies put out a good powerglide (Got him for Christmas a couple years back) and Brainstorm (Got smart robin for an anniversary present however he does not have the correct face plate). I will still pick up a majority of the newly announced figures.

News Credits: 1 · by **leakin' lubricant** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:39 am

noctorro wrote:I agree, was very tempted with the not-Stunticons, Motormaster's awsome
At the moment, Hasbro/Takara is producing more then enough TF's that I can afford.
I also collect movie stuff, Dinobot SDCC set, moar temptation,

Yeah those Stunticons are something else aren't they, shame their so expensive, I must say dispite my rant, arcee is looking pretty fine, Bombshell looks worth a buy too.

News Credits: 3 · by **Optimizzy** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:09 am

" The first Megatron is slavishly Generation One,"

Why is it "slavishly"? That sounds like unnecessarily obsessive and NOT what fans want. Why not "lovingly?" I see the term "slavishly" applied to any thing that's g1 lately and I don't think the writers pick up on the possible negative connotations.

I don't know about you, but it's about time a domestic released g1 Megatron actually looked like him.

by **Wh33l Jck** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:18 am

I just hope leader Meg's is mp 10 size. I'll gladly use it as a stand in. I doubt an official mp Meg's is comin anytime soon.

I didn't like foc Bruticus, but a Superion or Devastator is tempting.

News Credits: 4496 · by **william-james88** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:35 am

Cyber Bishop wrote:I for one am happy with what Hasbro produced (not interested in Nemesis, cracker, windcharger) because for instance I don't have a hegemon or a valkarie (Sorry folks, have a family and bills come before $90+ transformers) and paying $60 for a TF is not always in my budget so Ill take what Hasbro sends out because it is alot more affordable.

I completely agree and not only that we now have some affordable G1 looking toys but these are the transformers from the actual transformers company. That means the world to me.

I find these figures pretty cool but for the life of me I do not understand that Optimus.Where is he coming from? We all needed a big ass G1 looking Megs at an affordable price point, so I get his release (and I am happy for it) but that Optimus does not seem to follow that same logic.

Firstly, the scale is weird. Is he a voyager to be able to scale well with Megatron? A leader class figure would not scale well then?

And he does not seem G1 to me, in either mode. Too broad in robot mode,as opposed to the classics mold and Evasion Mode Prime has a much better G1 alt mode (and is also a voyager).

All to say that while I understand that the Megs is a great option for some (like me) I do not see how a voyager class Optimus with a non G1 alt mode would help for anyone's collection.

I actually think he is an homage to Cybertron (galaxy force) Optimus because that fat and long truck cab reminds me a lot of this one:

http://tilallaremine.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/optimus-cybertron-alt.jpg?w=812

Also, someone was talking about transformations being too simple in these homages but that makes absolutely no sense since there is no way this Armada Megatron can be a less complex toy than the original. I have nothing against the original and I still have him, but complexity was not one of that toy's strong suits. Oh and galaxy force optimus was a walk in the park as well.

And what's up with the hate for Windblade? She looks fine to me.

News Credits: 3 · by **Midnight_Fox** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:23 am

leakin' lubricant wrote:
noctorro wrote:
leakin' lubricant wrote:
noctorro wrote:
leakin' lubricant wrote:
El Duque wrote:Wow, all in all I'm very disappointed by almost everything they revealed.

Matter of opion.

I for one love the new figures and I had Delicate Warrior and Hegemon.
Do remember that these figures aren't going to cost 100 dollars a pop.

Not all 3rd party figures cost $100, OK the two you have mentioned do but many figures cost around the $60 mark, answer me this if you still had Hegemon would you be buying Leader class Megatron? Also it's not just that 3rd party stuff looks better than these figures, designs from the first run of Classics look better than these do and that was 7 years ago. Bottom line is most people will not buy Optimus because the either have Classics/Henkei Prime or Orion and most people will not buy Megatron because they have Henkei/United Megs or Hegemon.

If I still had Hegemon I'd sell him for the New Megatron. I actually had Classics Megatron, replaced him with Henkei Megatron, Replaced him with Hegemon but somehow he didn't feel right so I replaced him with United Megatron (yes, I have a hole in my hand when it comes to action figures).

I have Classics Optimus but I think he looks to Gundam-ish. I love my G2 Hero Optimus, because of his wide chest and blockyness, Very g1-ish. Also love my MP10. That's why I'm also a big fan of this new Optimus Prime.

I agree with people who don't buy the new Prime/Megz because they already have a Classics version. Hell I even have the deluxe repaints of Megatron and Optimus from that classics line.
Still I was waiting for a more G1-ish robot mode for both and these are it.

Now that I read it back, maybe I kind of have a strange taste as a TF fan. I just love the G1 cartoon and their appearances there.
And somehow I just can't seem to get to really like third party stuff, maybe because it's not official Transformers, or because of the big price tag. I only have one third party set left and that's Hercules, and he's a keeper for the figures are sturdy, great design and have that energon-cybertron vibe and fit in well with the other figures.

Fair enough, but I will say this you kinda doing yourself a disservice, soo much G1 inspired goodness in the 3rd party market. Much more than there is here.

To each their own, really. I DO collect 3rd party, but for me, Hasbro's Arcee and United Megatron beat out every option I've seen. Delicate Warrior and Hegemon really do nothing for me aesthetically. I find Delicate Warrior blobby and Hegemon just doesn't fit what I want in my collection(too large, ugly figure, IMO).

News Credits: 125 · by **Counterpunch** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:40 am

Midnight_Fox wrote: Hegemon just doesn't fit what I want in my collection(too large, ugly figure, IMO).

All is fair in opinions I suppose but what exactly is ugly about a near perfect G1 interpretation of Megatron?

Complain about his transformation...fine.

Say he feels fragile...fine.

Ugly? I have to assume you just don't like Megatron.

News Credits: 3 · by **Midnight_Fox** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:06 am

Counterpunch wrote:Ugly? I have to assume you just don't like Megatron.

I like the character fine. Hegemon looks like he's made of a series of blocky parts attached together. It's hard to explain, but I find the figure hideous. I also don't want a perfect interpretation of G1 figures for my Classics, I want updated, modern looking versions. Hegemon doesn't fit that for me.