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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby GuyIncognito » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:48 pm

Sabrblade wrote:If we're going to get so pedantic about piracy, then every single Decepticon who's ever stolen something has been a pirate.


No, that's not true. Only if they "sailed" around in a ship, raiding and robbing other ships. Otherwise, they're no more pirates than any burglar or mugger. It's not the robbing that defines a pirate; it's the method and the lifestyle.
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby craggy » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:49 pm

does he at least give Superman that plant that takes over his mind?
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby craggy » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:49 pm

GuyIncognito wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:If we're going to get so pedantic about piracy, then every single Decepticon who's ever stolen something has been a pirate.


No, that's not true. Only if they "sailed" around in a ship, raiding and robbing other ships. Otherwise, they're no more pirates than any burglar or mugger. It's not the robbing that defines a pirate; it's the method and the lifestyle.
and the alcohol content. although...engex here I suppose.
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Va'al » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:49 pm

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Also, Animated Bludgeon was meant to be either a samurai or..

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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Midnight_Fox » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:30 pm

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Sabrblade wrote: He wasn't "looting ships for their booty", he was raiding resources


That's exactly what pirates did. They raided other ships for their resources. Contrary to popular movies, pirates weren't seeking fortune; they were mostly seeking food and resources.


If you want to get REALLY technical, historically most pirates weren't pirates at all, they were privateers.
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:52 pm

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Midnight_Fox wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:
Sabrblade wrote: He wasn't "looting ships for their booty", he was raiding resources


That's exactly what pirates did. They raided other ships for their resources. Contrary to popular movies, pirates weren't seeking fortune; they were mostly seeking food and resources.


If you want to get REALLY technical, historically most pirates weren't pirates at all, they were privateers.


And buccaneers were government employed pirates IIRC.
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby craggy » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:53 pm

Va'al wrote:And syphilis. Don't forget syphilis.
Hmm.. space rust?

Also, Animated Bludgeon was meant to be either a samurai or..

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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Dr. Caelus » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:00 pm

GuyIncognito wrote:
Sabrblade wrote: He wasn't "looting ships for their booty", he was raiding resources


That's exactly what pirates did. They raided other ships for their resources. Contrary to popular movies, pirates weren't seeking fortune; they were mostly seeking food and resources.

A Samurai, on the other hand, is a high-ranking military class that served nobility.

If Bludgeon was sailing around space in a ship raiding other ships for resources, he was acting like a pirate, not a samurai.

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.


I cannot concur. At that point in time, Bludgeon was commander of the Decepticon army (assuming the position after Unicron's defeat), and his actions were strategic in nature. At that rate, Bludgeon's status would preclude him from fitting the given, romantic definition of a samurai, since no one outranks him (perhaps Shogun would be more appropriate?)

Of course, while privateers sailed in service of a nation during war (note that the designation of privateer vs. pirate is somewhat fluid), some pirates became powerful enough to rival nations themselves.

To my mind, Bludgeon doesn't fit either of those archetypes, though. As I recall, the Autobots routed the Decepticon army and scattered it after Bludgeon broke their truce, but no other truce was made - the Decepticons, almost fully under Bludgeon's command, were still formally at war with the Autobots, and began attacking, pillaging, and terrorizing third parties as part of their ongoing war with the Autobots, and overall dedication to conquest (I don't recall Bludgeon getting through a single page without using some derivation of the word "conquer" at least twice). For what it matters, I don't recall him raiding for currency or necessities, I only remember him raiding ships and planets for technology, weapons, and sheer bloody-minded tyrannical sadism.

So, in my opinion, not samurai, not pirate.

But... given his adherence to a brutal warrior ethos, and leadership of a formally-recognized (but nomadic) large military force stealing military resources and terrorizing the locals, I see some parallels to the Mongols.


Side Note - Many have already been mentioned, but I've had some thoughts about molds that might be used for Botcon:
Armada Demolisher (Eye Patch)
Armada Sea Minicon Team (Boats)
Energon Sharkticon (Boat)
Energon Slugslinger (Eye Patch)
Energon Mirage/Dreadwing (Boat)
Cybertron Shortround (Boat)
Cybertron Thunderblast (Boat)
Cybertron Dirtboss (Eye Patch)

Animated/Movie Lockdown (Hook Hand)
Movie Terradive/Space Case (Tridents)

The suggestion that the pirates all need to be animals is interesting, and I'd like to see a mock up of ThunderclashThundertron in Cannonball's colors, though I wonder if this could end up being a case of pirate vs. pirate - Cannonball's crew vs. Thunderclash'sThundertron's crew - instead of our usual Autobot vs. Decepticon?
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:13 pm

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Caelus wrote:I cannot concur. At that point in time, Bludgeon was commander of the Decepticon army (assuming the position after Unicron's defeat), and his actions were strategic in nature. At that rate, Bludgeon's status would preclude him from fitting the given, romantic definition of a samurai, since no one outranks him (perhaps Shogun would be more appropriate?)

Of course, while privateers sailed in service of a nation during war (note that the designation of privateer vs. pirate is somewhat fluid), some pirates became powerful enough to rival nations themselves.

To my mind, Bludgeon doesn't fit either of those archetypes, though. As I recall, the Autobots routed the Decepticon army and scattered it after Bludgeon broke their truce, but no other truce was made - the Decepticons, almost fully under Bludgeon's command, were still formally at war with the Autobots, and began attacking, pillaging, and terrorizing third parties as part of their ongoing war with the Autobots, and overall dedication to conquest (I don't recall Bludgeon getting through a single page without using some derivation of the word "conquer" at least twice). For what it matters, I don't recall him raiding for currency or necessities, I only remember him raiding ships and planets for technology, weapons, and sheer bloody-minded tyrannical sadism.

So, in my opinion, not samurai, not pirate.

But... given his adherence to a brutal warrior ethos, and leadership of a formally-recognized (but nomadic) large military force stealing military resources and terrorizing the locals, I see some parallels to the Mongols.
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Caelus wrote:Side Note - Many have already been mentioned, but I've had some thoughts about molds that might be used for Botcon:
Armada Demolisher (Eye Patch)
Armada Sea Minicon Team (Boats)
Energon Sharkticon (Boat)
Energon Slugslinger (Eye Patch)
Energon Mirage/Dreadwing (Boat)
Cybertron Shortround (Boat)
Cybertron Thunderblast (Boat)
Cybertron Dirtboss (Eye Patch)
Animated/Movie Lockdown (Hook Hand)
Movie Terradive/Space Case (Tridents)
Unicron Trilogy molds are a no go. As of 2013, the Club isn't using them anymore.

Caelus wrote:The suggestion that the pirates all need to be animals is interesting, and I'd like to see a mock up of Thunderclash in Cannonball's colors, though I wonder if this could end up being a case of pirate vs. pirate - Cannonball's crew vs. Thunderclash's crew - instead of our usual Autobot vs. Decepticon?
These pirates will more than likely be the Maraudicons rather than the Star Seekers since this is the Wings Universe rather than the Aligned continuity, so no need for beast-based pirates.

Also, why Thunderclash? He's a truck. And an Autobot Elite Guardsman (former, and if he's still alive, that is).
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Dr. Caelus » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:05 am

Sabrblade wrote:Unicron Trilogy molds are a no go. As of 2013, the Club isn't using them anymore.


Shucks. I was afraid that might be the case. It's unfortunate, because many of those molds are still good by current standards.

Sabrblade wrote:Also, why Thunderclash? He's a truck. And an Autobot Elite Guardsman (former, and if he's still alive, that is).


Thundertron, I meant Thundertron. #-o

"Thunderclash" is always what pops into my head when I think of the pirate captain because it comes with this mental image of a grand sword fight on the deck of a boarded ship in the midst of a fearsome squall.

Probably doesn't help that the actual name "Thundertron" sounds like the fanfic love child of Thundercracker and Megatron, and the actual character "Thunderclash" simply holds no significance in my mind.
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:21 pm

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Decides to revive this thread a bit given the revelation of the theme: Pirates vs. Knights!

And Cannonball will be the first reveal. This will be fun to guess, but I'm staying with either Prime Ratchet, Beast Hunters Ratchet or Arms Micron Breakdown (with the intended weapon). Given that Star Seekers have Beast Modes in-fiction, any Predacon or Beast Hunters mold is fair game for the Pirates, despite their recent use. Anyway, I'm calling either of these molds to be used:

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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Dr. Caelus » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:36 pm

Hmm... How would Dai Atlas's color scheme look on Simplified-Voyager Prime Predaking?

Edit: Also, I'll guess FoC Grimlock will be one of the Knights, given his sword and shield.
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:41 pm

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Caelus wrote:Hmm... How would Dai Atlas's color scheme look on Simplified-Voyager Prime Predaking?
That toy's too new for the Club to use.
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Dr. Caelus » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:59 pm

Transformers Animated Sentinel Prime? (With a not doofy Tick head?)
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:39 pm

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Let's see, sword-wielding figures from 2007 to today (minus molds the Club can't use) include:

Deluxe Animated Sentinel Prime
Deluxe Animated Samurai Prowl
Voyager Animated Grimlock
Leader Animated Megatron
Deluxe Animated Arcee
Deluxe Universe Dinobot
Voyager ROTF Bludgeon
Voyager ROTF Mindwipe
Deluxe Reveal the Shield (Laser) Optimus Prime
Deluxe Generations Cybertronian Bumblebee
Deluxe Generations Autobot Drift
Deluxe Generations Fall of Cybertron Ultra Magnus
Deluxe Generations Fall of Cybertron Air Raid
Voyager Generations Fall of Cybertron Grimlock
Voyager Generations Thrilling 30 Autobot Springer
Voyager Generations Thrilling 30 Blitzwing
Deluxe Generations GDO Autobot Springer
Voyager Prime First Edition Optimus Prime
Deluxe Prime Robots in Disguise Wheeljack
Deluxe Prime Robots in Disguise Ratchet
Voyager Prime Robots in Disguise Dreadwing
Voyager Prime Robots in Disguise Thundertron
Voyager Prime Beast Hunters Optimus Prime
Voyager Prime Beast Hunters Predaking
Voyager Prime Beast Hunters Sharkticon Megatron
Ultimate Prime Beast Hunters Beast Fire Predaking
Go! G01 Kenzan
Go! G02 Jinbu
Anyone armed with a sword-based Arms Micron :P


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Wheeljack Kunai
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Mkall » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:52 pm

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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Dr. Caelus » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:42 am

ROTF Bludgeon = Retool into Ultra Drift, Drift Magnus, ...?

Generations Thrilling 30 Springer = Knight of Cybertron Rodimus?



Curious... is there anything explicitly saying the exclusives can't include Constructbots?
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:58 am

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Caelus wrote:Curious... is there anything explicitly saying the exclusives can't include Constructbots?
They might be too new to use.

And I wouldn't imagine that they'd be that popular as full BotCon figures seeing how divisively received they currently are.
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:00 am

Motto: "The only good is knowledge, and the only evil is ignorance."
Sabrblade wrote:Let's see, sword-wielding figures from 2007 to today (minus molds the Club can't use) include:

Deluxe Animated Sentinel Prime
Deluxe Animated Samurai Prowl
Voyager Animated Grimlock
Leader Animated Megatron
Deluxe Animated Arcee
Deluxe Universe Dinobot
Voyager ROTF Bludgeon
Voyager ROTF Mindwipe
Deluxe Reveal the Shield (Laser) Optimus Prime
Deluxe Generations Cybertronian Bumblebee
Deluxe Generations Autobot Drift
Deluxe Generations Fall of Cybertron Ultra Magnus
Deluxe Generations Fall of Cybertron Air Raid
Voyager Generations Fall of Cybertron Grimlock
Voyager Generations Thrilling 30 Autobot Springer
Voyager Generations Thrilling 30 Blitzwing
Deluxe Generations GDO Autobot Springer
Voyager Prime First Edition Optimus Prime
Deluxe Prime Robots in Disguise Wheeljack
Deluxe Prime Robots in Disguise Ratchet
Voyager Prime Robots in Disguise Dreadwing
Voyager Prime Robots in Disguise Thundertron
Voyager Prime Beast Hunters Optimus Prime
Voyager Prime Beast Hunters Predaking
Voyager Prime Beast Hunters Sharkticon Megatron
Ultimate Prime Beast Hunters Beast Fire Predaking
Go! G01 Kenzan
Go! G02 Jinbu
Anyone armed with a sword-based Arms Micron :P


Speaking of which, sword-based and sword-like Arms Microns include:

R.A.
Gabu + Baru + Dai = Dark Matter Calibur
Wuji
Giza
L.P.
Bumblebee Sword
Arcee Blade
Wheeljack Kunai


Now you're scaring me there Sabrblade :lol: But should we really limit ourselves to swords? Other melee weapons are fair game IMO. In fact, Arms Micron Hades would be perfect as the obligatory "parrot".
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:20 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Now you're scaring me there Sabrblade :lol:
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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:But should we really limit ourselves to swords? Other melee weapons are fair game IMO. In fact, Arms Micron Hades would be perfect as the obligatory "parrot".
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby njb902 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:40 am

Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Now you're scaring me there Sabrblade :lol:
:???:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:But should we really limit ourselves to swords? Other melee weapons are fair game IMO. In fact, Arms Micron Hades would be perfect as the obligatory "parrot".
But he's a bat.


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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Va'al » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:50 am

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njb902 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Now you're scaring me there Sabrblade :lol:
:???:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:But should we really limit ourselves to swords? Other melee weapons are fair game IMO. In fact, Arms Micron Hades would be perfect as the obligatory "parrot".
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:59 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Now you're scaring me there Sabrblade :lol:
:???:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:But should we really limit ourselves to swords? Other melee weapons are fair game IMO. In fact, Arms Micron Hades would be perfect as the obligatory "parrot".
But he's a bat.


Hence "parrot" in parentheses. >:oP Then again, Gul or Baru would be better choices.
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- TR Twinferno & Grotusque
- Greenlight, Lancer and PotP Elita-1 (plus repro Victorion hands and feet?)
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Peridot » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:36 am

Motto: "The sea, it calls to me!"
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Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Now you're scaring me there Sabrblade :lol:
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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:But should we really limit ourselves to swords? Other melee weapons are fair game IMO. In fact, Arms Micron Hades would be perfect as the obligatory "parrot".
But he's a bat.


Hence "parrot" in parentheses. >:oP Then again, Gul or Baru would be better choices.


Or Thundertron's foot.
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Re: BotCon 2014 Figure Predictions/Ideas

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:19 am

Motto: "The only good is knowledge, and the only evil is ignorance."
Another question: should we limit ourselves to Animated, Prime and Generations molds exclusively? Some Beast Wars molds can also be used, as Ultra Mammoth and Thrustinator have shown. If anything, Transmetals 1 and 2 would be perfect.
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