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Re: Botcon and Scalpers

Postby Andrius » Tue May 01, 2012 4:07 pm

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Kung Fu Man wrote:Sadly he's right. Let's think about it: if you could buy them at the store from day one, even at a slightly higher price, then it negates the point of going to the convention at all if you're a toy collector and the rest doesn't matter to you. It's not a pleasant fact of the matter, but it is there.


The point of the convention is not supposed to be the toy exclusives, it's the guests, the dealer room, the panels, the dealer room...

I get that the exclusives should be available to convention goers, but why not offer them to order minus the FREE ATTENDEE FIGURE? Again, while I know they are meant to be souvenirs for the convention that is great, but let other members not able to attend the convention have a shot at pre-ordering. Otherwise, why sell non-attending packages? The boxset is supposed to be a convention exclusive too.


Exactly. I'm not opposed to convention exclusives, but they used to be a special bonus of attending, not the raison d'être.

And regarding exclusivity, I agree that that's the whole point of the free attendee figure and to a certain extent, the customizing class figure. But with non-attending packages available, it's clear that the general intention is for these figures to be a representation of the event as much as a site-specific purchase. If they sell 1500 sets at the event, offer the remainder at a 20% markup to club members through the TFCC website. Don't let such a huge portion of the supply go into the hands of a single dealer.
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Re: Botcon and Scalpers

Postby Andrius » Tue May 01, 2012 4:09 pm

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LiKwid wrote:Want to put a end to it? Go to botcon...

This. You guys are forgetting that they ARE selling to the fans. These are called souvenir sets for a reason. They are souvenirs for attending Botcon. They are made specifically for the event.
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That's exactly the point.

"Yeah, I wanna buy 100 souvenirs. Got a lot of happy memories, I guess."

I'm fine with the first line of the figures being sold at Botcon, that's fair enough. But by allowing people to buy up these large numbers of sets, the TFCC are literally guaranteeing that those fans who are not lucky enough to make it to Botcon will be paying inflated prices, and that extra money will be going into the hands of people who probably aren't even fans to begin with. Good for the Club, but bad for the fans.

The argument that these figures are meant to be for Botcon attendees is fair enough, if a little biased towards those fans who live in the States, and who live near enough to Botcon that it isn't a ridiculous proposition to go there. But if the Club knows that these scalpers will be distributing the figures to fans, why not do it themselves and earn a little fan goodwill as a bonus?

Yeah it's a risk, but fans are the lifeblood of a fanclub.



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Re: Botcon and Scalpers

Postby Delicon » Wed May 02, 2012 3:16 pm

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It's pretty hard to avoid scalping, no matter how FunPub handles it.

If you are serious about getting exclusives and not paying some mark-up without attending the show, the beat way around that is to ask a friend who is going to pick them up for you. A lot of Seibertronians couldn't make BotCon 2011 so they asked their friends in advance to snag them some sets.
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Re: Botcon and Scalpers

Postby It Is Him » Thu May 03, 2012 7:52 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:Scalpers are douchebags, but if people out there are dumb enough to pay, who am I to begrudge a douchebag his/her profit?


Yeah. What they're doing is offering a service to those who didn't attend. Who didn't stand in line for hours. Who didn't buy a $300 ticket package. Who didn't book a hotel or a flight.

100% markup? That's cool with me.
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Re: Botcon and Scalpers

Postby Sid Burn » Thu May 03, 2012 9:12 am

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speaking specifically about Almar_ent, the ebay seller selling all those botcon sets being discussed here.

he started all these auctions at 1 penny, and let the market (ie the collector community) dictate the value of these sets.

that seems a lot more fair than what Toy Arena or BBTS is doing by buying them up and setting a fixed price well above the issue price at botcon.

For my money, he is an asset, not a scalper, there are fans all around the world who want these but cannot attend the show.

starting auctions at essentially 0 and letting the bidders dictate the closing price isnt anything like a traditional scalper.
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Re: Botcon and Scalpers

Postby Andrius » Thu May 03, 2012 10:13 am

Sid Burn wrote:speaking specifically about Almar_ent, the ebay seller selling all those botcon sets being discussed here.

he started all these auctions at 1 penny, and let the market (ie the collector community) dictate the value of these sets.

that seems a lot more fair than what Toy Arena or BBTS is doing by buying them up and setting a fixed price well above the issue price at botcon.

For my money, he is an asset, not a scalper, there are fans all around the world who want these but cannot attend the show.

starting auctions at essentially 0 and letting the bidders dictate the closing price isnt anything like a traditional scalper.


That's fair. And I will acknowledge that he has nearly perfect feedback on eBay, so he must be doing something right.

As I've mentioned above, I accept that having to pay a premium after the fact to get something I missed out on is the nature of this hobby, to some extent. My biggest gripe was that this guy had control of more than 100 of these supposedly limited, supposedly exclusive items. I'm not sure if this is something FunPub directly facilitated or not -- perhaps the guy is just very industrious in his acquisitions -- but it smelled fishy to me. My ire is generally directed at FunPub, the purported "fan club", not at someone who successfully gamed the system.
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Re: Botcon and Scalpers

Postby LiKwid » Thu May 03, 2012 5:21 pm

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It Is Him wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Scalpers are douchebags, but if people out there are dumb enough to pay, who am I to begrudge a douchebag his/her profit?


Yeah. What they're doing is offering a service to those who didn't attend. Who didn't stand in line for hours. Who didn't buy a $300 ticket package. Who didn't book a hotel or a flight.

100% markup? That's cool with me.



^ This.....

Im tired of people who every year complain about not being able to get the figures they want for some reason or another. If somebody wants a figure bad enough, pony up the cash or go to the con like most of do. Stand in that grueling line and wait like the rest of us, don't blame the convention goers for prices being high../rant
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Re: Botcon and Scalpers

Postby mooncake623 » Fri May 04, 2012 2:46 pm

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Re: Botcon and Scalpers

Postby GuyIncognito » Fri May 04, 2012 2:52 pm

mooncake623 wrote:Thinking of getting the junkion set and the optimus and kick-over set. my question is should i just pay the prices they are asking for today? or wait a bit for things to die down maybe it'll be a little cheaper? I guess I want to know what everyone think their short term value will go up or down? i say short term not what they will be in 4 5 years.

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If you wait, you'll probably pay more, not less. Right now there are a lot of them on the market. As time goes on, many will be bought by collectors who are going to stash them away in their collections. The supply will shrink much faster than the demand. And if any of the collectors who are buying them now decide to sell them later, they'll want to make a profit, so they'll sell them for more than they paid.

After years of collecting I've learned that prices only go up, not down, ESPECIALLY for exclusives, and if there's something you want, you'd better buy it now or you'll regret it later.
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Re: Botcon and Scalpers

Postby LiKwid » Sat May 05, 2012 6:14 pm

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mooncake623 wrote:Thinking of getting the junkion set and the optimus and kick-over set. my question is should i just pay the prices they are asking for today? or wait a bit for things to die down maybe it'll be a little cheaper? I guess I want to know what everyone think their short term value will go up or down? i say short term not what they will be in 4 5 years.

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Pick which one you want the most and get it now.. You will pay more later if you wait. For example, look at the botcon 08 sets..those things go for $1000's now..
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