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Postby Saber Prime » Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:54 am

I'm just wondering what everyone's opinions on this is.

As you all know whenever something gets made into a movie it changes from it's source material. What I want to know is how much of a change do you actully find acceptable?

I know alot might say there should be no changes from the source material but lets say there has to be at least 1 change from the original version. How much of a change would be acceptable. This could mean anything from a character changing from having hazel eyes in the original to having blue eyes in the new version or something as big as the person is germaphobic in the original but now he's a slob.
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Postby kjeevah » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:01 am

what a bizarre question

people dont make changes based on amagical changes-quota, an acceptable amoutn of changes is an amount of changes that improves something, translates it effectgively to the big screen, and doesnt **** it up,simple as that
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Postby Bluebullet » Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:07 am

The only change I can accept is Megatron being a jet. I just wish the jet wasn't the definition of suck.
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Postby Bottom Out » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:08 pm

so far i think the movie has not made any unacceptable changes to the TFs. the only thing thats sort of on a thinline with me is how they made starscream into a big ogre type bot. i wouldnt mind if they just had him as an f16 in this movie rather than the f22.
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Postby dragons » Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:59 pm

starscreeams face now that megatron face has been fixed up to look better.

...whats everyone problem with megatron jet mode didint megatron change into a jet type in cybertron and energon of transformers i knwo he did in ROBOTS IN DISGUISE series
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Postby Bluebullet » Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:20 pm

dragons wrote:starscreeams face now that megatron face has been fixed up to look better.

...whats everyone problem with megatron jet mode didint megatron change into a jet type in cybertron and energon of transformers i knwo he did in ROBOTS IN DISGUISE series

I'd be fine with the jet mode if it didn't look like crap.
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Postby Shadowman » Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:27 pm

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Bluebullet wrote:
dragons wrote:starscreeams face now that megatron face has been fixed up to look better.

...whats everyone problem with megatron jet mode didint megatron change into a jet type in cybertron and energon of transformers i knwo he did in ROBOTS IN DISGUISE series

I'd be fine with the jet mode if it didn't look like crap.


Do you understand the meaning of "Broken Record?"

Becasue it's what you're starting to sound like.

In this forum, have you made any other post that isn't brainlessly bashing the designs?
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Postby Bluebullet » Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:31 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
dragons wrote:starscreeams face now that megatron face has been fixed up to look better.

...whats everyone problem with megatron jet mode didint megatron change into a jet type in cybertron and energon of transformers i knwo he did in ROBOTS IN DISGUISE series

I'd be fine with the jet mode if it didn't look like crap.


Do you understand the meaning of "Broken Record?"

Becasue it's what you're starting to sound like.

In this forum, have you made any other post that isn't brainlessly bashing the designs?

I agreed with AK in one recent thread. If you call that brainless bashing, then you're insulting AK too. I wouldn't be bashing the movie so much if Bay&Co had made the movie right. Most of my bashings aren't brainless, either. If something looks poorly thought out and terrible(movie "Megatron"), a person doesn't need to think much to bash it, do they?

BTW, is there any topic where you won't bash me for bashing the movie?
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Postby Shadowman » Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:50 pm

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Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
dragons wrote:starscreeams face now that megatron face has been fixed up to look better.

...whats everyone problem with megatron jet mode didint megatron change into a jet type in cybertron and energon of transformers i knwo he did in ROBOTS IN DISGUISE series

I'd be fine with the jet mode if it didn't look like crap.


Do you understand the meaning of "Broken Record?"

Becasue it's what you're starting to sound like.

In this forum, have you made any other post that isn't brainlessly bashing the designs?

I agreed with AK in one recent thread. If you call that brainless bashing, then you're insulting AK too. I wouldn't be bashing the movie so much if Bay&Co had made the movie right. Most of my bashings aren't brainless, either. If something looks poorly thought out and terrible(movie "Megatron"), a person doesn't need to think much to bash it, do they?

BTW, is there any topic where you won't bash me for bashing the movie?


When have I done that? I've kept my mouth shut about your (Somewhat creative) movie bashings.

And, save that agreement with AK (Who probably wasn't just bashing, but making a good point [EDIT: I take that back]), you've used a few different words (Commonly "Crap") for the same thing.

And that, my good sir, is a broken record.

And one more thing: What would've made the movie "Right"? Keep in mind, anything too similar to the cartoon is the wrong answer.
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Postby Bluebullet » Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:06 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
dragons wrote:starscreeams face now that megatron face has been fixed up to look better.

...whats everyone problem with megatron jet mode didint megatron change into a jet type in cybertron and energon of transformers i knwo he did in ROBOTS IN DISGUISE series

I'd be fine with the jet mode if it didn't look like crap.


Do you understand the meaning of "Broken Record?"

Becasue it's what you're starting to sound like.

In this forum, have you made any other post that isn't brainlessly bashing the designs?

I agreed with AK in one recent thread. If you call that brainless bashing, then you're insulting AK too. I wouldn't be bashing the movie so much if Bay&Co had made the movie right. Most of my bashings aren't brainless, either. If something looks poorly thought out and terrible(movie "Megatron"), a person doesn't need to think much to bash it, do they?

BTW, is there any topic where you won't bash me for bashing the movie?


When have I done that? I've kept my mouth shut about your (Somewhat creative) movie bashings.

And, save that agreement with AK (Who probably wasn't just bashing, but making a good point), you've used a few different words (Commonly "Crap") for the same thing.

And that, my good sir, is a broken record.

And one more thing: What would've made the movie "Right"? Keep in mind, anything too similar to the cartoon is the wrong answer.

Human faces, for starters. No flames on Prime. Megatron to LOOK like a Transformer instead of a creature from the black lagoon. Starscream to look like Starscream. Ironhide to be red. Different head, hands, and color for Ratchet. Frenzy to not look like a TV antennae. Jazz to not have a faceplate. No "battle modes". No "Protoform comets". No spikey metal shards everywhere on the bodies. The Transformers to have certain scenes near the beginning. Megatron to not be a vampire. Finally, to be without the "All the Transformers are evil" theme(Everything the allspark brings to life in the movie is evil and attacking people). None of these things would've hurt the movie, but Michael Bay thinks the Transformers are spikey, unintellegent, inhuman insects who like to kill army men.
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Postby Saber Prime » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:22 pm

To be more spacific with my question I'll use examples from other movies.

Spider-man was a change from the source material but all that really changed about him was he no longer has mechanical web shooters. That's acceptible to me.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy however took Zaphod and removed everything about him that I liked. Not acceptible!

In my mind from everything I've heard about this movie so far Transformers is going down the Hitchhiker's guide path and removing everything I liked about the original Transformers.
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Postby Shadowman » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:42 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:To be more spacific with my question I'll use examples from other movies.

Spider-man was a change from the source material but all that really changed about him was he no longer has mechanical web shooters. That's acceptible to me.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy however took Zaphod and removed everything about him that I liked. Not acceptible!

In my mind from everything I've heard about this movie so far Transformers is going down the Hitchhiker's guide path and removing everything I liked about the original Transformers.


Like what? The cheesy '80s kids show plots?

Or the characters, which are kept mostly intact?
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Postby Bluebullet » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:49 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:To be more spacific with my question I'll use examples from other movies.

Spider-man was a change from the source material but all that really changed about him was he no longer has mechanical web shooters. That's acceptible to me.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy however took Zaphod and removed everything about him that I liked. Not acceptible!

In my mind from everything I've heard about this movie so far Transformers is going down the Hitchhiker's guide path and removing everything I liked about the original Transformers.


Like what? The cheesy '80s kids show plots?

Or the characters, which are kept mostly intact?

Sure, Megatron was ALWAYS a vampire.
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Postby Shadowman » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:51 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:To be more spacific with my question I'll use examples from other movies.

Spider-man was a change from the source material but all that really changed about him was he no longer has mechanical web shooters. That's acceptible to me.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy however took Zaphod and removed everything about him that I liked. Not acceptible!

In my mind from everything I've heard about this movie so far Transformers is going down the Hitchhiker's guide path and removing everything I liked about the original Transformers.


Like what? The cheesy '80s kids show plots?

Or the characters, which are kept mostly intact?

Sure, Megatron was ALWAYS a vampire.


Beast Machines. He stole sparks there, too.

C'mon, man. You think when they make an adaptation, they only take from one source?
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Postby Bluebullet » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:52 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:To be more spacific with my question I'll use examples from other movies.

Spider-man was a change from the source material but all that really changed about him was he no longer has mechanical web shooters. That's acceptible to me.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy however took Zaphod and removed everything about him that I liked. Not acceptible!

In my mind from everything I've heard about this movie so far Transformers is going down the Hitchhiker's guide path and removing everything I liked about the original Transformers.


Like what? The cheesy '80s kids show plots?

Or the characters, which are kept mostly intact?

Sure, Megatron was ALWAYS a vampire.


Beast Machines. He stole sparks there, too.

C'mon, man. You think when they make an adaptation, they only take from one source?

BM Megs ABSORBED sparks. Movie Megs rippes them out of transformers' carcasses and eats them with his mouth.
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Postby Shadowman » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:59 pm

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Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:To be more spacific with my question I'll use examples from other movies.

Spider-man was a change from the source material but all that really changed about him was he no longer has mechanical web shooters. That's acceptible to me.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy however took Zaphod and removed everything about him that I liked. Not acceptible!

In my mind from everything I've heard about this movie so far Transformers is going down the Hitchhiker's guide path and removing everything I liked about the original Transformers.


Like what? The cheesy '80s kids show plots?

Or the characters, which are kept mostly intact?

Sure, Megatron was ALWAYS a vampire.


Beast Machines. He stole sparks there, too.

C'mon, man. You think when they make an adaptation, they only take from one source?

BM Megs ABSORBED sparks. Movie Megs rippes them out of transformers' carcasses and eats them with his mouth.


I fail to see the difference. They both take sparks into their bodies for their own gain.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:01 pm

I'm fine with changes that were made to adapt it to the medium. Updating the alt modes is fine. Practically everything Bay and the magazine articles have been saying 'the fans are upset with', I'm fine with.

What I'm not okay with are tha changes that were made simply for style purposes or simply to make the story work. Optimus being a complete flamer. Megatron and Starscream's appearances.

-SPOILERS-

Bumblebee being a mute. Cybertron having exploded. Spike being renamed. Magic glasses. A cube that turns electronic devices into mini robots (how's that for 'realism'?). Spark eating. The Decepticons being inherently evil 'creatures of chaos'. Comet modes.

-END SPOILERS-

Instead of a film about the established characters and canon we expect to see in a Transformers film it's as if they wrote a film about 2 factions of a warring alien race coming to Earth and then took bits and pieces of Transformers, twisted them, and pasted them into the script. I know it's been said a million times before but it's true: if not for the names and Optimus Prime being recognizable this could just as easily be a Go-Bots movie.
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Postby Bluebullet » Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:15 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:To be more spacific with my question I'll use examples from other movies.

Spider-man was a change from the source material but all that really changed about him was he no longer has mechanical web shooters. That's acceptible to me.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy however took Zaphod and removed everything about him that I liked. Not acceptible!

In my mind from everything I've heard about this movie so far Transformers is going down the Hitchhiker's guide path and removing everything I liked about the original Transformers.


Like what? The cheesy '80s kids show plots?

Or the characters, which are kept mostly intact?

Sure, Megatron was ALWAYS a vampire.


Beast Machines. He stole sparks there, too.

C'mon, man. You think when they make an adaptation, they only take from one source?

BM Megs ABSORBED sparks. Movie Megs rippes them out of transformers' carcasses and eats them with his mouth.


I fail to see the difference. They both take sparks into their bodies for their own gain.

But BM Megs wasn't the Decepticon Megs, therefore different characters. Also, Transformers is aimed at kids. Movie "Megatron" defacing a body by tearing open a Transformers chest and eating their "heart" or "soul" isn't Megatron at all and was added for no reason. Plus a ton of parents won't let their kids buy or watch Transformers after that R performance. If you claim the movie "megatron"'s act of violent R-rated vamirism is pulled directly from any Transformers series or storyline, let alone any version of Megatron, then you need to re-watch every TV show and re-read every comic.
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Postby Fender Bender » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:47 pm

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Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:To be more spacific with my question I'll use examples from other movies.

Spider-man was a change from the source material but all that really changed about him was he no longer has mechanical web shooters. That's acceptible to me.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy however took Zaphod and removed everything about him that I liked. Not acceptible!

In my mind from everything I've heard about this movie so far Transformers is going down the Hitchhiker's guide path and removing everything I liked about the original Transformers.


Like what? The cheesy '80s kids show plots?

Or the characters, which are kept mostly intact?

Sure, Megatron was ALWAYS a vampire.


Beast Machines. He stole sparks there, too.

C'mon, man. You think when they make an adaptation, they only take from one source?

BM Megs ABSORBED sparks. Movie Megs rippes them out of transformers' carcasses and eats them with his mouth.


I fail to see the difference. They both take sparks into their bodies for their own gain.

But BM Megs wasn't the Decepticon Megs, therefore different characters. Also, Transformers is aimed at kids. Movie "Megatron" defacing a body by tearing open a Transformers chest and eating their "heart" or "soul" isn't Megatron at all and was added for no reason. Plus a ton of parents won't let their kids buy or watch Transformers after that R performance. If you claim the movie "megatron"'s act of violent R-rated vamirism is pulled directly from any Transformers series or storyline, let alone any version of Megatron, then you need to re-watch every TV show and re-read every comic.


Movie Megatron is G1 Megatron and G1 Ratbat combined. :P
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Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:39 pm

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Bluebullet wrote:But BM Megs wasn't the Decepticon Megs, therefore different characters. Also, Transformers is aimed at kids. Movie "Megatron" defacing a body by tearing open a Transformers chest and eating their "heart" or "soul" isn't Megatron at all and was added for no reason. Plus a ton of parents won't let their kids buy or watch Transformers after that R performance. If you claim the movie "megatron"'s act of violent R-rated vamirism is pulled directly from any Transformers series or storyline, let alone any version of Megatron, then you need to re-watch every TV show and re-read every comic.


In Armada, Wheeljack shot Hot Shot at point blank range.

In Rebirth, Daniel got seriously effed up by one of the Decepticons, and almost died.

In RiD, Galvatron tried to kill every child on the planet.

And you're mad because Megatron is doing spark extraction?
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Postby Bluebullet » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:20 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:But BM Megs wasn't the Decepticon Megs, therefore different characters. Also, Transformers is aimed at kids. Movie "Megatron" defacing a body by tearing open a Transformers chest and eating their "heart" or "soul" isn't Megatron at all and was added for no reason. Plus a ton of parents won't let their kids buy or watch Transformers after that R performance. If you claim the movie "megatron"'s act of violent R-rated vamirism is pulled directly from any Transformers series or storyline, let alone any version of Megatron, then you need to re-watch every TV show and re-read every comic.


In Armada, Wheeljack shot Hot Shot at point blank range.

In Rebirth, Daniel got seriously effed up by one of the Decepticons, and almost died.

In RiD, Galvatron tried to kill every child on the planet.

And you're mad because Megatron is doing spark extraction?

Point blank isn't that bad. A shot anywhere in Transformers is fine. Daniel wasn't brutally mauled. I haven't been able to find all of the RID episodes, but I'm sure he didn't plan to rip out their hearts and eat them. Movie "Megatron" isn't doing "spark extraction", he's ripping open Transformers and eating them with his mouth. Nothing you listed is a bad as that.
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Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:04 pm

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Bluebullet wrote:But BM Megs wasn't the Decepticon Megs, therefore different characters. Also, Transformers is aimed at kids. Movie "Megatron" defacing a body by tearing open a Transformers chest and eating their "heart" or "soul" isn't Megatron at all and was added for no reason. Plus a ton of parents won't let their kids buy or watch Transformers after that R performance. If you claim the movie "megatron"'s act of violent R-rated vamirism is pulled directly from any Transformers series or storyline, let alone any version of Megatron, then you need to re-watch every TV show and re-read every comic.


In Armada, Wheeljack shot Hot Shot at point blank range.

In Rebirth, Daniel got seriously effed up by one of the Decepticons, and almost died.

In RiD, Galvatron tried to kill every child on the planet.

And you're mad because Megatron is doing spark extraction?

Point blank isn't that bad. A shot anywhere in Transformers is fine. Daniel wasn't brutally mauled. I haven't been able to find all of the RID episodes, but I'm sure he didn't plan to rip out their hearts and eat them. Movie "Megatron" isn't doing "spark extraction", he's ripping open Transformers and eating them with his mouth. Nothing you listed is a bad as that.


It really only counts as "Bad" if there's blood. I don't think Transformers bleed.
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Postby Bluebullet » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:12 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Bluebullet wrote:But BM Megs wasn't the Decepticon Megs, therefore different characters. Also, Transformers is aimed at kids. Movie "Megatron" defacing a body by tearing open a Transformers chest and eating their "heart" or "soul" isn't Megatron at all and was added for no reason. Plus a ton of parents won't let their kids buy or watch Transformers after that R performance. If you claim the movie "megatron"'s act of violent R-rated vamirism is pulled directly from any Transformers series or storyline, let alone any version of Megatron, then you need to re-watch every TV show and re-read every comic.


In Armada, Wheeljack shot Hot Shot at point blank range.

In Rebirth, Daniel got seriously effed up by one of the Decepticons, and almost died.

In RiD, Galvatron tried to kill every child on the planet.

And you're mad because Megatron is doing spark extraction?

Point blank isn't that bad. A shot anywhere in Transformers is fine. Daniel wasn't brutally mauled. I haven't been able to find all of the RID episodes, but I'm sure he didn't plan to rip out their hearts and eat them. Movie "Megatron" isn't doing "spark extraction", he's ripping open Transformers and eating them with his mouth. Nothing you listed is a bad as that.


It really only counts as "Bad" if there's blood. I don't think Transformers bleed.

Knowing how bad this movie is, they probably will.
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Postby Saber Prime » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:36 pm

1. Where does it say anywhere that Cybertron no longer exsists in the movie? Suposidly it was in the leaked script but I didn't see anything in there where it said "Cybertron blew up"

2. Megatron's spark eating was an idea taken from Beast Machines Megatron, there's no difference.

3. Spark eating isn't nearly as bad as killing Bambie's mother or all the sexual refrences I've seen being made in kids movies. (Mulan comes to mind.)

4. From what I read out of the script movie Starscream is nothing like any other Starscream. There's nothing in there to indicate he wants to be the leader of the Decepticons.

Bumblebee, the only thing that's the same about him is he's yellow and he spends the most time with Spike. Everything elce about his character, his overall look, his personality, ect. are all different.

I don't care that he's a Camero insted of a VW that doesn't really change his character any. What does change his character is he looks like Robospion and can't speak.

Movie Starscream and Bumblebee are about as much like their G1 selfs as Energon Ironhide is to G1 Ironhide. (G1 Ironhide being allmost as old as Optimus Prime and in just as many battles and Energon Ironhide being a teenage rookie Optimus Prime barely even notices)

The movie Transformers are just as screwed up as Zaphod. I wouldn't even be suprised if the person who came up with the idea for Zaphod's flip head allso did the movie designs for the Transformers.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:44 pm

Saber Prime wrote:The movie Transformers are just as screwed up as Zaphod. I wouldn't even be suprised if the person who came up with the idea for Zaphod's flip head allso did the movie designs for the Transformers.


Just so you know, that very well could have been Douglas Adams himself. He worked closely with the production staff and wrote the screenplay himself (which is why so many people were shocked at how much it deviated from the novel and television mini-series).
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #105 - Megatronus
Twincast / Podcast #105:
"Megatronus"
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Posted: Sunday, November 23rd, 2014