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Postby Predaprince » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:59 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:2. Megatron's spark eating was an idea taken from Beast Machines Megatron, there's no difference.


BM Megatron does NOT eat sparks. He removes them and imprisons them because they represent the individualism of TFs that he dislikes. That is a lot different than being a spark vampire that needs to eat sparks to survive.
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Postby Bluebullet » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:01 pm

Predaprince wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:2. Megatron's spark eating was an idea taken from Beast Machines Megatron, there's no difference.


BM Megatron does NOT eat sparks. He removes them and imprisons them because they represent the individualism of TFs that he dislikes. That is a lot different than being a spark vampire that needs to eat sparks to survive.

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Postby D-340 » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:18 pm

Meh, it really doesn't bother me much. The TF's story has been story has been changed so much, it just seems inevitable. I'm not happy with Meg's and Screamer's designs, but if they work on film I'm sold.

On the Megatron debate, he seems like a very violent version of his BM self. So yeah, I can see him eating sparks instead of just absorbing them.
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Postby Myriagon » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:24 pm

Bluebullet wrote:The only change I can accept is Megatron being a jet. I just wish the jet wasn't the definition of suck.


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Postby Head Shot » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:44 am

I'm fine with alot of the things the magazines have said the fans have complained about. The flames on prime don't bother me because the two colors they used were red and blue, prime's famous colors.

I don't have a problem with megatron not being a gun. I just wish that the jet they picked for him to be wasn't so bad looking, and would have rather seen him as a tank, and retain alittle bit of his blockyness, while still having complicated parts on him.

I'm totally fine with updates to alt modes, as long as they make sense. For instance: bumblebee from a vw bug, to a helicopter is something I'd be against, however in this movie he's still a yellow car, just not a vw bug, so thats okay.

I'm totally fine with changes to the characters appearance as long as a large portion still resembles them. For instance: every character from g1 as they were portrayed in the Warwithin Series. That was great, because they still very much so looked like their g1 counterparts, but at the same time had a whole new look to them. Very well executed I must say.

:-x Heres what I can't stand:

-Starscreams bot mode (honestly that thing isn't screamer, its BM waspinator, or just a vehicular update to waspinator)

-bumblebee being a mute (wtf is the purpose of this? dumbest idea I've heard in awhile)

-A large portion of movie meg's design. sure they've improved it a few times, but it just doesn't sit well with me as a tf design.

-The vampire thing with megatron. Kinda lame, seriously, robo-dracula. Think about it...

-ironhide not being red (but oh well, this one isn't all that bad, and I can understand why they went with a different color. At least his design is pretty decent)

-Rachet's face, and colors. Seriously, this guy is a squished and mangled tennis ball. Give me that other rachet design we saw instead. Much better looking.

-scorponok. sure he'll make for some awesome scenes in the movie, but I just don't understand how a helicopter and a scorpion go together. Plus scorponok is supposedly just a drone? Eh, interesting, but why not make him an actual character?

-Frenzy. I probably don't even need to describe how ****** this design is let alone, how easy it would be for him to die in the movie. Seriously... he's practically as thin as a twig.

and thats about the major things I dislike. I'll admit I would have liked to see another g1 movie, but I also understand some of the reasons why it wouldn't work very well. (At some point though, I'd sorta like to see another tf movie made from a cartoon. Hell how awesome would it be to see a beast wars movie? Just a thought :D )
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Postby Saber Prime » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:53 pm

Obviously you didn't see all of Beast Machines. Yes he does eat Sparks, I watched that entire series, you sound like you only watched the first season. :lol:
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Postby Saber Prime » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:04 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:The movie Transformers are just as screwed up as Zaphod. I wouldn't even be suprised if the person who came up with the idea for Zaphod's flip head allso did the movie designs for the Transformers.


Just so you know, that very well could have been Douglas Adams himself. He worked closely with the production staff and wrote the screenplay himself (which is why so many people were shocked at how much it deviated from the novel and television mini-series).


They been working on that project for alot of years before it finnally came out into a crap movie then because Douglas Adams died long before the finished product ever came out.

I need to go find my Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to find out exactly what year he died but I'm sure he wasn't even alive to see most of the movie being made.

Even if all the changes were in fact his idea 100% that would actully make me feel worse about the movie because that means it's own creator ruined it.

That would be like Stan Lee rewrighting Spider-man himself so that his webs will now come out his butt and his suit is made from tarantula hair.
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Postby Shadowman » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:10 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:
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Saber Prime wrote:The movie Transformers are just as screwed up as Zaphod. I wouldn't even be suprised if the person who came up with the idea for Zaphod's flip head allso did the movie designs for the Transformers.


Just so you know, that very well could have been Douglas Adams himself. He worked closely with the production staff and wrote the screenplay himself (which is why so many people were shocked at how much it deviated from the novel and television mini-series).


They been working on that project for alot of years before it finnally came out into a crap movie then because Douglas Adams died long before the finished product ever came out.

I need to go find my Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to find out exactly what year he died but I'm sure he wasn't even alive to see most of the movie being made.

Even if all the changes were in fact his idea 100% that would actully make me feel worse about the movie because that means it's own creator ruined it.


Nope, the whole story with Humma Kavula and the POV Gun were Adams' ideas. He actually wrote Humma Kavula specifically for John Malcovich.

He died in 2001, by the way.
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Postby NightFall » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:41 pm

Wait, hold up...Starscream's face was fixed?? He doesn't look like a monkey orge? :shock:

Not trying to be funny, I kept hearing this, but I see nothing changed.
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Postby Predaprince » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:10 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:Obviously you didn't see all of Beast Machines. Yes he does eat Sparks, I watched that entire series, you sound like you only watched the first season. :lol:


Then, where in the series does it show BM Megs eating sparks?

He holds them captive even at the very last episode of the series.
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Postby Riotflea » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:51 pm

My "unacceptable changes":

-Things like Optimus & Bumblebee, though different, are fine. Everyone else... how HARD would it've been to retain their initial colors? It's not rocket science. It's only as complex as being able to pick crayons out of a box.

-Starscream looks like pure ass.

-Starscream, judging by the script, has NO character resemblance to the original Starscream.

-Frenzy is just garbage on every level AND no resemblance to the G1 character.

-NO SOUNDWAVE, even though he was the OTHER guy in the Decepticon triangle of G1. (Megs, Starscream, Soundwave).

-The goofy "comedy" wasn't all over the place in each G1 episode. It didn't work in Godzilla's script, and it won't work here. Sad that an AFTER-SCHOOL CARTOON is overall "more serious" than a $150,000,000 live action movie.

-The cartoon was cool because the main characters the viewer had to connect with WEREN'T humans. This movie is the opposite and proud of it.

-This movie not only doesn't start off on Cybertron, but Cybertron is supposedly GONE. >__<

-MOST of the guys don't look like their old selves, even remotely.

-Most of the guys don't have the same roles they did before.


The makers of this movie were NOT fans of Transformers, and it's been insulting to me that it was initially stated they were as such.

Luckily though, through more interviews and such, their own words betray them.

And really, look how LITTLE the list above there is.
Why, ...why it's MINISCULE!
And yet, all those slap-in-the-face-obvious points were SOMEHOW missed.
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Postby Saber Prime » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:28 pm

Predaprince wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Obviously you didn't see all of Beast Machines. Yes he does eat Sparks, I watched that entire series, you sound like you only watched the first season. :lol:


Then, where in the series does it show BM Megs eating sparks?

He holds them captive even at the very last episode of the series.
The verry last episode of the series Megatron makes a copy of the Primal Prime body without the beast mode and him and optimus fight to the death. I mean literally, they both die.

I'd have to look it up to find out the exact episode but it's durring the time that Megatron is a gient floating head.
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Postby Predaprince » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:33 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:
Predaprince wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Obviously you didn't see all of Beast Machines. Yes he does eat Sparks, I watched that entire series, you sound like you only watched the first season. :lol:


Then, where in the series does it show BM Megs eating sparks?

He holds them captive even at the very last episode of the series.
The verry last episode of the series Megatron makes a copy of the Primal Prime body without the beast mode and him and optimus fight to the death. I mean literally, they both die.

I'd have to look it up to find out the exact episode but it's durring the time that Megatron is a gient floating head.


The floating head sucks up the sparks like a vacuum cleaner and puts them inside the container. He doesn't consume the sparks like the way that Unicron consumed planets for energy.
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Postby D-340 » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:43 am

Actually he did consume sparks in BM. I'll have to get back to with this specific ep., but when he was a spark inside the giant head he consumed one. Then as Optimal Megatron in the last ep., he started to consume the sparks, then after he and Primal bought it, they were released. I just got done watching the whole series just recently, so I hope that helps.
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Postby Mechanurgist » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:51 pm

I liked the changes made to the TFs in Beast Wars because they retained the personalities of the characters (and introduced new ones). The form is irrelevant, it's the personality that counts, and judging by what little I have seen the personalities of some of the new movie TFs are really screwed up. Mute Bumblebee? That "sidekick transformer" couldn't stop talking in the tv series. Lovable, wet-behind-the-ears sidekick was his persona, not the fact that he was a volkswagen beetle.

Beast Machines also had a darker, more mature edge that I find unsuitable for Tranformers, which is essentially a fun robots-fistfighting kid's show. I'm afraid that's the direction the movie went in and it might make for a good action blockbuster but it won't make for a great Transformers movie.
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