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[Venomous Prime]

Class of 99's cover of Another Brick in the Wall is so much better

Linkie?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISoH0oh7XLo

wow, the quality of the sound is a little off. Next time I'm on MSN i'll send you the song

Layne Staley>>>Jon Davis

I have the album that song is off, and it's not only neck and neck with Korn's Another Brick in the Wall set as best Pink Floyd cover EVAR, but it is easily the best song on that album, and by proxie (cuase I dont know any other Kittie stuff) the best song Kittie has ever done!

Class of 99's cover of Another Brick in the Wall is so much better!

and about scalping, has the question about whether someone has a full team or not been answered?

It seems like every kill I get is from someone who doesn't have 12 members

In that situation, my answer would be to kill the whole team, and then enough additional kills on the team to make 12 kills.

Alright, thanks

[Loki God Of Mischief]

Never mind. I have no further interst in the endeavor of bounty hunting. This is yet another way to exclude the Predacon and Maximal players. As it is at least 3-4 times harder for us to land an entire team from another faction as it is for the Bots and Cons. Combine that with people getting them right off the bat for their past deeds instead of having a fair challenge for everyone. If mission logs that no longer exist would count then every action Predacon player would be a Bounty Hunter several times over from wiping out Autobot players and teams by the handfuls.

[Mogwai Prime]

Consider this my application as a hunter. I'll be editing this until I'm accepted just so I can publicly keep track of who I'm killing. I'm a showboat like that. Anyway this won't be every kill I make. Just the ones on worthy foes. No one under my level will be counted. So don't take offense, I don't want to clutter this list with weaklings.

I highly recommend that you read the rules concerning qualification as a hunter. You will save yourself a lot of work posting and editing if you do this.

On a side note I know that there are plenty of people that want to be hunters. Trying to make the people running the tourney conform to your wants will probably not work. Please follow the guidelines laid out by the Tournament Rules.

[Name_Violation]

Never mind. I have no further interst in the endeavor of bounty hunting. This is yet another way to exclude the Predacon and Maximal players. As it is at least 3-4 times harder for us to land an entire team from another faction as it is for the Bots and Cons. Combine that with people getting them right off the bat for their past deeds instead of having a fair challenge for everyone. If mission logs that no longer exist would count then every action Predacon player would be a Bounty Hunter several times over from wiping out Autobot players and teams by the handfuls.

yeah the odds are against us but whatever. if i cant do it within a few days i'll slag the idea myself. the hardest part is to get people to throw EVERY bot in a pred mission. i've noticed most people have 1 or 2 they won't fight us with. While it would have been nice to start fresh and let us know we're trying out for this before hand , just so i could claim a few kills since the reset without searching tens of mission logs and tracking down individuals teams, stuff happens.

whatever, if i get it I get it, if i don't then I'll complainbut probably only to myself so the mods don't get all upset

It does seem like it would be fun to do but the smaller factions are getting the shaft imho.

Oh well doesn't hurt to try

[Burn]

Oh for fudge sakes.

How about you two stop your crying long enough and maybe post some alternatives? You know, something that might actually HELP?
Oh no! I've done gone and gotten all upset!

[Absolute Zero]

Oh for fudge sakes.

How about you two stop your crying long enough and maybe post some alternatives? You know, something that might actually HELP?
Oh no! I've done gone and gotten all upset!

Actually, it was agreed that there should be a special tournie/hunt for the first batch of licenses, not just handing them out to whomever scalps a full twelve of anyone, which is why I was under the impression it was going to be going off the individual scores in Tammuz's hunt (since you know, Psychout kinda said something like yes when asked about that on the thread in the tournie forum), then after that, you had to scalp twelve members of a already licensed hunters team.

[Name_Violation]

Oh for fudge sakes.

How about you two stop your crying long enough and maybe post some alternatives? You know, something that might actually HELP?
Oh no! I've done gone and gotten all upset!

if there WERE any alternative id do it, but the mods have decided thats how its going to be done so i'm trying my darnedist. does any one else have an idea?

how about we start an illegal bounty hunting crew and put ourselves on the line? we gotta pay going scalp rates on ourselves if you can take us out while in the process of collecting a bounty? i mean my liscence to drive has been revoked, but my car still starts and when i got caught drivin i got a ticet so whats stopping us from collecting bounties without a liscence with the penalty we'd have to pay a fine? you just gotta catch us but its still an option

we're just trying to have some fun without buerocracy getting in the way

[Burn]

And obviously the plan changed.

Now, you can continue to live in the past and cry about things, OR, you could actually offer up some suggestions on how to help out those in the smaller factions.

if there WERE any alternative id do it, but the mods have decided thats how its going to be done so i'm trying my darnedist. does any one else have an idea?

Wow, thank you so much for basically saying the Mods aren't open to changes.

The fact that I even asked means what to you exactly then?

[Psychout]

Oh for fudge sakes.

How about you two stop your crying long enough and maybe post some alternatives? You know, something that might actually HELP?
Oh no! I've done gone and gotten all upset!

Actually, it was agreed that there should be a special tournie/hunt for the first batch of licenses, not just handing them out to whomever scalps a full twelve of anyone, which is why I was under the impression it was going to be going off the individual scores in Tammuz's hunt (since you know, Psychout kinda said something like yes when asked about that on the thread in the tournie forum), then after that, you had to scalp twelve members of a already licensed hunters team.

Yes, that hunt was the scalphunt that Tammuz organised.

I had it all sorted with T that the game would pick up when the hunt was over, but the log wipe **** it all up, so I moved the schedule forwards to try and keep you all playing. I awarded a licence to neliz for his collection of Reds team (as I cross checked it personally when it was finished) to kick the game off with a bang, and I awarded GS a licence as he had already collected a full team since the log wipe.
Anyone else who completes a team will get the same when they apply.

Yes, its changed from the original plan but I had no choice. To publicly announce 2 days after its started that you wont be joining in is a bit hasty dont you think?

Just because the game has changed slightly does not mean you are being excluded. Besides, as it currently stands, even if the log wipe didnt happen no one apart from maybe Electron qualifies for a licence, even you still only have 10 (edit:sorry 11) of psychomuds team.

Any other ideas we had for awarding them now cant be used as you guys have caused so much of a fuss. Did it not occur to you to contact us privately about this?


Yes, this is my screw-up, I had to move fast and you guys have blocked me. So, where do we go now?

[Loki God Of Mischief]

And obviously the plan changed.

Now, you can continue to live in the past and cry about things, OR, you could actually offer up some suggestions on how to help out those in the smaller factions.

if there WERE any alternative id do it, but the mods have decided thats how its going to be done so i'm trying my darnedist. does any one else have an idea?

Wow, thank you so much for basically saying the Mods aren't open to changes.

The fact that I even asked means what to you exactly then?

Perfect solution:

Nuke the Predacon and Maximal factions. Then reintegrate them with their "main" faction. Why am I of all people advocating this? Seeing as how I'm a major player in the Preds and I'd be barely a blip in the Cons?

Simply put the Secondary factionss aren't viable. We're practically a secondary class here. We had to beg for the option for new players to choose our sides when they start. Those that did still don't have board access, so co-ordination is an exercise in frustration and futility. It really says something when one of the Predacon Mods doesn't even have access to the Predacon forums. If the staff won't even support the existence of the secondary factions and the rules for this game went from achievable for the best of each faction to just everyone from the Bots and Cons only well that's **** up.

There's no way it's not. And to be honest this is probably the first time I'm close to losing my cool about something here. So I'm just going to walk away from the forums before I get myself a warning.

Here's a real challenge for you though. I'd lay a wager on the fact that there won't be more then 5 Maximals AND Predacons that make the cut within the next two weeks. I'll leave it up to the rest of the Predacons or Maximals to prove me wrong. But by my estimation you'll have 10 Autobots/Decepticons by the end of the week.

Yeah and here's the other thing. If Electron's the only one that should qualify for a license why does he not have one? And why do other people have them? Like I said earlier. If people want to prove my point wrong let them. But I won't be doing it.

[Burn]

If the staff won't even support the existence of the secondary factions

We don't do what now?

and the rules for this game went from achievable for the best of each faction to just everyone from the Bots and Cons only well that's **** up.

Here's the thing, I went back and re-read that 10 page discussion regarding ideas for implementing this bounty hunting scheme. 10 pages of which YOU participated.

There was only ever ONE mention (from Psychout) of what would be required to obtain a license (a 12 team claim). Not one person cottoned onto that little fact and discussed it.

So again I ask, if 12 members of a team is too difficult, what WOULD be a good criteria for the Beast factions?

I mean come on guys, i'm asking for your feedback here and i've gotten nothing but snide remarks bordering on insults and threats of walking away.

You want the staff to help you? Then help us to help you! We could change things up, but it may not work and then we'd be met with even more crying from you guys. So give us your suggestions so we can work something out for this Bounty Hunting scheme.
(And amalgamating the factions isn't an option)

[Loki God Of Mischief]

If the staff won't even support the existence of the secondary factions

We don't do what now?

and the rules for this game went from achievable for the best of each faction to just everyone from the Bots and Cons only well that's **** up.

Here's the thing, I went back and re-read that 10 page discussion regarding ideas for implementing this bounty hunting scheme. 10 pages of which YOU participated.

There was only ever ONE mention (from Psychout) of what would be required to obtain a license (a 12 team claim). Not one person cottoned onto that little fact and discussed it.

So again I ask, if 12 members of a team is too difficult, what WOULD be a good criteria for the Beast factions?

I mean come on guys, i'm asking for your feedback here and i've gotten nothing but snide remarks bordering on insults and threats of walking away.

You want the staff to help you? Then help us to help you! We could change things up, but it may not work and then we'd be met with even more crying from you guys. So give us your suggestions so we can work something out for this Bounty Hunting scheme.
(And amalgamating the factions isn't an option)

Get used to 90% Bot and Con Bounty Hunters then.

[Psychout]

Loki, if you don't want to compete we wont force you.

I'm sorry you are upset at how I initiated this game, but under the circumstances there was little else I could do. I have explained my actions and will not do so again.

If you do fancy joining in at any point you will always be welcome, as will any player of HMW regardless of faction, but for now let the hunt continue...

[Absolute Zero]

Is it really that hard to see a simple solution? And no, this isn't spam or flaming/trolling.

1st: Why the rush?
2nd: Big deal the logs got wiped. It's not that bad actually. It's not "Oh my god! The world's going to end! Get to the bomb shelters!" The logs being wiped shouldn't matter.
3rd: The solution is so simple, I'm actually kind of surprised no one else has posted it.

If a special hunt was to determine who got a license and who didn't, then why not just run a special hunt for the licenses? 7 day spree. Top 3 killers of each faction gets a license. I'm only suggesting on the numbers, 7 is a full week, and 3x4=12, which is a full team. I like numbers that relate to something else, and I think it's fair to all four factions to be represented.

For rules, I'd either go with only signed up people count, or, since not all hunters really give a damn about colateral damage, all kills count. If it's only sign-up kills that count, I suggest counting arena kills too, since hunters may be required to stalk their prey into the arena, they should have to show their prowess in one on one battles as well.

Now, where's my cookie.

And not for the part of this not related and me replying is kinda like playing a brit in CoD. Annoying as hell. Laggy arse bastardos.

If the staff won't even support the existence of the secondary factions

We don't do what now?

and the rules for this game went from achievable for the best of each faction to just everyone from the Bots and Cons only well that's **** up.

Here's the thing, I went back and re-read that 10 page discussion regarding ideas for implementing this bounty hunting scheme. 10 pages of which YOU participated.

There was only ever ONE mention (from Psychout) of what would be required to obtain a license (a 12 team claim). Not one person cottoned onto that little fact and discussed it.

I couldn't be arsed to go read through 10 pages of posts while I was shooting british children in their faces, what's up with them anyway? Letting little girls (or atleast they sounded like little girls) playing a M rated game. Don't you guys have standards? Shouldn't they be at school by now too?

Back on track! If you're going to reference something, you need to reference it in context, and not just pull part of it out. I expect better from you Burn. If I recall correctly, and I normally do, Psychout said the second+ round of licenses would be awarded to those who scalped the entire team of licensed hunters. Which is fair, I think, and balanced. Yes, Preds and Maximals will have a hard time scalping a full Bot or Con team, however, there'd be no issues between the two really. The numbers are a little closer (I believe it's 2:1 for Maxies, opposed to 5:1 for Bot vs Pred). It also gives you a specific target, instead of say me going and scalping a team full of level 0s with no upgrades. Just going "Scalp any 12 members of any team" is going to make actually playing the game a chore and a half for anyone who actually wants a license. They'd have to make their own threads tracking each and every kill from every single mission, trying to find out who they got and if they've gotten any one else from that team before. Does that sound fun to you?

[Psychout]

Oh sure, Im off for New Years in 10 mins so you chose now to suggest the brilliant idea?

7 day spree. Top 3 killers of each faction gets a license.

I totally love this idea, but how about we make it the top 33% of each faction's members that enter, rounded up? (i.e. if 12 cons sign up, 4 licences will be available... ) That way it remains proportional and it gives you smaller guys the incentive to sign up more of your faction...?
Just a thought.

Ill leave the for the floor to discuss whilst I'm away though, just keep it pleasant please - were all here to play the same game...

Don't you guys have standards? Shouldn't they be at school by now too?

Nah, they'd only burn it down.

[Absolute Zero]

Oh sure, Im off for New Years in 10 mins so you chose now to suggest the brilliant idea?

7 day spree. Top 3 killers of each faction gets a license.

I totally love this idea, but how about we make it the top 33% of each faction's members that enter, rounded up? (i.e. if 12 cons sign up, 4 licences will be available... ) That way it remains proportional and it gives you smaller guys the incentive to sign up more of your faction...?
Just a thought.

Ill leave the for the floor to discuss whilst I'm away though, just keep it pleasant please - were all here to play the same game...

I spent most of the day shooting people in the face. Sometimes with a tank. Sorry.

Don't you guys have standards? Shouldn't they be at school by now too?

Nah, they'd only burn it down.

Only if you let them have the molitovs. Save those for when Manchester U loses to uh... Latvia. OH! Robonia! They'd totally kick your soccer team's arses.

[Burn]

It's started, leave it as it is. People just need to get over the fact that log wipes happened and plans changed.

What needs to be done however is monitoring of those licensed to ensure they're active and not using it as some "Yay look at me i'm a Bounty Hunter!" and not actually do any hunting.

Oh and I don't see why it would be a chore for someone to track 12 kills of any target they want to.

Most people look at their logs, see who they face on a regular basis, pick a regular target, and here's the amazing thing ... USE NOTEPAD! No need for a thread! Every time you bag yourself a target, open up the text file, add it in, and when you have all twelve, post 'em up!

Unless I missed the rule that we have to publicly display our tracking, in which case, BOOOOOOO!

[Archanubis]

Here's a question that's probably been answered, but I'm too lazy to go sifting through the pages to find it.

Since the scalp hunt is nearly over, does a prospective hunter get a liscense if he completes a bounty that's been posted by another player?

[Absolute Zero]

Ok... I deffinetly have to go to bed. The first time I, I forgot the point of the reply. The second time I accidently closed the entire window apparently. 3rds the charm eh?

Psychout: I think a 3rd is fair, since it assures equal representation of all 3 factions. It should make everyone happy. Either way, we need more Maximals to participate. With 3 per faction, Psychomud and Rapheal (the only maximal participants in Tam's hunt) would both be assured one no matter how they did. At a 3rd of the active partipants getting one per faction... 2/3rds of one of them would get a license.

Assuming I get up in time, I can post something up to try to drum up beasty participation. Right now, it's 6:30 AM and I should get to bed. I got a busy night drinking a head of me.

Almost did a booboo and double posted this...

It's started, leave it as it is. People just need to get over the fact that log wipes happened and plans changed.

What needs to be done however is monitoring of those licensed to ensure they're active and not using it as some "Yay look at me i'm a Bounty Hunter!" and not actually do any hunting.

Oh and I don't see why it would be a chore for someone to track 12 kills of any target they want to.

Most people look at their logs, see who they face on a regular basis, pick a regular target, and here's the amazing thing ... USE NOTEPAD! No need for a thread! Every time you bag yourself a target, open up the text file, add it in, and when you have all twelve, post 'em up!

Unless I missed the rule that we have to publicly display our tracking, in which case, BOOOOOOO!

Some of us face a lot of the same faces regularly. I see Nickolai and Neliz and Rat Convoy and Sustain is missions pretty consistantly along with another 2 dozen people. That's a lot of time spent checking logs and keeping track of everything.

[Raphael Prime]

If all I have to do is do what GS did and post a team link and say, "I've killed them all." Then by now, I've killed all of The Pack In the last week alone I've killed 10 members of it.

Raphael Prime's team has felt my wrath, as has Nickolai's, and all of the other low level Autobots that were sacrifised to the Predacons so that Denny didn't have to face Loki/Merc.

Actually only Fanga has. You've gotten a total of 5 of my guys since the scalphunt started(getting Fanga like 3 times though). While i've gotten 7 different of you bots.

Anyway, i would like a quick and official clarification please, as i think i've read a few different opinions; Do pre-log-wipe claims in the scalphunt count towards the license or not? I'm fine with either way, if they do or not.

[Loki God Of Mischief]

In other words Burn because **** happened and a bunch of whiny bitches got hairs up their asses about it you had to shut them up with token prizes. Perfectly understandable. You're mods, you're here to keep the peace. But don't insult our intelligence by acting like that's not the reason you gave the two biggest crybabies a reward about baaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwing over the wipe.

Then when the people that have to earn them get pissy about it the story's basically "Hey **** you. Sorry about your luck. You should have whined a little more earlier."

Add to that the Bounty Hunter titles were supposed to be earned and therefore mean something. That's the actual reason I'm refusing to apply for them now. Why in the **** should I have to work my ass off to get a hollow title? Because in my opinion as it stands the Bounty Hunter title went from being something worth getting to a meaningless award.

AZ comes up with a great idea that's fair to everyone. Pyschout likes it. You **** all over it. Why? Because the same whiny douche bags who raised such a stink in the first place would get epicly butthurt over it. I really had wanted to just walk away before I typed all of this. Because there's no way in hell I'm not getting a warning for speaking my mind now. But seriously this community needs to harden the **** up and stop being soft dicks and start being hard *****.

tl;dr Be a whiny pussy and get a reward for it. Mediocrity is the American way now! Participation prizes for everyone so no gets their feelings hurt.

And yes Raphael those non existant logs must count towards the license. Because otherwise the two token licenses given out (stressing "given") don't count. So they have to count.

[Darth Trader]

In other words Burn because **** happened and a bunch of whiny bitches got hairs up their asses about it you had to shut them up with token prizes. Perfectly understandable. You're mods, you're here to keep the peace. But don't insult our intelligence by acting like that's not the reason you gave the two biggest crybabies a reward about baaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwing over the wipe.

Then when the people that have to earn them get pissy about it the story's basically "Hey **** you. Sorry about your luck. You should have whined a little more earlier."

Add to that the Bounty Hunter titles were supposed to be earned and therefore mean something. That's the actual reason I'm refusing to apply for them now. Why in the **** should I have to work my ass off to get a hollow title? Because in my opinion as it stands the Bounty Hunter title went from being something worth getting to a meaningless award.

AZ comes up with a great idea that's fair to everyone. Pyschout likes it. You **** all over it. Why? Because the same whiny douche bags who raised such a stink in the first place would get epicly butthurt over it. I really had wanted to just walk away before I typed all of this. Because there's no way in hell I'm not getting a warning for speaking my mind now. But seriously this community needs to harden the **** up and stop being soft dicks and start being hard *****.

tl;dr Be a whiny pussy and get a reward for it. Mediocrity is the American way now! Participation prizes for everyone so no gets their feelings hurt.

And yes Raphael those non existant logs must count towards the license. Because otherwise the two token licenses given out (stressing "given") don't count. So they have to count.

You're rather comical... You explicitly stated that you feel that YOU should be granted a license based on "past conquests alone":

I'm as tough as they come. And I'm feared and respected by all four factions. I may not land 12 kills on a single opponent before the time's up. But I punked an opponent out with mere words. He was finished before the fight started. An entire faction quakes with fear whenever I join the battle, because they know I'm as formidable a foe as they'll see in a day's time. I should gain entry on past conquests alone. A true warrior needs no special test to prove his mettle. His actions should speak for him. Mine scream for me.

Personally, I've not seen you do anything except talk smack about what a bada$$ you are.

Now, you choose to directly attack people to make up for your own inadequacies. I'm more than happy to re-apply for my license if there's any doubt. I'll earn mine again...will you ever earn yours?

At what point will you finally be BANNED I wonder?

[Jeep?]

In other words Burn because **** happened and a bunch of whiny bitches got hairs up their asses about it you had to shut them up with token prizes. Perfectly understandable. You're mods, you're here to keep the peace. But don't insult our intelligence by acting like that's not the reason you gave the two biggest crybabies a reward about baaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwing over the wipe.

Then when the people that have to earn them get pissy about it the story's basically "Hey **** you. Sorry about your luck. You should have whined a little more earlier."

Add to that the Bounty Hunter titles were supposed to be earned and therefore mean something. That's the actual reason I'm refusing to apply for them now. Why in the **** should I have to work my ass off to get a hollow title? Because in my opinion as it stands the Bounty Hunter title went from being something worth getting to a meaningless award.

AZ comes up with a great idea that's fair to everyone. Pyschout likes it. You **** all over it. Why? Because the same whiny douche bags who raised such a stink in the first place would get epicly butthurt over it. I really had wanted to just walk away before I typed all of this. Because there's no way in hell I'm not getting a warning for speaking my mind now. But seriously this community needs to harden the **** up and stop being soft dicks and start being hard *****.

tl;dr Be a whiny pussy and get a reward for it. Mediocrity is the American way now! Participation prizes for everyone so no gets their feelings hurt.

And yes Raphael those non existant logs must count towards the license. Because otherwise the two token licenses given out (stressing "given") don't count. So they have to count.

You're rather comical... You explicitly stated that you feel that YOU should be granted a license based on "past conquests alone":

I'm as tough as they come. And I'm feared and respected by all four factions. I may not land 12 kills on a single opponent before the time's up. But I punked an opponent out with mere words. He was finished before the fight started. An entire faction quakes with fear whenever I join the battle, because they know I'm as formidable a foe as they'll see in a day's time. I should gain entry on past conquests alone. A true warrior needs no special test to prove his mettle. His actions should speak for him. Mine scream for me.

Personally, I've not seen you do anything except talk smack about what a bada$$ you are.

Now, you choose to directly attack people to make up for your own inadequacies. I'm more than happy to re-apply for my license if there's any doubt. I'll earn mine again...will you ever earn yours?

At what point will you finally be BANNED I wonder?

Sorry, I thought I'd made my position clear. We have moderators for a reason - so that we don't have everyone asserting their opinion as law. Loki, I'm keeping my eye on you from here on in. Galvatron, you've been reprimanded before, so consider this an official warning. Now both of you shut up and stop flaming and trolling everyone. This thread's being locked, if someone wants to start a new one, I will issue warnings for every single breach of conduct that happens in it. We're trying to make this game more fun for people, not to breed spite. Stop being ignorant chocolate-smeared children.