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by **Hotrodimust** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:25 am

Gauntlet101010 wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
Hotrodimust wrote:
GuyIncognito wrote:Shouldn't this be reported to eBay?

No because the seller is telling you in his listing that it's a KO

You really could report it, though. After the big KO purge a few years back people began to list things as "remake" or "china reissue" to avoid being taken down outright by being overly honest and calling their stuff a KO.

But why do it when it comes down to it it's someone trying to make a living and he's being honest about what he's selling. I'm a seller on eBay and I can't count how many times someone buys my item without reading the description. It's the stupid that make things so difficult

Well, no argument from me on that point.

Lol

News Credits: 3 · by **Kibble** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:51 pm

Rated X wrote::lol:

If your gonna knock off a figure, why waste plastic KO'ing cheap retail figures ??? How about knocking off something thats a little bit more rare...

I have no idea why as it's a mediocre figure, but this thing is/was selling for over $100 MISB and around $100 even loose. I just so happened to have an extra that I couldn't unload for $20 a year ago...then somehow it became a highly desired fig and I listed it on eBay for $20 w/ free shipping...bastard sold for $112. Thanks to all the people that passed when I was trying to unload it for cheap

I shoulda sold my own loose copy before the KO was released, too.

by **punishandenslave** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:04 am

Have just recieved a HA Barricade for $40 on ebay. Since I have the original Hasbro version, I can safely say, there is absolutely no difference in packaging or toy quality. Boxes are identical in colour and size. All writings, trademarks ect are exactly how they should be. Barcode is exact. Plastic quality is the same. No loose parts. Frenzy same. If it is indeed a ko (which the price suggests), it's damn, damn good! In fact, I'm 100% sure that the original manufacturer, Hasbro, would not be able to tell you which was which. It may be an original. Stolen stock? Who knows?
But just because it's cheap.....it ain't a clear ko.

News Credits: 668 · by **Autobot032** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:16 am

punishandenslave wrote:Have just recieved a HA Barricade for $40 on ebay. Since I have the original Hasbro version, I can safely say, there is absolutely no difference in packaging or toy quality. Boxes are identical in colour and size. All writings, trademarks ect are exactly how they should be. Barcode is exact. Plastic quality is the same. No loose parts. Frenzy same. If it is indeed a ko (which the price suggests), it's damn, damn good! In fact, I'm 100% sure that the original manufacturer, Hasbro, would not be able to tell you which was which. It may be an original. Stolen stock? Who knows?
But just because it's cheap.....it ain't a clear ko.

Hmm. That's really bad news, then. Have to wonder, then...are they stolen legit items, or just that good? Perplexing turn of events...

News Credits: 1 · by **Gauntlet101010** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:19 am

One way to tell if it shares an identical mold is to try and parts swap. Often, while it may seem identical in hand a bit of parts swapping shows things don't measure up completely.

by **thetoytycoon** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:22 am

I gonna buy the Barricade... Fake or KO.. Who cares ?

by **punishandenslave** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:48 am

Gauntlet101010 wrote:One way to tell if it shares an identical mold is to try and parts swap. Often, while it may seem identical in hand a bit of parts swapping shows things don't measure up completely.

Part swap is fine. Just recieved another reputed ko and a loose original HA Barricade. I'm now fully convinced that these are NOT ko's! Everything is identical and fits perfectly. I'm going with either "fell off the back of a truck" stock or plain and simple overstock. I'd be more worried about collectors paying $100 plus for a HA Barricade! Rediculous. It's not rare, and never was made in limited numbers. It is by no means a "Limited Edition"!

by **punishandenslave** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:52 am

punishandenslave wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:One way to tell if it shares an identical mold is to try and parts swap. Often, while it may seem identical in hand a bit of parts swapping shows things don't measure up completely.

Part swap is fine. Just recieved another reputed ko and a loose original HA Barricade. I'm now fully convinced that these are NOT ko's! Everything is identical and fits perfectly. I'm going with either "fell off the back of a truck" stock or plain and simple overstock. I'd be more worried about collectors paying $100 plus for a HA Barricade! Rediculous. It's not rare, and never was made in limited numbers. It is by no means a "Limited Edition"!

Same goes for HA Soundwave and Sideswipe. Will let you know on others I get

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Like blackunicron79 on Facebook · by **blackunicron79** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:09 am

Hi,
I am from the Netherlands and i want to buy 2 reasonably cheap human alliance figures Sideswipe and Barricade, together they cost 90 euro's but here in the Netherlands we don't pay as much for the expensive figures. My question is if there is a way of finding the difference between the original and the KO because i don't want to be ripped off.

Thanks.

News Credits: 10 · by **Agamemnon** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:24 am

blackunicron79 wrote:Hi,
I am from the Netherlands and i want to buy 2 reasonably cheap human alliance figures Sideswipe and Barricade, together they cost 90 euro's but here in the Netherlands we don't pay as much for the expensive figures. My question is if there is a way of finding the difference between the original and the KO because i don't want to be ripped off.
Thanks.

First of all, welcome! I'm not sure if we actually do this anymore, but I always loved it:

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(I'm one, by the way.)

In looking at this thread, perusing threads in other forums, and looking at some pictures, there may not really be a way tell the difference, even with both in hand. The speculation has been that maybe the units are overstock from Has/Tak or perhaps stolen. The other option is that the KO is so good as to be indistinguishable from the original.

If this latter is true, it is the one thing I really hate about KOs. To me, a KO should be obvious, poorer quality, and noted by some packaging cue. Something like this, if not real, becomes a counterfeit. It is pretending to be the real thing to fool people into believing that it is the real thing. KOs, when obvious make be feel queasy. KOs that are made to look just like the original to fool people who want the original make me mad. (I had an issue with Encore Metroplex a number of years ago when I got one that appeared to be a KO and the store I bought from got snippy with me.)

So, now that I went on for a novel, the short answer is that it may not be possible to tell the difference. It may come down to just how much you want the figure. If you are not going to keep him MISB and just want to play with him, then it may not matter much. If you plan on keeping him or selling him at a later time? Then it makes it more of a risk.

Heck, I have MISB Leadfoot and Baracade that I was hoping to sell at some point here coming up. With these KOs about, I may never get top value for mine. I know I bought them from Target on clearance. But any buyers would have to trust me, and that's hard to do on the Internets...